Re: [zfs-discuss] Server with 4 drives, how to configure ZFS?

2011-06-30 Thread Nomen Nescio
Actually, you do want /usr and much of /var on the root pool, they are integral parts of the svc:/filesystem/local needed to bring up your system to a useable state (regardless of whether the other pools are working or not). Ok. I have my feelings on that topic but they may not be as relevant

Re: [zfs-discuss] Server with 4 drives, how to configure ZFS?

2011-06-27 Thread Jim Klimov
- Исходное сообщение - От: Dave U. Random anonym...@anonymitaet-im-inter.net Дата: Tuesday, June 21, 2011 18:32 Тема: Re: [zfs-discuss] Server with 4 drives, how to configure ZFS? Кому (To): zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org Hello Jim! I understood ZFS doesn't like slices but from your

Re: [zfs-discuss] Server with 4 drives, how to configure ZFS?

2011-06-27 Thread Jim Klimov
In this setup that will install everything on the root mirror so I will have to move things around later? Like /var and /usr or whatever I don't want on the root mirror? Actually, you do want /usr and much of /var on the root pool, they are integral parts of the svc:/filesystem/local needed

Re: [zfs-discuss] Server with 4 drives, how to configure ZFS?

2011-06-27 Thread Jim Klimov
Hello Bob! Thanks for the reply. I was thinking about going with a 3 way mirror and a hot spare. Keep in mind that you can have problems in Sol10u8 if you use a mirror+spare config for the root pool. Should be fixed in u9. But I don't think I can upgrade to larger drives unless I do it

Re: [zfs-discuss] Server with 4 drives, how to configure ZFS?

2011-06-23 Thread Dave U . Random
Edward Ned Harvey opensolarisisdeadlongliveopensola...@nedharvey.com wrote: Well ... Slice all 4 drives into 13G and 60G. Use a mirror of 13G for the rpool. Use 4x 60G in some way (raidz, or stripe of mirrors) for tank Use a mirror of 13G appended to tank Hi Edward! Thanks for your post. I

Re: [zfs-discuss] Server with 4 drives, how to configure ZFS?

2011-06-23 Thread Nomen Nescio
Hello Bob! Thanks for the reply. I was thinking about going with a 3 way mirror and a hot spare. But I don't think I can upgrade to larger drives unless I do it all at once, is that correct? ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org

Re: [zfs-discuss] Server with 4 drives, how to configure ZFS?

2011-06-23 Thread Paul Kraus
On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 12:48 AM, Nomen Nescio nob...@dizum.com wrote: Hello Bob! Thanks for the reply. I was thinking about going with a 3 way mirror and a hot spare. But I don't think I can upgrade to larger drives unless I do it all at once, is that correct? Why keep one out as a Hot

Re: [zfs-discuss] Server with 4 drives, how to configure ZFS?

2011-06-23 Thread Craig Cory
Paul Kraus wrote: On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 12:48 AM, Nomen Nescio nob...@dizum.com wrote: Hello Bob! Thanks for the reply. I was thinking about going with a 3 way mirror and a hot spare. But I don't think I can upgrade to larger drives unless I do it all at once, is that correct? Why

Re: [zfs-discuss] Server with 4 drives, how to configure ZFS?

2011-06-23 Thread Cindy Swearingen
Hi Dave, Consider the easiest configuration first and it will probably save you time and money in the long run, like this: 73g x 73g mirror (one large s0 on each disk) - rpool 73g x 73g mirror (use whole disks) - data pool Then, get yourself two replacement disks, a good backup strategy, and

Re: [zfs-discuss] Server with 4 drives, how to configure ZFS?

2011-06-23 Thread Anonymous Remailer (austria)
Hi Dave, Hi Cindy. Consider the easiest configuration first and it will probably save you time and money in the long run, like this: 73g x 73g mirror (one large s0 on each disk) - rpool 73g x 73g mirror (use whole disks) - data pool Then, get yourself two replacement disks, a good

Re: [zfs-discuss] Server with 4 drives, how to configure ZFS?

2011-06-23 Thread Edward Ned Harvey
From: zfs-discuss-boun...@opensolaris.org [mailto:zfs-discuss- boun...@opensolaris.org] On Behalf Of Nomen Nescio Hello Bob! Thanks for the reply. I was thinking about going with a 3 way mirror and a hot spare. But I don't think I can upgrade to larger drives unless I do it all at once, is

Re: [zfs-discuss] Server with 4 drives, how to configure ZFS?

2011-06-23 Thread Edward Ned Harvey
From: zfs-discuss-boun...@opensolaris.org [mailto:zfs-discuss- boun...@opensolaris.org] On Behalf Of Dave U.Random If I am going to make a new install of Solaris 10 does it give me the option to slice and dice my disks and to issue zpool commands? No way that I know of, to install Solaris

Re: [zfs-discuss] Server with 4 drives, how to configure ZFS?

