Re: [zfs-discuss] x4500...need input and clarity on striped/mirrored configuration

2010-01-25 Thread Miles Nordin
ca == Carsten Aulbert carsten.aulb...@aei.mpg.de writes: ls == Lutz Schumann presa...@storageconcepts.de writes: ca X25-E drives and a converter from 3.5 to 2.5 inches. So far ca two systems have shown pretty bad instabilities with that. instability after crashing or instability while

Re: [zfs-discuss] x4500...need input and clarity on striped/mirrored configuration

2010-01-21 Thread Edward Ned Harvey
zpool create -f testpool mirror c0t0d0 c1t0d0 mirror c4t0d0 c6t0d0 mirror c0t1d0 c1t1d0 mirror c4t1d0 c5t1d0 mirror c6t1d0 c7t1d0 mirror c0t2d0 c1t2d0 mirror c4t2d0 c5t2d0 mirror c6t2d0 c7t2d0 mirror c0t3d0 c1t3d0 mirror c4t3d0 c5t3d0 mirror c6t3d0 c7t3d0 mirror

Re: [zfs-discuss] x4500...need input and clarity on striped/mirrored configuration

2010-01-21 Thread Edward Ned Harvey
Zfs does not strictly support RAID 1+0. However, your sample command will create a pool based on mirror vdevs which is written to in a load-shared fashion (not striped). This type of pool is ideal for Although it's not technically striped according to the RAID definition of striping, it does

Re: [zfs-discuss] x4500...need input and clarity on striped/mirrored configuration

2010-01-21 Thread Carsten Aulbert
On Thursday 21 January 2010 10:29:16 Edward Ned Harvey wrote: zpool create -f testpool mirror c0t0d0 c1t0d0 mirror c4t0d0 c6t0d0 mirror c0t1d0 c1t1d0 mirror c4t1d0 c5t1d0 mirror c6t1d0 c7t1d0 mirror c0t2d0 c1t2d0 mirror c4t2d0 c5t2d0 mirror c6t2d0 c7t2d0 mirror c0t3d0

Re: [zfs-discuss] x4500...need input and clarity on striped/mirrored configuration

2010-01-21 Thread Edward Ned Harvey
zpool create testpool disk1 disk2 disk3 In the traditional sense of RAID, this would create a concatenated data set. The size of the data set is the size of disk1 + disk2 + disk3. However, since this is ZFS, it's not constrained to linearly assigning virtual disk blocks to physical disk blocks

Re: [zfs-discuss] x4500...need input and clarity on striped/mirrored configuration

2010-01-21 Thread Phil Harman
Can ASM match ZFS for checksum and self healing? The reason I ask is that the x45x0 uses inexpensive (less reluable) SATA drives. Even the J4xxx paper you cite uses SAS for production data (only using SATA for Oracle Flash, although I gave my concerns about that too). The thing is, ZFS and

Re: [zfs-discuss] x4500...need input and clarity on striped/mirrored configuration

2010-01-21 Thread John
No. But, that's where the hybrid solution comes in. ASM would be used for the database files and ZFS for the redo/archive logs and undo. Corrupt blocks in the datafiles would be repaired with data from redo during a recovery, and ZFS should give you assurance that the redo didn't get corrupted.

Re: [zfs-discuss] x4500...need input and clarity on striped/mirrored configuration

2010-01-21 Thread Bob Friesenhahn
On Thu, 21 Jan 2010, Edward Ned Harvey wrote: Although it's not technically striped according to the RAID definition of striping, it does achieve the same performance result (actually better) so people will generally refer to this as striping anyway. People will say a lot of things, but that

Re: [zfs-discuss] x4500...need input and clarity on striped/mirrored configuration

2010-01-21 Thread Brad
Did you buy the SSDs directly from Sun? I've heard there could possibly be firmware that's vendor specific for the X25-E. -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org

Re: [zfs-discuss] x4500...need input and clarity on striped/mirrored configuration

2010-01-21 Thread Carsten Aulbert
Hi On Friday 22 January 2010 07:04:06 Brad wrote: Did you buy the SSDs directly from Sun? I've heard there could possibly be firmware that's vendor specific for the X25-E. No. So far I've heard that they are not readily available as certification procedures are still underway (apart from

[zfs-discuss] x4500...need input and clarity on striped/mirrored configuration

2010-01-20 Thread Brad
Can anyone recommend a optimum and redundant striped configuration for a X4500? We'll be using it for a OLTP (Oracle) database and will need best performance. Is it also true that the reads will be load-balanced across the mirrors? Is this considered a raid 1+0 configuration? zpool create

Re: [zfs-discuss] x4500...need input and clarity on striped/mirrored configuration

2010-01-20 Thread Bob Friesenhahn
On Wed, 20 Jan 2010, Brad wrote: Can anyone recommend a optimum and redundant striped configuration for a X4500? We'll be using it for a OLTP (Oracle) database and will need best performance. Is it also true that the reads will be load-balanced across the mirrors? Is this considered a

Re: [zfs-discuss] x4500...need input and clarity on striped/mirrored configuration

2010-01-20 Thread John
Have you looked at using Oracle ASM instead of or with ZFS? Recent Sun docs concerning the F5100 seem to recommend a hybrid of both. If you don't go that route, generally you should separate redo logs from actual data so they don't compete for I/O, since a redo switch lagging hangs the

Re: [zfs-discuss] x4500...need input and clarity on striped/mirrored configuration

2010-01-20 Thread Brad
@hortnon - ASM is not within the scope of this project. -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/zfs-discuss

Re: [zfs-discuss] x4500...need input and clarity on striped/mirrored configuration

2010-01-20 Thread Brad
Zfs does not do striping across vdevs, but its load share approach will write based on (roughly) a round-robin basis, but will also prefer a less loaded vdev when under a heavy write load, or will prefer to write to an empty vdev rather than write to an almost full one. I'm trying to visualize

Re: [zfs-discuss] x4500...need input and clarity on striped/mirrored configuration

2010-01-20 Thread Brad
I was reading your old posts about load-shares http://opensolaris.org/jive/thread.jspa?messageID=294580#294580 . So between raidz and load-share striping, raidz stripes a file system block evenly across each vdev but with load sharing the file system block is written on a vdev that's not

Re: [zfs-discuss] x4500...need input and clarity on striped/mirrored configuration

2010-01-20 Thread Richard Elling
On Jan 20, 2010, at 8:14 PM, Brad wrote: I was reading your old posts about load-shares http://opensolaris.org/jive/thread.jspa?messageID=294580#294580 . So between raidz and load-share striping, raidz stripes a file system block evenly across each vdev but with load sharing the file