[zfs-discuss] Is my 3-way mirror completely lost?

2008-07-29 Thread Emiel van de Laar
Hello list, My ZFS pool has found it's way into a bad state after a period of neglect and now I'm having trouble recovering. The pool is a three-way mirror of which 2 disks started showing errors and thus the pool was degraded. I shut down the system and started at the lowest level by using ES

Re: [zfs-discuss] The best motherboard for a home ZFS fileserver

2008-07-29 Thread Justin Vassallo
Actually, my ideal setup would be: Shuttle XPC w/ 2x PCI-e x8 or x16 lanes 2x PCI-e eSATA cards (each with 4 eSATA port multiplier ports) Mike, may I ask which eSATA controllers you used? I searched the Solaris HCL and found very few listed there Thanks justin smime.p7s Description: S/MIME

Re: [zfs-discuss] The best motherboard for a home ZFS fileserver

2008-07-29 Thread mike
I didn't use any. That would be my -ideal- setup :) I waited and waited, and still no eSATA/Port Multiplier support out there, or isn't stable enough. So I scrapped it. This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ zfs-discuss mailing list

Re: [zfs-discuss] The best motherboard for a home ZFS fileserver

2008-07-29 Thread Steve
I agree with mike503. If you create the awareness (of the instability of recorded information) there is a large potential market waiting for a ZFS/NAS little server! Very nice the thin client idea. It will be good to also use the NAS server as a full server and use remotely with a very thin

[zfs-discuss] Errors in ZFS/NFSv4 ACL Documentation

2008-07-29 Thread Marc Bevand
I noticed some errors in ls(1), acl(5) and the ZFS Admin Guide about ZFS/NFSv4 ACLs: ls(1): read_acl (r) Permission to read the ACL of a file. The compact representation of read_acl is c, not r. ls(1): -c | -vThe same as -l, and in addition displays the [...] The options are in fact

Re: [zfs-discuss] Adding slices from same drive to a pool

2008-07-29 Thread Darren J Moffat
Ian Collins wrote: I'd like to extend my ZFS root pool by adding the old swap and root slice left over from the previous LU BE. Are there any known issues with concatenating slices from the same drive? Having done this in the past (many builds ago) I found the performance wasn't good.

Re: [zfs-discuss] Supermicro AOC-SAT2-MV8 hang when drive removed

2008-07-29 Thread Ross Smith
A little more information today. I had a feeling that ZFS would continue quite some time before giving an error, and today I've shown that you can carry on working with the filesystem for at least half an hour with the disk removed. I suspect on a system with little load you could carry on

Re: [zfs-discuss] Is my 3-way mirror completely lost?

2008-07-29 Thread Bob Friesenhahn
On Tue, 29 Jul 2008, Emiel van de Laar wrote: I'm not sure what to do next. Is my final pool completely lost? It sounds like your good disk has some serious problems and that formatting the two disks with bad sectors was the wrong thing to do. You might have been able to recover using the two

Re: [zfs-discuss] The best motherboard for a home ZFS fileserver

2008-07-29 Thread Bob Friesenhahn
On Tue, 29 Jul 2008, Steve wrote: I agree with mike503. If you create the awareness (of the instability of recorded information) there is a large potential market waiting for a ZFS/NAS little server! The big mistake in the posting was to assume that Sun should be in this market. Sun has

Re: [zfs-discuss] ? SX:CE snv_91 - ZFS - raid and mirror - drive sizes don't add correctl

2008-07-29 Thread Rob Clark
There may be some work being done to fix this: zpool should support raidz of mirrors http://bugs.opensolaris.org/bugdatabase/view_bug.do?bug_id=6485689 Discussed in this thread: Mirrored Raidz ( Posted: Oct 19, 2006 9:02 PM ) http://opensolaris.org/jive/thread.jspa?threadID=15854tstart=0

Re: [zfs-discuss] Errors in ZFS/NFSv4 ACL Documentation

2008-07-29 Thread Cindy . Swearingen
Mark, Thanks for your detailed review comments. I will check where the latest man pages are online and get back to you. In the meantime, I can file the bugs to get these issues fixed on your behalf. Thanks again, Cindy Marc Bevand wrote: I noticed some errors in ls(1), acl(5) and the ZFS

Re: [zfs-discuss] The best motherboard for a home ZFS fileserver

2008-07-29 Thread Steve
waynel wrote: We have a couple of machines similar to your just spec'ed. They have worked great. The only problem is, the power management routine only works for K10 and later. We will move to Intel core 2 duo for future machines (mainly b/c power management considerations). So is

Re: [zfs-discuss] Is my 3-way mirror completely lost?

