Re: [zfs-discuss] Question - does a snapshot of root include child

2007-12-22 Thread Ross
True, we're already planning to take advantage of ZFS quotas at work. That alone will mean 100+ filesystems as we'll have one for each user. While there are some disadvantages to the quota management I'm used to, overall management of ZFS quotas looks very simple, and the ability to roll back

Re: [zfs-discuss] Question - does a snapshot of root include child

2007-12-21 Thread Ross
Looking into this further, it looks like this be available in build 77, with zfs snapshot -r a new zfs send -r feature: http://www.opensolaris.org/jive/thread.jspa?messageID=163689 http://www.opensolaris.org/os/community/arc/caselog/2007/574/

Re: [zfs-discuss] Question - does a snapshot of root include child

2007-12-21 Thread Ross
Flexible is right. I knew Unix / Linux traditionally make it possible to do a lot from the command line, but having never used them I'd just assumed they were basically very similar to windows, but with a whole load of extra overhead because of all the commands you had to learn. But after

Re: [zfs-discuss] Question - does a snapshot of root include child

2007-12-21 Thread Richard Elling
Ross wrote: Flexible is right. I knew Unix / Linux traditionally make it possible to do a lot from the command line, but having never used them I'd just assumed they were basically very similar to windows, but with a whole load of extra overhead because of all the commands you had to

Re: [zfs-discuss] Question - does a snapshot of root include child

2007-12-21 Thread Robin Bowes
Ross wrote: It's so far taken about a day to work out ZFS, Samba (and SWAT), vi, bash and SSH. Try b78 - it's got the new native CIFS (SMB) server. And it's integrated with zfs, so you can create a windows-accessible share as easily as: zfs create -o sharesmb=name=sharename poolname/zfsname

Re: [zfs-discuss] Question - does a snapshot of root include child

2007-12-20 Thread Philip
The recursive option creates a separate snapshot for every child filesystem, making backup management more difficult if there are many child filesystems. The ability to natively create a single snapshot/backup of an entire ZFS hierarchy of filesystems would be a very nice thing indeed.

Re: [zfs-discuss] Question - does a snapshot of root include child

2007-12-20 Thread Ross
Aye, that's what I was hoping for. Since ZFS seems to support nesting filesystems, I was hoping that each filesystem would contain the others, so a snapshot of the root filesystem would also be a snapshot of the others. I'm still not sure if that's the case or not, it could be that -r just

Re: [zfs-discuss] Question - does a snapshot of root include child

2007-12-20 Thread Rob Logan
I've only started using ZFS this week, and hadn't even touched a Unix welcome to ZFS... here is a simple script you can start with: #!/bin/sh snaps=15 today=`date +%j` nuke=`expr $today - $snaps` yesterday=`expr $today - 1` if [ $yesterday -lt 0 ] ; then yesterday=365 fi if [ $nuke -lt 0

Re: [zfs-discuss] Question - does a snapshot of root include child

2007-12-20 Thread Richard Elling
Ross wrote: Aye, that's what I was hoping for. Since ZFS seems to support nesting filesystems, I was hoping that each filesystem would contain the others, so a snapshot of the root filesystem would also be a snapshot of the others. IMHO, a file system is created only when you need to

Re: [zfs-discuss] Question - does a snapshot of root include child filesystems?

2007-12-19 Thread Mark J Musante
On Wed, 19 Dec 2007, Ross wrote: The title says it all really, we'll be creating one big zpool here, with many sub filesystems for various systems. Am I right in thinking that we can use snapshots of the root filesystem to take a complete backup of everything? I believe what you're

Re: [zfs-discuss] Question - does a snapshot of root include child filesystems?

2007-12-19 Thread Richard Elling
Ross wrote: The title says it all really, we'll be creating one big zpool here, with many sub filesystems for various systems. Am I right in thinking that we can use snapshots of the root filesystem to take a complete backup of everything? This question doesn't really make sense. But