Re: [zfs-discuss] Thumper and ZFS

2006-10-13 Thread Richard Elling - PAE
Do you want data availability, data retention, space, or performance? -- richard Robert Milkowski wrote: Hello zfs-discuss, While waiting for Thumpers to come I'm thinking how to configure them. I would like to use raid-z. As thumper has 6 SATA controllers each 8-port then maybe it

[zfs-discuss] fsflush and zfs

2006-10-13 Thread ttoulliu2002
Is there any change regarding fsflush such as autoup tunable for zfs ? Thanks This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/zfs-discuss

[zfs-discuss] Re: ZFS ACLs and Samba

2006-10-13 Thread Jiri Sasek
ZFS/NFSv4 introduced a new acl model (see acl(2) ...nevada (OpenSolaris) Solaris10u2). There is no compatibility bridge between the GETACL/SETACL/GETACLCNT and ACE_SETACL/ACE_SETACL/ACE_GETACLCNT fonctions of acl(2) syscall. Because this is Solaris speciffic (samba.org defines its internal

Re: [zfs-discuss] A versioning FS

2006-10-13 Thread Joerg Schilling
Nicolas Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, Oct 11, 2006 at 08:24:13PM +0200, Joerg Schilling wrote: Before we start defining the first offocial functionality for this Sun feature, we should define a mapping for Mac OS, FreeBSD and Linux. It may make sense, to define a sub

Re: [nfs-discuss] Re: [zfs-discuss] Re: NFS Performance and Tar

2006-10-13 Thread Joerg Schilling
Spencer Shepler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I didn't comment on the error conditions that can occur during the writing of data upon close(). What you describe is the preferred method of obtaining any errors that occur during the writing of data. This occurs because the NFS client is writing

Re[2]: [zfs-discuss] Thumper and ZFS

2006-10-13 Thread Robert Milkowski
Hello Richard, Friday, October 13, 2006, 8:05:18 AM, you wrote: REP Do you want data availability, data retention, space, or performance? data availability, space, performance However we're talking about quite a lot of small IOs (r+w). The real question was what do you think about creating

[zfs-discuss] zfs and zones

2006-10-13 Thread Roshan Perera
Hi, Sorry if this has been raised before. Question: IS it possible to 1. Solaris 10 OS partitons to be SDS and have a single partition on that same disk (without SDS) to be ZFS slice. 2. Partition the zfs slice for many partitions and each partition to hold a zone. Idea is to create many

Re: [zfs-discuss] zfs and zones

2006-10-13 Thread Robert Milkowski
Hello Roshan, Friday, October 13, 2006, 1:12:12 PM, you wrote: RP Hi, RP Sorry if this has been raised before. RP Question: IS it possible to RP 1. Solaris 10 OS partitons to be SDS and have a single partition RP on that same disk (without SDS) to be ZFS slice. Yes. RP 2. Partition the zfs

Re: [zfs-discuss] zfs and zones

2006-10-13 Thread Jeff Victor
Roshan Perera wrote: Hi, Sorry if this has been raised before. Question: IS it possible to 1. Solaris 10 OS partitons to be SDS and have a single partition on that same disk (without SDS) to be ZFS slice. Yes. 2. Partition the zfs slice for many partitions and each partition to hold a

Re: [nfs-discuss] Re: [zfs-discuss] Re: NFS Performance and Tar

2006-10-13 Thread Spencer Shepler
On Fri, Joerg Schilling wrote: Spencer Shepler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I didn't comment on the error conditions that can occur during the writing of data upon close(). What you describe is the preferred method of obtaining any errors that occur during the writing of data. This occurs

Re: [zfs-discuss] zfs and zones

2006-10-13 Thread Roshan Perera
Hi Jeff Robert, Thanks for the reply. Your interpretation is correct and the answer spot on. This is going to be at a VIP clients QA/production environment and first introduction to 10, zones and zfs. Anything unsupported is not allowed. Hence I may have to wait for the fix. Do you know

Re: [nfs-discuss] Re: [zfs-discuss] Re: NFS Performance and Tar

2006-10-13 Thread Joerg Schilling
Spencer Shepler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sorry, the code in Solaris would behave as I described. Upon the application closing the file, modified data is written to the server. The client waits for completion of those writes. If there is an error, it is returned to the caller of close().

