Re: [zfs-discuss] verging OT: how to buy J4500 w/o overpriced drives

2010-02-09 Thread Eric D. Mudama
On Tue, Feb 9 at 2:36, Kjetil Torgrim Homme wrote: Daniel Carosone writes: In that context, I haven't seen an answer, just a conclusion: - All else is not equal, so I give my money to some other hardware manufacturer, and get frustrated that Sun "won't let me" buy the parts I could u

[zfs-discuss] zfs receive : is this expected ?

2010-02-09 Thread Bruno Damour
amber ~ # zpool list data NAME SIZE ALLOC FREECAP DEDUP HEALTH ALTROOT data 930G 295G 635G31% 1.00x ONLINE - amber ~ # zfs send -RD d...@prededup |zfs recv -d ezdata cannot receive new filesystem stream: destination 'ezdata' exists must specify -F to overwrite it amber ~

Re: [zfs-discuss] verging OT: how to buy J4500 w/o overpriced

2010-02-09 Thread Wes Felter
Have you considered Promise JBODs? They officially support bring-your-own-drives. Wes Felter ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/zfs-discuss

Re: [zfs-discuss] verging OT: how to buy J4500 w/o overpriced drives

2010-02-09 Thread Tim Cook
On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 7:37 PM, Frank Cusack wrote: > > I assume you are responding to my comment and not Toby's. Did you try > to drill down past the front page? To look at the specs for ANY server? > I just thought it was much more difficult to look at and compare specs > than it was on Sun's

[zfs-discuss] alternative aclmode options -- ignore? deny?

2010-02-09 Thread Paul B. Henson
I was having a conversation a few weeks ago about the various possible ways of handling a chmod() on a file/directory with an acl. I suggested that one option be for it just be ignored, as the file presumably had that acl for a reason and the creator probably doesn't want it indiscriminitely whack

Re: [zfs-discuss] verging OT: how to buy J4500 w/o overpriced drives

2010-02-09 Thread Bob Friesenhahn
On Tue, 9 Feb 2010, Frank Cusack wrote: I assume you are responding to my comment and not Toby's. Did you try to drill down past the front page? To look at the specs for ANY server? I just thought it was much more difficult to look at and compare specs than it was on Sun's site. Turns out you

Re: [zfs-discuss] verging OT: how to buy J4500 w/o overpriced drives

2010-02-09 Thread Frank Cusack
On 2/9/10 5:19 PM -0600 Tim Cook wrote: On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 2:39 PM, Toby Thain wrote: On 9-Feb-10, at 2:02 PM, Frank Cusack wrote: On 2/9/10 12:03 PM +1100 Daniel Carosone wrote:> Snorcle wants to sell hardware. LOL ... snorcle But apparently they don't. Have you seen the new we

[zfs-discuss] [OT] excess zfs-discuss mailman digests

2010-02-09 Thread grarpamp
Thanks for the archive pointer, I completely overlooked it. Replacing the obfuscated 'at's allows mutt to read them :) Doing some other lint checks... these lines in the gzip archives could be adjusted by the list maintainer if so desired: # Could be missing ' at ohsu.edu' 2006-May.txt.gz:From hak

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS ZIL + L2ARC SSD Setup

2010-02-09 Thread Felix Buenemann
Am 09.02.10 09:58, schrieb Felix Buenemann: Am 09.02.10 02:30, schrieb Bob Friesenhahn: On Tue, 9 Feb 2010, Felix Buenemann wrote: Well to make things short: Using JBOD + ZFS Striped Mirrors vs. controller's RAID10, dropped the max. sequential read I/O from over 400 MByte/s to below 300 MByte/

Re: [zfs-discuss] verging OT: how to buy J4500 w/o overpriced

2010-02-09 Thread Thomas Burgess
> Since I started this, let me explain to those who can't begin to understand > why I proposed something so "stupid". At work (branch of a federal gov't > big-5 Department) I need 40TB but have next to nothing in budget. (For some > reason all you damn citizens think you're entitled to keep most of

Re: [zfs-discuss] Intrusion Detection - powered by ZFS Checksumming ?

2010-02-09 Thread Kjetil Torgrim Homme
Neil Perrin writes: > On 02/09/10 08:18, Kjetil Torgrim Homme wrote: >> I think the above is easily misunderstood. I assume the OP means >> append, not rewrites, and in that case (with recordsize=128k): >> >> * after the first write, the file will consist of a single 1 KiB record. >> * after the

Re: [zfs-discuss] verging OT: how to buy J4500 w/o overpriced

2010-02-09 Thread Bob Friesenhahn
On Tue, 9 Feb 2010, Daniel Bakken wrote: From my perspective as an IT pro, Sun is selling BMW's at $200k. It's a great car, but a Mercedes is half the cost. Most hardware consumers have already flocked to the competition, which explains Sun's staggering losses and the Oracle buyout. We can't aff

Re: [zfs-discuss] Dedup Questions.

