Re: [zfs-discuss] RFE: Un-dedup for unique blocks

2013-01-21 Thread Edward Ned Harvey (opensolarisisdeadlongliveopensolaris)
From: Richard Elling [mailto:richard.ell...@gmail.com] I disagree the ZFS is developmentally challenged. As an IT consultant, 8 years ago before I heard of ZFS, it was always easy to sell Ontap, as long as it fit into the budget. 5 years ago, whenever I told customers about ZFS, it was

Re: [zfs-discuss] RFE: Un-dedup for unique blocks

2013-01-21 Thread Edward Ned Harvey (opensolarisisdeadlongliveopensolaris)
From: Sašo Kiselkov [mailto:skiselkov...@gmail.com] as far as incompatibility among products, I've yet to come across it I was talking about ... install solaris 11, and it's using a new version of zfs that's incompatible with anything else out there. And vice-versa. (Not sure if feature

Re: [zfs-discuss] RFE: Un-dedup for unique blocks

2013-01-22 Thread Edward Ned Harvey (opensolarisisdeadlongliveopensolaris)
From: Darren J Moffat [mailto:darr...@opensolaris.org] Support for SCSI UNMAP - both issuing it and honoring it when it is the backing store of an iSCSI target. When I search for scsi unmap, I come up with all sorts of documentation that ... is ... like reading a medical journal when all

Re: [zfs-discuss] RFE: Un-dedup for unique blocks

2013-01-22 Thread Edward Ned Harvey (opensolarisisdeadlongliveopensolaris)
From: zfs-discuss-boun...@opensolaris.org [mailto:zfs-discuss- boun...@opensolaris.org] On Behalf Of Nico Williams As for swap... really, you don't want to swap. If you're swapping you have problems. For clarification, the above is true in Solaris and derivatives, but it's not

Re: [zfs-discuss] RFE: Un-dedup for unique blocks

2013-01-23 Thread Edward Ned Harvey (opensolarisisdeadlongliveopensolaris)
From: Gary Mills [mailto:gary_mi...@fastmail.fm] In solaris, I've never seen it swap out idle processes; I've only seen it use swap for the bad bad bad situation. I assume that's all it can do with swap. You would be wrong. Solaris uses swap space for paging. Paging out unused

Re: [zfs-discuss] RFE: Un-dedup for unique blocks

2013-01-29 Thread Edward Ned Harvey (opensolarisisdeadlongliveopensolaris)
From: Robert Milkowski [mailto:rmilkow...@task.gda.pl] That is one thing that always bothered me... so it is ok for others, like Nexenta, to keep stuff closed and not in open, while if Oracle does it they are bad? Oracle, like Nexenta, and my own company CleverTrove, and Microsoft, and

Re: [zfs-discuss] Scrub performance

2013-02-04 Thread Edward Ned Harvey (opensolarisisdeadlongliveopensolaris)
From: zfs-discuss-boun...@opensolaris.org [mailto:zfs-discuss- boun...@opensolaris.org] On Behalf Of Koopmann, Jan-Peter all I can tell you is that I've had terrible scrub rates when I used dedup. I can tell you I've had terrible everything rates when I used dedup. The DDT was a bit too

Re: [zfs-discuss] Scrub performance

2013-02-04 Thread Edward Ned Harvey (opensolarisisdeadlongliveopensolaris)
From: zfs-discuss-boun...@opensolaris.org [mailto:zfs-discuss- boun...@opensolaris.org] On Behalf Of Edward Ned Harvey I can tell you I've had terrible everything rates when I used dedup. So, the above comment isn't fair, really. The truth is here:

[zfs-discuss] how to know available disk space

2013-02-06 Thread Edward Ned Harvey (opensolarisisdeadlongliveopensolaris)
I have a bunch of VM's, and some samba shares, etc, on a pool. I created the VM's using zvol's, specifically so they would have an appropriate refreservation and never run out of disk space, even with snapshots. Today, I ran out of disk space, and all the VM's died. So obviously it didn't

Re: [zfs-discuss] how to know available disk space

2013-02-06 Thread Edward Ned Harvey (opensolarisisdeadlongliveopensolaris)
From: Gregg Wonderly [mailto:gregg...@gmail.com] This is one of the greatest annoyances of ZFS.  I don't really understand how, a zvol's space can not be accurately enumerated from top to bottom of the tree in 'df' output etc.  Why does a zvol divorce the space used from the root of the

Re: [zfs-discuss] how to know available disk space

2013-02-08 Thread Edward Ned Harvey (opensolarisisdeadlongliveopensolaris)
From: Pasi Kärkkäinen [mailto:pa...@iki.fi] What's the correct way of finding out what actually uses/reserves that 1023G of FREE in the zpool? Maybe this isn't exactly what you need, but maybe: for fs in `zfs list -H -o name` ; do echo $fs ; zfs get

[zfs-discuss] zfs-discuss mailing list opensolaris EOL

2013-02-15 Thread Edward Ned Harvey (opensolarisisdeadlongliveopensolaris)
So, I hear, in a couple weeks' time, opensolaris.org is shutting down. What does that mean for this mailing list? Should we all be moving over to something at illumos or something? I'm going to encourage somebody in an official capacity at opensolaris to respond... I'm going to discourage

[zfs-discuss] maczfs / ZEVO

2013-02-15 Thread Edward Ned Harvey (opensolarisisdeadlongliveopensolaris)
Anybody using maczfs / ZEVO? Have good or bad things to say, in terms of reliability, performance, features? My main reason for asking is this: I have a mac, I use Time Machine, and I have VM's inside. Time Machine, while great in general, has the limitation of being unable to intelligently

