Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS performance using slices vs. entire disk?

2006-08-03 Thread Jeff Bonwick
ZFS will try to enable write cache if whole disks is given. Additionally keep in mind that outer region of a disk is much faster. And it's portable. If you use whole disks, you can export the pool from one machine and import it on another. There's no way to export just one slice and leave

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS performance using slices vs. entire disk?

2006-08-03 Thread Jeff Bonwick
is zfs any less efficient with just using a portion of a disk versus the entire disk? As others mentioned, if we're given a whole disk (i.e. no slice is specified) then we can safely enable the write cache. One other effect -- probably not huge -- is that the block placement algorithm is most

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS performance using slices vs. entire disk?

2006-08-03 Thread Darren Reed
Jeff Bonwick wrote: is zfs any less efficient with just using a portion of a disk versus the entire disk? As others mentioned, if we're given a whole disk (i.e. no slice is specified) then we can safely enable the write cache. With all of the talk about performance problems due to

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS performance using slices vs. entire disk?

2006-08-03 Thread Jeff Bonwick
With all of the talk about performance problems due to ZFS doing a sync to force the drives to commit to data being on disk, how much of a benefit is this - especially for NFS? It depends. For some drives it's literally 10x. Also, if I was lucky enough to have a working prestoserv card

[zfs-discuss] StorEdge 9970V + ZFS +Fiber +Load balancing

2006-08-03 Thread Pierre Klovsjo
Greetings all, I have been given the task of playing around with ZFS and a StorEdge 9970 (HDS 9970) disk array. This setup will be duplicated into a production system later with zones as well. Since i am new to ZFS and big storage array's such as the 9970 i have a few thoughts/questions that

[zfs-discuss] Re: Clones and rm -rf

2006-08-03 Thread Tom Simpson
Well, You're spot on. Turns out that our datacentre boys change the umask of root to 0027. :-( This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS performance using slices vs. entire disk?

2006-08-03 Thread Jasse Jansson
On Aug 3, 2006, at 8:17 AM, Jeff Bonwick wrote: ZFS will try to enable write cache if whole disks is given. Additionally keep in mind that outer region of a disk is much faster. And it's portable. If you use whole disks, you can export the pool from one machine and import it on another.

Re: [zfs-discuss] System hangs on SCSI error

2006-08-03 Thread Darren Reed
Patrick Petit wrote: Hi, Using a ZFS emulated volume, I wasn't expecting to see a system [1] hang caused by a SCSI error. What do you think? The error is not systematic. When it happens, the Solaris/Xen dom0 console keeps displaying the following message and the system hangs. *Aug 3

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS performance using slices vs. entire disk?

2006-08-03 Thread Rainer Orth
Robert Milkowski [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Additionally keep in mind that outer region of a disk is much faster. So if you want to put OS and then designate rest of the disk for application then probably putting ZFS on a slice beginning on cyl 0 is best in most scenarios. This has the

Re: [zfs-discuss] System hangs on SCSI error

2006-08-03 Thread Patrick Petit
Darren Reed wrote: Patrick Petit wrote: Hi, Using a ZFS emulated volume, I wasn't expecting to see a system [1] hang caused by a SCSI error. What do you think? The error is not systematic. When it happens, the Solaris/Xen dom0 console keeps displaying the following message and the system

Re: [zfs-discuss] StorEdge 9970V + ZFS +Fiber +Load balancing

2006-08-03 Thread Torrey McMahon
Path failover is not handled by ZFS. You would use mpxio, or other software, to take care of path failover. Pierre Klovsjo wrote: Greetings all, I have been given the task of playing around with ZFS and a StorEdge 9970 (HDS 9970) disk array. This setup will be duplicated into a production

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS performance using slices vs. entire disk?

2006-08-03 Thread Darren Dunham
And it's portable. If you use whole disks, you can export the pool from one machine and import it on another. There's no way to export just one slice and leave the others behind... I got the impression that the export command exported the contents of the pool, not the underlying

[zfs-discuss] Re: Clones and rm -rf

2006-08-03 Thread Anton B. Rang
I'd filed 6452505 (zfs create should set permissions on underlying mountpoint) so that this shouldn't cause problems in the future This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS performance using slices vs. entire disk?

