Re: [zfs-discuss] Fixing Wikipedia tmpfs article (was Re: Which directories must be part of rpool?)
Frank Middleton f.middle...@apogeect.com wrote: On 09/27/09 11:25 AM, Joerg Schilling wrote: Frank Middletonf.middle...@apogeect.com wrote: Could you fix the Wikipedia article? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TMPFS it first appeared in SunOS 4.1, released in March 1990 It appeared with SunOS-4.0. The official release was probably Februars 1987, but there have been betas before IIRC. Do you have any references one could quote so that the Wikipedia article can be corrected? The section on Solaris is rather skimpy and could do with some work... I am not sure whether my changes will be kept as wikipedia prefers to keep badly quoted wrong information before correct information supplied by people who have first hand information. Just to prove my information: I invented fbk (which Sun now calls lofi) in summer 1988 after I received the sources for SunOS-4.0. fbk was my playground for the new vnode interface before I wrote wofs the probably first copy on write filesystem. I definitely know that tmpfs was in 4.0. Jörg -- EMail:jo...@schily.isdn.cs.tu-berlin.de (home) Jörg Schilling D-13353 Berlin j...@cs.tu-berlin.de(uni) joerg.schill...@fokus.fraunhofer.de (work) Blog: http://schily.blogspot.com/ URL: http://cdrecord.berlios.de/private/ ftp://ftp.berlios.de/pub/schily ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/zfs-discuss
Re: [zfs-discuss] Fixing Wikipedia tmpfs article (was Re: Which directories must be part of rpool?)
Joerg Schilling wrote: Just to prove my information: I invented fbk (which Sun now calls lofi) Sun does NOT call your fbk by the name lofi. Lofi is a completely different implementation of the same concept. -- Darren J Moffat ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/zfs-discuss
Re: [zfs-discuss] Fixing Wikipedia tmpfs article (was Re: Which directories must be part of rpool?)
Trying to move this to a new thread, although I don't think it has anything to do with ZFS :-) On 09/28/09 08:54 AM, Chris Gerhard wrote: TMPFS was not in the first release of 4.0. It was introduced to boost the performance of diskless clients which no longer had the old network disk for their root file systems and hence /tmp was now over NFS. Whether there was a patch that brought it back into 4.0 I don't recall but I don't think so. 4.0.1 would have been the first release that actually had it. --chris On 09/28/09 03:00 AM, Joerg Schilling wrote: I am not sure whether my changes will be kept as wikipedia prefers to keep badly quoted wrong information before correct information supplied by people who have first hand information. They actually disallow first hand information. Everything on Wikipedia is supposed to be confirmed by secondary or tertiary sources. That's why I asked if there was any supporting documentation - papers, manuals, proceedings, whatever, that describe the introduction of tmpfs before 1990. If you were to write a personal page (in Wikipedia if you like) that describes the history of tmpfs, then you could refer to it in the tmpfs page as a secondary source. Actually, I suppose if it was in the source code itself, that would be pretty irrefutable! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Reliable_sources Wikipedia also has a lofi page (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lofi) that redirects to loop mount. It has no historical section at all... There is no fbk (file system) page. Cheers -- Frank ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/zfs-discuss
Re: [zfs-discuss] Fixing Wikipedia tmpfs article (was Re: Which directories must be part of rpool?)
Darren J Moffat darr...@opensolaris.org wrote: Joerg Schilling wrote: Just to prove my information: I invented fbk (which Sun now calls lofi) Sun does NOT call your fbk by the name lofi. Lofi is a completely different implementation of the same concept. With this kind of driver the implementation coding trivial, it is the idea that is important. So it does not matter that lofi is a reimplementation. Jörg -- EMail:jo...@schily.isdn.cs.tu-berlin.de (home) Jörg Schilling D-13353 Berlin j...@cs.tu-berlin.de(uni) joerg.schill...@fokus.fraunhofer.de (work) Blog: http://schily.blogspot.com/ URL: http://cdrecord.berlios.de/private/ ftp://ftp.berlios.de/pub/schily ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/zfs-discuss
Re: [zfs-discuss] Fixing Wikipedia tmpfs article (was Re: Which directories must be part of rpool?)
Frank Middleton f.middle...@apogeect.com wrote: On 09/28/09 03:00 AM, Joerg Schilling wrote: I am not sure whether my changes will be kept as wikipedia prefers to keep badly quoted wrong information before correct information supplied by people who have first hand information. They actually disallow first hand information. Everything on Wikipedia is supposed to be confirmed by secondary or tertiary sources. That's why I This is why wikipedia is wrong in mny cases :-( asked if there was any supporting documentation - papers, manuals, proceedings, whatever, that describe the introduction of tmpfs before 1990. If you were to write a personal page (in Wikipedia if you like) IIR, there was a talk about tmpfs on the Sun User Group meeting around december 6th in San Jose in 1987. Maybe someone finds the proceedings. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Reliable_sources Wikipedia also has a lofi page (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lofi) that redirects to loop mount. It has no historical section at all... There is no fbk (file system) page. It is bad practise to advertize own projects on wikipedia. Jörg -- EMail:jo...@schily.isdn.cs.tu-berlin.de (home) Jörg Schilling D-13353 Berlin j...@cs.tu-berlin.de(uni) joerg.schill...@fokus.fraunhofer.de (work) Blog: http://schily.blogspot.com/ URL: http://cdrecord.berlios.de/private/ ftp://ftp.berlios.de/pub/schily ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/zfs-discuss
[zfs-discuss] Fixing Wikipedia tmpfs article (was Re: Which directories must be part of rpool?)
On 09/27/09 11:25 AM, Joerg Schilling wrote: Frank Middletonf.middle...@apogeect.com wrote: Could you fix the Wikipedia article? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TMPFS it first appeared in SunOS 4.1, released in March 1990 It appeared with SunOS-4.0. The official release was probably Februars 1987, but there have been betas before IIRC. Do you have any references one could quote so that the Wikipedia article can be corrected? The section on Solaris is rather skimpy and could do with some work... AFAIK this has nothing to do with ZFS. I wonder if we should move it to another discussion. Apologies to the OP for hijacking your thread, although I think the original question has been answered only too thoroughly :-) Cheers -- Frank ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/zfs-discuss