Re: [zfs-discuss] zfs-discuss mailing list opensolaris EOL

2013-02-16 Thread Edward Ned Harvey (opensolarisisdeadlongliveopensolaris)
Of Edward Ned Harvey (opensolarisisdeadlongliveopensolaris) Sent: Friday, February 15, 2013 11:00 AM To: zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org Subject: [zfs-discuss] zfs-discuss mailing list opensolaris EOL So, I hear, in a couple weeks' time, opensolaris.org is shutting down. What does that mean

Re: [zfs-discuss] zfs-discuss mailing list opensolaris EOL

2013-02-16 Thread Edward Ned Harvey (opensolarisisdeadlongliveopensolaris)
From: Tim Cook [mailto:t...@cook.ms] That would be the logical decision, yes.  Not to poke fun, but did you really expect an official response after YEARS of nothing from Oracle?  This is the same company that refused to release any Java patches until the DHS issued a national warning

Re: [zfs-discuss] zfs-discuss mailing list opensolaris EOL

2013-02-16 Thread Edward Ned Harvey (opensolarisisdeadlongliveopensolaris)
From: sriram...@gmail.com [mailto:sriram...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Sriram Narayanan Or, given that this is a weekend, we assume that someone within Oracle would see this mail only on Monday morning Pacific Time, then send out some mails within, and be able to respond in public only by

Re: [zfs-discuss] zfs-discuss mailing list opensolaris EOL

2013-02-16 Thread Edward Ned Harvey (opensolarisisdeadlongliveopensolaris)
From: Bob Friesenhahn [mailto:bfrie...@simple.dallas.tx.us] Good for you. I am sure that Larry will be contacting you soon. hehehehehe... he knows better. ;-) Previously Oracle announced and invited people to join their discussion forums, which are web-based and virtually dead.

Re: [zfs-discuss] zfs-discuss mailing list opensolaris EOL

2013-02-17 Thread Edward Ned Harvey (opensolarisisdeadlongliveopensolaris)
From: cindy swearingen [mailto:cindy.swearin...@gmail.com] This was new news to use too and we're just talking over some options yesterday afternoon so please give us a chance to regroup and provide some alternatives. This list will be shutdown but we can start a new one on java.net.

Re: [zfs-discuss] maczfs / ZEVO

2013-02-17 Thread Edward Ned Harvey (opensolarisisdeadlongliveopensolaris)
From: Tim Cook [mailto:t...@cook.ms] Sent: Friday, February 15, 2013 11:14 AM I have a few coworkers using it.  No horror stories and it's been in use about 6 months now.  If there were any showstoppers I'm sure I'd have heard loud complaints by now :) So, I have discovered a *couple* of

Re: [zfs-discuss] zfs-discuss mailing list opensolaris EOL

2013-02-17 Thread Edward Ned Harvey (opensolarisisdeadlongliveopensolaris)
From: Tim Cook [mailto:t...@cook.ms] Why would I spend all that time and energy participating in ANOTHER list controlled by Oracle, when they have shown they have no qualms about eliminating it with basically 0 warning, at their whim? From an open source, community perspective, I

Re: [zfs-discuss] zfs-discuss mailing list opensolaris EOL

2013-02-17 Thread Edward Ned Harvey (opensolarisisdeadlongliveopensolaris)
From: Tim Cook [mailto:t...@cook.ms] We can agree to disagree. I think you're still operating under the auspices of Oracle wanting to have an open discussion.  This is patently false.   I'm just going to respond to this by saying thank you, Cindy, Casper, Neil, and others, for all the

Re: [zfs-discuss] maczfs / ZEVO

2013-02-18 Thread Edward Ned Harvey (opensolarisisdeadlongliveopensolaris)
From: zfs-discuss-boun...@opensolaris.org [mailto:zfs-discuss- boun...@opensolaris.org] On Behalf Of Edward Ned Harvey Tim, Simon, Volker, Chris, and Erik - How do you use it? I am making the informed guess, that you're using it primarily on non- laptops, which have second hard drives, and

Re: [zfs-discuss] partioned cache devices

2013-03-15 Thread Edward Ned Harvey (opensolarisisdeadlongliveopensolaris)
From: zfs-discuss-boun...@opensolaris.org [mailto:zfs-discuss- boun...@opensolaris.org] On Behalf Of Andrew Werchowiecki muslimwookie@Pyzee:~$ sudo zpool add aggr0 cache c25t10d1p2 Password: cannot open '/dev/dsk/c25t10d1p2': I/O error muslimwookie@Pyzee:~$ I have two SSDs in the

[zfs-discuss] This mailing list EOL???

2013-03-20 Thread Edward Ned Harvey (opensolarisisdeadlongliveopensolaris)
I can't seem to find any factual indication that opensolaris.org mailing lists are going away, and I can't even find the reference to whoever said it was EOL in a few weeks ... a few weeks ago. So ... are these mailing lists going bye-bye? ___

Re: [zfs-discuss] This mailing list EOL???

2013-03-21 Thread Edward Ned Harvey (opensolarisisdeadlongliveopensolaris)
an invitation to the new list shortly. Thanks for your patience. Cindy On 03/20/13 15:05, Edward Ned Harvey (opensolarisisdeadlongliveopensolaris) wrote: I can't seem to find any factual indication that opensolaris.orghttp://opensolaris.org mailing lists are going away, and I can't even find

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