2008-07-29 Thread Richard Elling
Bob Friesenhahn wrote: On Tue, 29 Jul 2008, Emiel van de Laar wrote: I'm not sure what to do next. Is my final pool completely lost? It sounds like your good disk has some serious problems and that formatting the two disks with bad sectors was the wrong thing to do. You might

[zfs-discuss] Datto ZFS OpenSolaris NAS Product

2008-07-29 Thread Haik Aftandilian
I just read about this new NAS product based on OpenSolaris and ZFS. There are lots of questions on this forum about good hardware for a home NAS box so the hardware/software this company is using might be interesting. From their site, they are using a 1.5 Ghz Low Voltage VIA C7 processor with

Re: [zfs-discuss] Supermicro AOC-SAT2-MV8 hang when drive removed

2008-07-29 Thread Jonathan Loran
I think the important point here is that this makes the case for ZFS handling at least one layer of redundancy. If the disk you pulled was part of a mirror or raidz, there wouldn't be data loss when your system was rebooted. In fact, the zpool status commands would likely keep working, and

Re: [zfs-discuss] Supermicro AOC-SAT2-MV8 hang when drive removed

2008-07-29 Thread David Collier-Brown
Just a side comment: this discussion shows all the classic symptoms of two groups of people with different basic assumptions, each wondering why the other said what they did. Getting these out in the open would be A Good Thing (;-)) --dave Jonathan Loran wrote: I think the important point

Re: [zfs-discuss] The best motherboard for a home ZFS fileserver

2008-07-29 Thread Brandon High
On Tue, Jul 29, 2008 at 9:20 AM, Steve [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So is Intel better? Which motherboard could be a good choice? (microatx?) Inexpensive Intel motherboards do not support ECC memory while all current AMD cpus do. If ECC is important to you, Intel is not a good choice. I'm

[zfs-discuss] questions about ZFS Send/Receive

2008-07-29 Thread Stefano Pini
Hi guys, we are proposing a customer a couple of X4500 (24 Tb) used as NAS (i.e. NFS server). Both server will contain the same files and should be accessed by different clients at the same time (i.e. they should be both active) So we need to guarantee that both x4500 contain the same

Re: [zfs-discuss] questions about ZFS Send/Receive

2008-07-29 Thread Chris Cosby
On Tue, Jul 29, 2008 at 5:13 PM, Stefano Pini [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi guys, we are proposing a customer a couple of X4500 (24 Tb) used as NAS (i.e. NFS server). Both server will contain the same files and should be accessed by different clients at the same time (i.e. they should be

Re: [zfs-discuss] The best motherboard for a home ZFS fileserver

2008-07-29 Thread mike
I'd say some good places to look are silentpcreview.com and mini-itx.com. I found this tasty morsel on an ad at mini-itx... http://www.american-portwell.com/product.php?productid=16133 6x onboard SATA. 4 gig support. core2duo support. which means 64 bit = yes, 4 gig = yes, 6x sata is nice. now

Re: [zfs-discuss] questions about ZFS Send/Receive

2008-07-29 Thread Richard Elling
Stefano Pini wrote: Hi guys, we are proposing a customer a couple of X4500 (24 Tb) used as NAS (i.e. NFS server). Both server will contain the same files and should be accessed by different clients at the same time (i.e. they should be both active) What exactly are they trying to do?

Re: [zfs-discuss] questions about ZFS Send/Receive

2008-07-29 Thread eric kustarz
On Jul 29, 2008, at 2:24 PM, Chris Cosby wrote: On Tue, Jul 29, 2008 at 5:13 PM, Stefano Pini [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi guys, we are proposing a customer a couple of X4500 (24 Tb) used as NAS (i.e. NFS server). Both server will contain the same files and should be accessed by

Re: [zfs-discuss] questions about ZFS Send/Receive

2008-07-29 Thread Chris Cosby
Obviously, I should stop answering, as all I deal with and all that I will deal with is GA Solaris. OpenSolaris might as well not exist as far as I'm concerned. With that in mind, I'll just keep reading and appreciating all of the good zfs info that comes along. Peace out. On Tue, Jul 29, 2008

Re: [zfs-discuss] Ideal Setup: RAID-5, Areca, etc!