2011-06-22 Thread Dave U . Random
Hello! I don't see the problem. Install the OS onto a mirrored partition, and configure all the remaining storage however you like - raid or mirror or watever. I didn't understand your point of view until I read the next paragraph. My personal preference, assuming 4 disks, since the OS is

Re: [zfs-discuss] Server with 4 drives, how to configure ZFS?

2011-06-22 Thread Edward Ned Harvey
From: zfs-discuss-boun...@opensolaris.org [mailto:zfs-discuss- boun...@opensolaris.org] On Behalf Of Dave U.Random My personal preference, assuming 4 disks, since the OS is mostly reads and only a little bit of writes, is to create a 4-way mirrored 100G partition for the OS, and the

Re: [zfs-discuss] Server with 4 drives, how to configure ZFS?

2011-06-21 Thread Dave U . Random
Hello Jim! I understood ZFS doesn't like slices but from your reply maybe I should reconsider. I have a few older servers with 4 bays x 73G. If I make a root mirror pool and swap on the other 2 as you suggest, then I would have about 63G x 4 left over. If so then I am back to wondering what to do

Re: [zfs-discuss] Server with 4 drives, how to configure ZFS?

2011-06-21 Thread Nomen Nescio
Hello Marty! With four drives you could also make a RAIDZ3 set, allowing you to have the lowest usable space, poorest performance and worst resilver times possible. That's not funny. I was actually considering this :p But you have to admit, it would probably be somewhat reliable!

Re: [zfs-discuss] Server with 4 drives, how to configure ZFS?

2011-06-21 Thread Tomas Ögren
On 21 June, 2011 - Nomen Nescio sent me these 0,4K bytes: Hello Marty! With four drives you could also make a RAIDZ3 set, allowing you to have the lowest usable space, poorest performance and worst resilver times possible. That's not funny. I was actually considering this :p 4-way

Re: [zfs-discuss] Server with 4 drives, how to configure ZFS?

2011-06-20 Thread Richard Elling
On Jun 15, 2011, at 1:33 PM, Nomen Nescio wrote: Has there been any change to the server hardware with respect to number of drives since ZFS has come out? Many of the servers around still have an even number of drives (2, 4) etc. and it seems far from optimal from a ZFS standpoint. All you

[zfs-discuss] Server with 4 drives, how to configure ZFS?

2011-06-16 Thread Nomen Nescio
Has there been any change to the server hardware with respect to number of drives since ZFS has come out? Many of the servers around still have an even number of drives (2, 4) etc. and it seems far from optimal from a ZFS standpoint. All you can do is make one or two mirrors, or a 3 way mirror and

Re: [zfs-discuss] Server with 4 drives, how to configure ZFS?

2011-06-16 Thread Jim Klimov
As recently discussed on this list, after all ZFS does not care very much for the number of drives in a raidzN set, so optimization is not about stripe alignment and stuff but about number of spindles, resilver times, number of redundancy disks, etc. In my setups with 4 identical drives in a

Re: [zfs-discuss] Server with 4 drives, how to configure ZFS?

2011-06-16 Thread Bob Friesenhahn
On Wed, 15 Jun 2011, Nomen Nescio wrote: Has there been any change to the server hardware with respect to number of drives since ZFS has come out? Many of the servers around still have an even number of drives (2, 4) etc. and it seems far from optimal from a ZFS standpoint. All you can do is

Re: [zfs-discuss] Server with 4 drives, how to configure ZFS?

2011-06-16 Thread Marty Scholes
Has there been any change to the server hardware with respect to number of drives since ZFS has come out? Many of the servers around still have an even number of drives (2, 4) etc. and it seems far from optimal from a ZFS standpoint. All you can do is make one or two mirrors, or a 3 way

Re: [zfs-discuss] Server with 4 drives, how to configure ZFS?

2011-06-16 Thread Eric Sproul
On Wed, Jun 15, 2011 at 4:33 PM, Nomen Nescio nob...@dizum.com wrote: Has there been any change to the server hardware with respect to number of drives since ZFS has come out? Many of the servers around still have an even number of drives (2, 4) etc. and it seems far from optimal from a ZFS

Re: [zfs-discuss] Server with 4 drives, how to configure ZFS?

2011-06-16 Thread Edward Ned Harvey
From: zfs-discuss-boun...@opensolaris.org [mailto:zfs-discuss- boun...@opensolaris.org] On Behalf Of Nomen Nescio Has there been any change to the server hardware with respect to number of drives since ZFS has come out? Many of the servers around still have an even number of drives (2, 4)