Re: [zfs-discuss] Best choice - file system for system

2011-01-31 Thread Joerg Schilling
Torrey McMahon tmcmah...@yahoo.com wrote: On 1/30/2011 5:26 PM, Joerg Schilling wrote: Richard Ellingrichard.ell...@gmail.com wrote: ufsdump is the problem, not ufsrestore. If you ufsdump an active file system, there is no guarantee you can ufsrestore it. The only way to guarantee

Re: [zfs-discuss] Best choice - file system for system

2011-01-31 Thread Mark Sandrock
Why do you say fssnap has the same problem? If it write locks the file system, it is only for a matter of seconds, as I recall. Years ago, I used it on a daily basis to do ufsdumps of large fs'es. Mark On Jan 30, 2011, at 5:41 PM, Torrey McMahon wrote: On 1/30/2011 5:26 PM, Joerg Schilling

Re: [zfs-discuss] Best choice - file system for system

2011-01-31 Thread Mark Sandrock
iirc, we would notify the user community that the FS'es were going to hang briefly. Locking the FS'es is the best way to quiesce it, when users are worldwide, imo. Mark On Jan 31, 2011, at 9:45 AM, Torrey McMahon wrote: A matter of seconds is a long time for a running Oracle database. The

Re: [zfs-discuss] Best choice - file system for system

2011-01-30 Thread Peter Jeremy
On 2011-Jan-28 21:37:50 +0800, Edward Ned Harvey opensolarisisdeadlongliveopensola...@nedharvey.com wrote: 2- When you want to restore, it's all or nothing. If a single bit is corrupt in the data stream, the whole stream is lost. Regarding point #2, I contend that zfs send is better than

Re: [zfs-discuss] Best choice - file system for system

2011-01-30 Thread Fajar A. Nugraha
On Mon, Jan 31, 2011 at 3:47 AM, Peter Jeremy peter.jer...@alcatel-lucent.com wrote: On 2011-Jan-28 21:37:50 +0800, Edward Ned Harvey opensolarisisdeadlongliveopensola...@nedharvey.com wrote: 2- When you want to restore, it's all or nothing.  If a single bit is corrupt in the data stream, the

Re: [zfs-discuss] Best choice - file system for system

2011-01-30 Thread Torrey McMahon
On 1/30/2011 5:26 PM, Joerg Schilling wrote: Richard Ellingrichard.ell...@gmail.com wrote: ufsdump is the problem, not ufsrestore. If you ufsdump an active file system, there is no guarantee you can ufsrestore it. The only way to guarantee this is to keep the file system quiesced during the

Re: [zfs-discuss] Best choice - file system for system

2011-01-30 Thread Edward Ned Harvey
From: Peter Jeremy [mailto:peter.jer...@alcatel-lucent.com] Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2011 3:48 PM 2- When you want to restore, it's all or nothing. If a single bit is corrupt in the data stream, the whole stream is lost. OTOH, it renders ZFS send useless for backup or archival purposes.

Re: [zfs-discuss] Best choice - file system for system

2011-01-28 Thread Edward Ned Harvey
From: zfs-discuss-boun...@opensolaris.org [mailto:zfs-discuss- boun...@opensolaris.org] On Behalf Of Tristram Scott When it comes to dumping and restoring filesystems, there is still no official replacement for the ufsdump and ufsrestore. Let's go into that a little bit. If you're piping

Re: [zfs-discuss] Best choice - file system for system

2011-01-28 Thread Evaldas Auryla
On 01/28/11 02:37 PM, Edward Ned Harvey wrote: Let's go into that a little bit. If you're piping zfs send directly into zfs receive, then it is an ideal backup method. But not everybody can afford the disk necessary to do that, so people are tempted to zfs send to a file or tape. There are

Re: [zfs-discuss] Best choice - file system for system

2011-01-28 Thread Darren J Moffat
On 28/01/2011 13:37, Edward Ned Harvey wrote: From: zfs-discuss-boun...@opensolaris.org [mailto:zfs-discuss- boun...@opensolaris.org] On Behalf Of Tristram Scott When it comes to dumping and restoring filesystems, there is still no official replacement for the ufsdump and ufsrestore. Let's

Re: [zfs-discuss] Best choice - file system for system

2011-01-28 Thread Richard Elling
On Jan 27, 2011, at 4:34 AM, Tristram Scott wrote: I don't disagree that zfs is the better choice, but... Seriously though. UFS is dead. It has no advantage over ZFS that I'm aware of. When it comes to dumping and restoring filesystems, there is still no official replacement for the

Re: [zfs-discuss] Best choice - file system for system

2011-01-27 Thread Tristram Scott
I don't disagree that zfs is the better choice, but... Seriously though. UFS is dead. It has no advantage over ZFS that I'm aware of. When it comes to dumping and restoring filesystems, there is still no official replacement for the ufsdump and ufsrestore. The discussion has been had

[zfs-discuss] Best choice - file system for system

2010-12-08 Thread Albert
Hi, I wonder what is the better option to install the system on solaris ufs and zfs sensitive data on whether this is the best all on zfs? What are the pros and cons of such a solution? f...@ll ___ zfs-discuss mailing list

Re: [zfs-discuss] Best choice - file system for system

2010-12-08 Thread Bob Friesenhahn
On Wed, 8 Dec 2010, Albert wrote: I wonder what is the better option to install the system on solaris ufs and zfs sensitive data on whether this is the best all on zfs? What are the pros and cons of such a solution? The best choice is usually to install with zfs root on a mirrored pair of

Re: [zfs-discuss] Best choice - file system for system

2010-12-08 Thread Edward Ned Harvey
From: zfs-discuss-boun...@opensolaris.org [mailto:zfs-discuss- boun...@opensolaris.org] On Behalf Of Bob Friesenhahn The best choice is usually to install with zfs root on a mirrored pair of disks. UFS is going away as a boot option. UFS is already unavailable as a boot option. It's only

Re: [zfs-discuss] Best choice - file system for system

2010-12-08 Thread Jerry Kemp
The only situation I can think of where UFS would be advantageous over ZFS might be in a low memory situation. ZFS loves memory. But to answer the original question, ZFS is where you want to be. Jerry On 12/08/10 20:56, Edward Ned Harvey wrote: From: zfs-discuss-boun...@opensolaris.org