Re: [nfs-discuss] Re: [zfs-discuss] Re: NFS Performance and Tar

2006-10-13 Thread Joerg Schilling
Jeff Victor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Your working did not match with the reality, this is why I did write this. You did write that upon close() the client will first do something similar to fsync on that file. The problem is that this is done asynchronously and the close() return value

Re: [nfs-discuss] Re: [zfs-discuss] Re: NFS Performance and Tar

2006-10-13 Thread Spencer Shepler
On Fri, Joerg Schilling wrote: Spencer Shepler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sorry, the code in Solaris would behave as I described. Upon the application closing the file, modified data is written to the server. The client waits for completion of those writes. If there is an error, it is

Re: [zfs-discuss] Where is the ZFS configuration data stored?

2006-10-13 Thread Keith Clay
Does it matter if the /dev names of the partitions change (i.e. from / dev/dsk/c2t2250CC611005d3s0 to another machine not using sun hba drivers with a different/shorter name??) thanks keith If the file does not exist than ZFS will not attempt to open any pools at boot. You must

[zfs-discuss] Self-tuning recordsize

2006-10-13 Thread Jeremy Teo
Would it be worthwhile to implement heuristics to auto-tune 'recordsize', or would that not be worth the effort? -- Regards, Jeremy ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/zfs-discuss

Re: [zfs-discuss] Where is the ZFS configuration data stored?

2006-10-13 Thread Darren Dunham
Does it matter if the /dev names of the partitions change (i.e. from / dev/dsk/c2t2250CC611005d3s0 to another machine not using sun hba drivers with a different/shorter name??) It should not. As long as all the disks are visible and ZFS can read the labels, it should be able to import

[zfs-discuss] Re: Re: zfs/raid configuration question for an

2006-10-13 Thread Anton B. Rang
Most ZFS improvements should be available through patches. Some may require moving to a future update (for instance, ZFS booting, which may have other implications throughout the system). On most systems, you won’t see a lot of difference between hardware or software mirroring. The benefit of

Re: [zfs-discuss] Self-tuning recordsize

2006-10-13 Thread Matthew Ahrens
Jeremy Teo wrote: Would it be worthwhile to implement heuristics to auto-tune 'recordsize', or would that not be worth the effort? It would be really great to automatically select the proper recordsize for each file! How do you suggest doing so? --matt

Re: [zfs-discuss] zfs and zones

2006-10-13 Thread Matthew Ahrens
Roshan Perera wrote: Hi Jeff Robert, Thanks for the reply. Your interpretation is correct and the answer spot on. This is going to be at a VIP clients QA/production environment and first introduction to 10, zones and zfs. Anything unsupported is not allowed. Hence I may have to wait for the

Re: [zfs-discuss] Thumper and ZFS

2006-10-13 Thread Matthew Ahrens
Robert Milkowski wrote: Hello Richard, Friday, October 13, 2006, 8:05:18 AM, you wrote: REP Do you want data availability, data retention, space, or performance? data availability, space, performance However we're talking about quite a lot of small IOs (r+w). Then you should seriously

[zfs-discuss] Zfs Performance with millions of small files in Sendmail messaging environment]

2006-10-13 Thread Ramneek Sethi
Hello Experts Would appreciate if somebody can comment on sendmail environment on solaris 10. How will Zfs perform if one has millions of files in sendmail message store directory under zfs filesystem compared to UFS or VxFS.. -- Thanks Regards,

Re: [zfs-discuss] A versioning FS

2006-10-13 Thread Nicolas Williams
On Fri, Oct 13, 2006 at 11:03:51AM +0200, Joerg Schilling wrote: Nicolas Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, Oct 11, 2006 at 08:24:13PM +0200, Joerg Schilling wrote: Before we start defining the first offocial functionality for this Sun feature, we should define a mapping for

[zfs-discuss] Re: [nfs-discuss] Re: Re: NFS Performance and Tar

2006-10-13 Thread Anton B. Rang
For what it's worth, close-to-open consistency was added to Linux NFS in the 2.4.20 kernel (late 2002 timeframe). This might be the source of some of the confusion. This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ zfs-discuss mailing list

