[zfs-discuss] Dedicated server running ESXi with no RAID card, ZFS for storage?

2012-11-07 Thread Tiernan OToole
Morning all... I have a Dedicated server in a data center in Germany, and it has 2 3TB drives, but only software RAID. I have got them to install VMWare ESXi and so far everything is going ok... I have the 2 drives as standard data stores... But i am paranoid... So, i installed Nexenta as a VM,

Re: [zfs-discuss] Dedicated server running ESXi with no RAID card, ZFS for storage?

2012-11-07 Thread Sašo Kiselkov
On 11/07/2012 12:39 PM, Tiernan OToole wrote: Morning all... I have a Dedicated server in a data center in Germany, and it has 2 3TB drives, but only software RAID. I have got them to install VMWare ESXi and so far everything is going ok... I have the 2 drives as standard data stores...

Re: [zfs-discuss] Dedicated server running ESXi with no RAID card, ZFS for storage?

2012-11-07 Thread Eugen Leitl
On Wed, Nov 07, 2012 at 12:58:04PM +0100, Sašo Kiselkov wrote: On 11/07/2012 12:39 PM, Tiernan OToole wrote: Morning all... I have a Dedicated server in a data center in Germany, and it has 2 3TB drives, but only software RAID. I have got them to install VMWare ESXi and so far

Re: [zfs-discuss] Dedicated server running ESXi with no RAID card, ZFS for storage?

2012-11-07 Thread Sašo Kiselkov
On 11/07/2012 01:16 PM, Eugen Leitl wrote: I'm very interested, as I'm currently working on an all-in-one with ESXi (using N40L for prototype and zfs send target, and a Supermicro ESXi box for production with guests, all booted from USB internally and zfs snapshot/send source). Well, seeing

Re: [zfs-discuss] Dedicated server running ESXi with no RAID card, ZFS for storage?

2012-11-07 Thread Tiernan OToole
Thanks Eugen. yea, i am with Hetzner, but no hardware passthough... As for ESXi, i am happy with it, but its not booting from USB... its using the disk to boot from... I am thinking of using a USB key to boot from though... just need to figure out how to remotely do this and if i should...

Re: [zfs-discuss] Dedicated server running ESXi with no RAID card, ZFS for storage?

2012-11-07 Thread Eugen Leitl
On Wed, Nov 07, 2012 at 01:33:41PM +0100, Sašo Kiselkov wrote: On 11/07/2012 01:16 PM, Eugen Leitl wrote: I'm very interested, as I'm currently working on an all-in-one with ESXi (using N40L for prototype and zfs send target, and a Supermicro ESXi box for production with guests, all booted

Re: [zfs-discuss] Dedicated server running ESXi with no RAID card, ZFS for storage?

2012-11-07 Thread Edward Ned Harvey (opensolarisisdeadlongliveopensolaris)
From: zfs-discuss-boun...@opensolaris.org [mailto:zfs-discuss- boun...@opensolaris.org] On Behalf Of Tiernan OToole I have a Dedicated server in a data center in Germany, and it has 2 3TB drives, but only software RAID. I have got them to install VMWare ESXi and so far everything is going

Re: [zfs-discuss] Dedicated server running ESXi with no RAID card, ZFS for storage?

2012-11-07 Thread Dan Swartzendruber
On 11/7/2012 10:02 AM, Edward Ned Harvey (opensolarisisdeadlongliveopensolaris) wrote: I formerly did exactly the same thing. Of course performance is abysmal because you're booting a guest VM to share storage back to the host where the actual VM's run. Not to mention, there's the startup

Re: [zfs-discuss] Dedicated server running ESXi with no RAID card, ZFS for storage?

2012-11-07 Thread Edmund White
Same thing here. With the right setup, an all-in-one system based on VMWare can be very solid and perform well. I've documented my process here: http://serverfault.com/a/398579/13325 But I'm surprised at the negative comments about VMWare in this context. I can't see how Virtual Box would run

Re: [zfs-discuss] Dedicated server running ESXi with no RAID card, ZFS for storage?

2012-11-07 Thread Dan Swartzendruber
On 11/7/2012 10:53 AM, Edmund White wrote: Same thing here. With the right setup, an all-in-one system based on VMWare can be very solid and perform well. I've documented my process here: http://serverfault.com/a/398579/13325 But I'm surprised at the negative comments about VMWare in this

Re: [zfs-discuss] Dedicated server running ESXi with no RAID card, ZFS for storage?

2012-11-07 Thread Jim Klimov
On 2012-11-07 16:02, Edward Ned Harvey (opensolarisisdeadlongliveopensolaris) wrote: From: zfs-discuss-boun...@opensolaris.org [mailto:zfs-discuss- boun...@opensolaris.org] On Behalf Of Tiernan OToole I have a Dedicated server in a data center in Germany, and it has 2 3TB drives, but only

Re: [zfs-discuss] Dedicated server running ESXi with no RAID card, ZFS for storage?

2012-11-07 Thread Edward Ned Harvey (opensolarisisdeadlongliveopensolaris)
From: Dan Swartzendruber [mailto:dswa...@druber.com] I'm curious here. Your experience is 180 degrees opposite from mine. I run an all in one in production and I get native disk performance, and ESXi virtual disk I/O is faster than with a physical SAN/NAS for the NFS datastore, since the

Re: [zfs-discuss] Dedicated server running ESXi with no RAID card, ZFS for storage?

2012-11-07 Thread Edward Ned Harvey (opensolarisisdeadlongliveopensolaris)
From: Edward Ned Harvey (opensolarisisdeadlongliveopensolaris) Stuff like that. I could go on, but it basically comes down to: With openindiana, you can do a lot more than you can with ESXi. Because it's a complete OS. You simply have more freedom, better performance, less maintenance,