2010-02-09 Thread Matthew Ahrens
Tom Hall wrote: Re the DDT, can someone outline it's structure please? Some sort of hash table? The blogs I have read so far dont specify. It is stored in a ZAP object, which is an extensible hash table. See zap.[ch], ddt_zap.c, ddt.h --matt ___ z

Re: [zfs-discuss] verging OT: how to buy J4500 w/o overpriced drives

2010-02-09 Thread Tim Cook
On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 2:39 PM, Toby Thain wrote: > > On 9-Feb-10, at 2:02 PM, Frank Cusack wrote: > > On 2/9/10 12:03 PM +1100 Daniel Carosone wrote:> >> >>> Snorcle wants to sell hardware. >>> >> >> LOL ... snorcle >> >> But apparently they don't. Have you seen the new website? Seems like a

Re: [zfs-discuss] verging OT: how to buy J4500 w/o overpriced drives

2010-02-09 Thread David Magda
On Feb 8, 2010, at 20:03, Daniel Carosone wrote: Snorcle wants to sell hardware. Larry Ellison wants Oracle to be a "systems" company, a la T. J. Watson Jr.'s IBM and Cisco: "We are not going into the hardware business. We have no interest in the hardware business. We have a deep interes

Re: [zfs-discuss] verging OT: how to buy J4500 w/o overpriced

2010-02-09 Thread Daniel Bakken
On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 1:38 PM, Erik Trimble wrote: > Bottom line here: if someone comes along and provides the same level of > service for a better price, the market will flock to them.  Or if the market > decides the current level of service is unnecessary, it will move to vendors > providing t

Re: [zfs-discuss] verging OT: how to buy J4500 w/o overpriced

2010-02-09 Thread Erik Trimble
matthew patton wrote: It might help people to understand how ridiculous they sound going on and on about buying a premium storage appliance without any storage. Since I started this, let me explain to those who can't begin to understand why I proposed something so "stupid". At work (branc

Re: [zfs-discuss] most of my space is gone

2010-02-09 Thread Thorsten Hirsch
Oooops, some snapshots were using all the missing space. While I played around with some commands I've read in the ZFS Administration Guide and the ZFS FAQ, I stumbled over 6 or 7 snapshots of my opensolaris-7 be. I wonder where they come from, because I've never worked with snapshots so far an

Re: [zfs-discuss] Drive failure causes system to be unusable

2010-02-09 Thread Dr. Martin Mundschenk
Am 08.02.2010 um 20:03 schrieb Richard Elling: > Are you sure there is not another fault here? What does "svcs -xv" show? Well, I don't have the result of svcs -xv, since the fault is recovered by now, but it turned out not to be a hardware failure but an unstable USB-conectivity. But sill: Wh

Re: [zfs-discuss] Dedup Questions.

2010-02-09 Thread Daniel Carosone
On Tue, Feb 09, 2010 at 08:26:42AM -0800, Richard Elling wrote: > >> "zdb -D poolname" will provide details on the DDT size. FWIW, I have a > >> pool with 52M DDT entries and the DDT is around 26GB. I wish -D was documented; I had forgotten about it and only found the (expensive) -S variant, whic

Re: [zfs-discuss] verging OT: how to buy J4500 w/o overpriced drives

2010-02-09 Thread Toby Thain
On 9-Feb-10, at 2:02 PM, Frank Cusack wrote: On 2/9/10 12:03 PM +1100 Daniel Carosone wrote:> Snorcle wants to sell hardware. LOL ... snorcle But apparently they don't. Have you seen the new website? Seems like a blatant attempt to kill the hardware business to me. That's very sad.

[zfs-discuss] ZFS ARC Hits By App

2010-02-09 Thread Abdullah Al-Dahlawi
Greeting ALL I am wondering if it is possible to monitor the ZFS ARC cache hits using DTRACE. In orher words, would be possible to know how many ARC cache hits have been resulted by a particular application such as firefox ?? Your response is highly appreciated. Thanks -- Abdullah dahl...@ie

Re: [zfs-discuss] verging OT: how to buy J4500 w/o overpriced drives

2010-02-09 Thread Frank Cusack
On 2/9/10 12:03 PM +1100 Daniel Carosone wrote:> Snorcle wants to sell hardware. LOL ... snorcle But apparently they don't. Have you seen the new website? Seems like a blatant attempt to kill the hardware business to me. ___ zfs-discuss mailing li

Re: [zfs-discuss] verging OT: how to buy J4500 w/o overpriced

2010-02-09 Thread matthew patton
> It might help people to understand how ridiculous they > sound going on and on > about buying a premium storage appliance without any > storage. Since I started this, let me explain to those who can't begin to understand why I proposed something so "stupid". At work (branch of a federal gov't b

Re: [zfs-discuss] Intrusion Detection - powered by ZFS Checksumming ?