[zfs-discuss] Re: Self-tuning recordsize

2006-10-13 Thread Anton B. Rang
One technique would be to keep a histogram of read write sizes. Presumably one would want to do this only during a “tuning phase” after the file was first created, or when access patterns change. (A shift to smaller record sizes can be detected by a large proportion of write operations which

[zfs-discuss] no tool to get expected disk usage reports

2006-10-13 Thread Dennis Clarke
- Original Message - Subject: no tool to get expected disk usage reports From:Dennis Clarke [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date:Fri, October 13, 2006 14:29 To: zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org

Re: [zfs-discuss] Self-tuning recordsize

2006-10-13 Thread Nicolas Williams
On Fri, Oct 13, 2006 at 08:30:27AM -0700, Matthew Ahrens wrote: Jeremy Teo wrote: Would it be worthwhile to implement heuristics to auto-tune 'recordsize', or would that not be worth the effort? It would be really great to automatically select the proper recordsize for each file! How do

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS Usability issue : improve means of finding ZFS-physdevice(s) mapping

2006-10-13 Thread Noel Dellofano
I don't understand why you can't use 'zpool status'? That will show the pools and the physical devices in each and is also a pretty basic command. Examples are given in the sysadmin docs and manpages for ZFS on the opensolaris ZFS community page. I realize it's not quite the same

Re[2]: [zfs-discuss] Thumper and ZFS

2006-10-13 Thread Robert Milkowski
Hello Matthew, Friday, October 13, 2006, 5:37:45 PM, you wrote: MA Robert Milkowski wrote: Hello Richard, Friday, October 13, 2006, 8:05:18 AM, you wrote: REP Do you want data availability, data retention, space, or performance? data availability, space, performance However we're

Re: [zfs-discuss] Zfs Performance with millions of small files in Sendmail messaging environment]

2006-10-13 Thread Robert Milkowski
Hello Ramneek, Friday, October 13, 2006, 6:07:22 PM, you wrote: RS Hello Experts RS Would appreciate if somebody can comment on sendmail environment on RS solaris 10. RS How will Zfs perform if one has millions of files in sendmail message RS store directory under zfs filesystem compared to UFS

Re[2]: [zfs-discuss] ZFS Usability issue : improve means of finding ZFS-physdevice(s) mapping

2006-10-13 Thread Robert Milkowski
Hello Noel, Friday, October 13, 2006, 11:22:06 PM, you wrote: ND I don't understand why you can't use 'zpool status'? That will show ND the pools and the physical devices in each and is also a pretty basic ND command. Examples are given in the sysadmin docs and manpages for ND ZFS on the

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS Usability issue : improve means of finding ZFS-physdevice(s) mapping

2006-10-13 Thread Matthew Ahrens
Robert Milkowski wrote: Hello Noel, Friday, October 13, 2006, 11:22:06 PM, you wrote: ND I don't understand why you can't use 'zpool status'? That will show ND the pools and the physical devices in each and is also a pretty basic ND command. Examples are given in the sysadmin docs and

[zfs-discuss] zfs_vfsops.c : zfs_vfsinit() : line 1179: Src inspection

2006-10-13 Thread Erblichs
Group, If their is a bad vfs ops template, why wouldn't you just return(error) versus trying to create the vnode ops template? My suggestion is after the cmn_err() then return(error); Mitchell Erblich

Re: [zfs-discuss] zfs and zones

2006-10-13 Thread Mike Gerdts
On 10/13/06, Matthew Ahrens [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Using ZFS for a zones root is currently planned to be supported in solaris 10 update 5, but we are working on moving it up to update 4. Are there any areas where the community can help with this? Would code or me too! support calls help the

Re: [zfs-discuss] fsflush and zfs

2006-10-13 Thread Neil Perrin
ZFS ignores the fsflush. Here's a snippet of the code in zfs_sync(): /* * SYNC_ATTR is used by fsflush() to force old filesystems like UFS * to sync metadata, which they would otherwise cache indefinitely. * Semantically, the only requirement is that the sync

Re: [zfs-discuss] Self-tuning recordsize

2006-10-13 Thread Erblichs
Group, I am not sure I agree with the 8k size. Since recordsize is based on the size of filesystem blocks for large files, my first consideration is what will be the max size of the file object. For extremely large files (25 to 100GBs), that are accessed