2006-08-03 Thread Jasse Jansson
On Aug 3, 2006, at 5:14 PM, Darren Dunham wrote: And it's portable. If you use whole disks, you can export the pool from one machine and import it on another. There's no way to export just one slice and leave the others behind... I got the impression that the export command exported the

Re: [zfs-discuss] Re: Clones and rm -rf

2006-08-03 Thread Darren Reed
Anton B. Rang wrote: I'd filed 6452505 (zfs create should set permissions on underlying mountpoint) so that this shouldn't cause problems in the future 6238072 might also be of interest. Darren ___ zfs-discuss mailing list

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS performance using slices vs. entire disk?

2006-08-03 Thread Joseph Mocker
Ahh, interesting information. Thanks folks, I'm have a better understanding of this now. --joe Jeff Bonwick wrote: is zfs any less efficient with just using a portion of a disk versus the entire disk? As others mentioned, if we're given a whole disk (i.e. no slice is specified) then

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS performance using slices vs. entire disk?

2006-08-03 Thread Marion Hakanson
Folks, I realize this thread has run its course, but I've got a variant of the original question: What performance problems or anomalies might one see if mixing both whole disks _and_ slices within the same pool? I have in mind some Sun boxes (V440, T2000, X4200) with four internal drives.

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS performance using slices vs. entire disk?

2006-08-03 Thread Joseph Mocker
Eric Schrock wrote: On Thu, Aug 03, 2006 at 10:24:12AM -0700, Marion Hakanson wrote: zpool create mirror c0t2d0 c0t3d0 mirror c0t0d0s5 c0t1d0s5 Is this allowed? Is it stupid? Will performance be so bad/bizarre that it should be avoided at all costs? Anybody tried it? Yes, it's

Re: [zfs-discuss] Re: [Fwd: [zones-discuss] Zone boot problems after installing patches]

2006-08-03 Thread George Wilson
Apologies for the internal URL, I'm including the list of patches for the everyone's benefit: sparc Patches * ZFS Patches o 118833-17 SunOS 5.10: kernel patch o 118925-02 SunOS 5.10: unistd header file patch o 119578-20 SunOS 5.10: FMA Patch o

[zfs-discuss] dom0 hangs when using an emulated ZFS volume

2006-08-03 Thread Patrick Petit
Hi, Some additional elements. Irrespective of the SCSI error reported earlier, I have established that Solaris dom0 hangs anyway when a domU is booted from a disk image located on an emulated ZFS volume. Has this been also observed by other members of the community? Is there a known

[zfs-discuss] Re: [xen-discuss] dom0 hangs when using an emulated ZFS volume

2006-08-03 Thread Richard Lowe
Patrick Petit wrote: Hi, Some additional elements. Irrespective of the SCSI error reported earlier, I have established that Solaris dom0 hangs anyway when a domU is booted from a disk image located on an emulated ZFS volume. Has this been also observed by other members of the community? Is

Re: [zfs-discuss] Re: Clones and rm -rf

2006-08-03 Thread Eric Schrock
On Thu, Aug 03, 2006 at 03:50:20PM -0700, Philip Brown wrote: Err.. the way you have described that, seems backward to me, and violates existing expected known solaris behaviour, not to mention logical separation of filesystems. zfs should not go changing the permissions on the

Re: [zfs-discuss] Re: Clones and rm -rf

2006-08-03 Thread Darren Dunham
Anton B. Rang wrote: I'd filed 6452505 (zfs create should set permissions on underlying mountpoint) so that this shouldn't cause problems in the future Err.. the way you have described that, seems backward to me, and violates existing expected known solaris behaviour, not to mention

Re: [zfs-discuss] Re: Clones and rm -rf

2006-08-03 Thread Nicolas Williams
On Thu, Aug 03, 2006 at 01:35:54AM -0700, Tom Simpson wrote: Well, You're spot on. Turns out that our datacentre boys change the umask of root to 0027. :-( Many years ago, back in the days of Solaris 2.5.1, changing root's umask to 027 caused problems if you, say, restarted the

[zfs-discuss] Re: [xen-discuss] dom0 hangs when using an emulated ZFS volume

2006-08-03 Thread Darren J Moffat
Richard Lowe wrote: Patrick Petit wrote: Hi, Some additional elements. Irrespective of the SCSI error reported earlier, I have established that Solaris dom0 hangs anyway when a domU is booted from a disk image located on an emulated ZFS volume. Has this been also observed by other members