2010-02-09 Thread Neil Perrin
On 02/09/10 08:18, Kjetil Torgrim Homme wrote: Richard Elling writes: On Feb 8, 2010, at 9:10 PM, Damon Atkins wrote: I would have thought that if I write 1k then ZFS txg times out in 30secs, then the 1k will be written to disk in a 1k record block, and then if I write 4k then 30secs latte

Re: [zfs-discuss] Dedup Questions.

2010-02-09 Thread Richard Elling
On Feb 9, 2010, at 7:24 AM, Kjetil Torgrim Homme wrote: > Richard Elling writes: > >> On Feb 8, 2010, at 6:04 PM, Kjetil Torgrim Homme wrote: >>> the size of [a DDT] entry is much larger: >>> >>> | From: Mertol Ozyoney >>> | >>> | Approximately it's 150 bytes per individual block. >> >> "zdb

Re: [zfs-discuss] Dedup Questions.

2010-02-09 Thread Kjetil Torgrim Homme
Richard Elling writes: > On Feb 8, 2010, at 6:04 PM, Kjetil Torgrim Homme wrote: >> the size of [a DDT] entry is much larger: >> >> | From: Mertol Ozyoney >> | >> | Approximately it's 150 bytes per individual block. > > "zdb -D poolname" will provide details on the DDT size. FWIW, I have a >

Re: [zfs-discuss] Intrusion Detection - powered by ZFS Checksumming ?

2010-02-09 Thread Kjetil Torgrim Homme
Richard Elling writes: > On Feb 8, 2010, at 9:10 PM, Damon Atkins wrote: > >> I would have thought that if I write 1k then ZFS txg times out in >> 30secs, then the 1k will be written to disk in a 1k record block, and >> then if I write 4k then 30secs latter txg happen another 4k record >> size bl

Re: [zfs-discuss] zfs send/receive : panic and reboot

2010-02-09 Thread Andrey Kuzmin
Just an observation: panic occurs in avl_add when called from find_ds_by_guid that tries to add existing snapshot id to the avl tree (http://src.opensolaris.org/source/xref/onnv/onnv-gate/usr/src/uts/common/fs/zfs/dmu_send.c#find_ds_by_guid). HTH, Andrey On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 1:37 AM, Bruno D

Re: [zfs-discuss] NFS access by OSX clients (was Cores vs. Speed?)

2010-02-09 Thread Ross Walker
On Feb 8, 2010, at 4:58 PM, Edward Ned Harvey > wrote: How are you managing UID's on the NFS server? If user eharvey connects to server from client Mac A, or Mac B, or Windows 1, or Windows 2, or any of the linux machines ... the server has to know it's eharvey, and assign the correct UID'

Re: [zfs-discuss] Install/boot OS from ZFS iscsi target

2010-02-09 Thread Arnaud Brand
Short answer : yes. You'll find more info regarding COMSTAR (the iscsi target in opensolaris) here http://hub.opensolaris.org/bin/view/Project+comstar/ For the windows part : http://etherboot.org/wiki/sanboot and here http://etherboot.org/wiki/sanboot/iscsi_install -- arnaud Le 08/02/2010 22

Re: [zfs-discuss] zfs send/receive : panic and reboot

2010-02-09 Thread Bruno Damour
On 02/ 8/10 06:38 PM, Lori Alt wrote: Can you please send a complete list of the actions taken: The commands you used to create the send stream, the commands used to receive the stream. Also the output of `zfs list -t all` on both the sending and receiving sides. If you were able to collec

[zfs-discuss] NFS access by OSX clients (was Cores vs. Speed?)

2010-02-09 Thread Edward Ned Harvey
> There's also questions of case sensitivity, locking, being mounted at > boot time rather than login time, accomodating more than one user. > I've also heard SMB is far slower. > > The Macs I've switched to automounted NFS are causing me less trouble. > > If you are in a ``share almost everythin

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS ZIL + L2ARC SSD Setup

2010-02-09 Thread Felix Buenemann
Am 09.02.10 02:30, schrieb Bob Friesenhahn: On Tue, 9 Feb 2010, Felix Buenemann wrote: Well to make things short: Using JBOD + ZFS Striped Mirrors vs. controller's RAID10, dropped the max. sequential read I/O from over 400 MByte/s to below 300 MByte/s. However random I/O and sequential writes s