2008-07-29 Thread Robert Milkowski
Hello Bob, Friday, July 25, 2008, 9:00:41 PM, you wrote: BF On Fri, 25 Jul 2008, Brandon High wrote: I am not sure if ZFS really has to wait for both sides of a mirror to finish, but even if it does, if there are enough VDEVs then ZFS can still proceed with writing. It would have to wait

Re: [zfs-discuss] The best motherboard for a home ZFS fileserver

2008-07-29 Thread Steve
A little case modding maybe not so difficult...there are examples (and instructions) like: http://www.mashie.org/casemods/udat2.html But for sure there are more advanced like: http://forums.bit-tech.net/showthread.php?t=76374pp=20 And here you can have a full example of the human ingenious!!

Re: [zfs-discuss] The best motherboard for a home ZFS fileserver

2008-07-29 Thread mike
that mashie link might be exactly what i wanted... that mini-itx board w/ 6 SATA. use CF maybe for boot (might need IDE to CF converter) - 5 drive holder (hotswap as a bonus) - you get 4 gig ram, core2-based chip (64-bit), onboard graphics, 5 SATA2 drives... that is cool. however. would need

Re: [zfs-discuss] [zfs-code] Peak every 4-5 second

2008-07-29 Thread Robert Milkowski
Hello Bob, Friday, July 25, 2008, 4:58:54 PM, you wrote: BF On Fri, 25 Jul 2008, Robert Milkowski wrote: Both on 2540 and 6540 if you do not disable it your performance will be very bad especially for synchronous IOs as ZIL will force your array to flush its cache every time. If you are

Re: [zfs-discuss] The best motherboard for a home ZFS fileserver

2008-07-29 Thread Steve
If I understood properly there is just one piece that has to be modified: a flat alluminium board with a squared hole in the center, that any fine mechanic around your city should do very easily... The problem more than the noise in this tight case might be the temperature! This message

Re: [zfs-discuss] [zfs-code] Peak every 4-5 second

2008-07-29 Thread Bob Friesenhahn
On Wed, 30 Jul 2008, Robert Milkowski wrote: Both cases are basically the same. Please notice I'm not talking about disabling ZIL, I'm talking about disabling cache flushes in ZFS. ZFS will still wait for the array to confirm that it did receive data (nvram). So it seems that in your

[zfs-discuss] My first 'unrecoverable error', what to do?

2008-07-29 Thread Sam
I've had my 10x500 ZFS+ running for probably 6 months now and had thought it was scrubbing occasionally (wrong) so I started a scrub this morning, its almost done now and I got this: errors: No known data errors # zpool status pool: pile state: ONLINE status: One or more devices has

Re: [zfs-discuss] My first 'unrecoverable error', what to do?

2008-07-29 Thread Sam
Could this someway be related to this rather large (100GB) difference that 'zfs list' and 'zpool list' report: NAME SIZE USED AVAILCAP HEALTH ALTROOT pile 4.53T 4.31T 223G95% ONLINE - # zfs list NAME USED AVAIL REFER MOUNTPOINT pile 3.44T 120G 3.44T /pile I know

Re: [zfs-discuss] My first 'unrecoverable error', what to do?

2008-07-29 Thread Arne Schwabe
Sam schrieb: I've had my 10x500 ZFS+ running for probably 6 months now and had thought it was scrubbing occasionally (wrong) so I started a scrub this morning, its almost done now and I got this: errors: No known data errors # zpool status pool: pile state: ONLINE status: One or more

Re: [zfs-discuss] The best motherboard for a home ZFS fileserver

2008-07-29 Thread mike
exactly. that's why i'm trying to get an account on that site (looks like open registration for the forums is disabled) so i can shoot the breeze and talk about all this stuff too. zfs would be perfect for this as most these guys are trying to find hardware raid cards that will fit, etc...

Re: [zfs-discuss] My first 'unrecoverable error', what to do?

2008-07-29 Thread Bob Friesenhahn
On Tue, 29 Jul 2008, Sam wrote: So it says its a minor error but still one to be concerned about, I thought resilvering takes care of checksum errors, does it not? Should I be running to buy 3 new 500GB drives? Presumably these are SATA drives. Studies show that typical SATA drives tend to