Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS forks (Was: LZO compression?)
Accessibility of the data is also a reason, in dual boot scenarios. Doesn't need to be a native Windows driver, but something that still ties into the Explorer. There's still the option of running Solaris in VMware, but that's a bit heavy handed. -mg TT You like Windows /that much/ ? Note Sun isn't doing the OS X port, TT Apple is. It has nothing to do if I like it or not. It's the question if ZFS could become default file system on most important platform. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/zfs-discuss
Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS forks (Was: LZO compression?)
Windows has a user mode driver frame work thingy - came across it recently in the lsit of services on my XP box. Perhaps this could be used to host a ZFS driver on Windows? Andrew. This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/zfs-discuss
Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS forks (Was: LZO compression?)
Hello Toby, Thursday, July 26, 2007, 6:18:46 PM, you wrote: TT On 26-Jul-07, at 1:24 PM, Robert Milkowski wrote: Hello Matthew, Thursday, July 26, 2007, 2:56:32 PM, you wrote: MA Robert Milkowski wrote: Hello Matthew, Monday, June 18, 2007, 7:28:35 PM, you wrote: MA FYI, we're already working with engineers on some other ports to ensure MA on-disk compatability. Those changes are going smoothly. So please, MA contact us if you want to make (or want us to make) on-disk changes to ZFS MA for your port or distro. We aren't that difficult to work with :-) If it's not secret - can you say what ports are you talking about? MA Primarily the MacOS X port. Thank you. ps. so not windows port? :))) or maybe windows is secondary one :) TT You like Windows /that much/ ? Note Sun isn't doing the OS X port, TT Apple is. It has nothing to do if I like it or not. It's the question if ZFS could become default file system on most important platform. -- Best regards, Robertmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://milek.blogspot.com ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/zfs-discuss
Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS forks (Was: LZO compression?)
Robert Milkowski wrote: Hello Matthew, Monday, June 18, 2007, 7:28:35 PM, you wrote: MA FYI, we're already working with engineers on some other ports to ensure MA on-disk compatability. Those changes are going smoothly. So please, MA contact us if you want to make (or want us to make) on-disk changes to ZFS MA for your port or distro. We aren't that difficult to work with :-) If it's not secret - can you say what ports are you talking about? Primarily the MacOS X port. --matt ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/zfs-discuss
Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS forks (Was: LZO compression?)
Hello Matthew, Thursday, July 26, 2007, 2:56:32 PM, you wrote: MA Robert Milkowski wrote: Hello Matthew, Monday, June 18, 2007, 7:28:35 PM, you wrote: MA FYI, we're already working with engineers on some other ports to ensure MA on-disk compatability. Those changes are going smoothly. So please, MA contact us if you want to make (or want us to make) on-disk changes to ZFS MA for your port or distro. We aren't that difficult to work with :-) If it's not secret - can you say what ports are you talking about? MA Primarily the MacOS X port. Thank you. ps. so not windows port? :))) or maybe windows is secondary one :) -- Best regards, Robertmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://milek.blogspot.com ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/zfs-discuss
Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS forks (Was: LZO compression?)
Hello Matthew, Monday, June 18, 2007, 7:28:35 PM, you wrote: MA FYI, we're already working with engineers on some other ports to ensure MA on-disk compatability. Those changes are going smoothly. So please, MA contact us if you want to make (or want us to make) on-disk changes to ZFS MA for your port or distro. We aren't that difficult to work with :-) If it's not secret - can you say what ports are you talking about? -- Best regards, Robertmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://milek.blogspot.com ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/zfs-discuss
Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS forks (Was: LZO compression?)
On 26-Jul-07, at 1:24 PM, Robert Milkowski wrote: Hello Matthew, Thursday, July 26, 2007, 2:56:32 PM, you wrote: MA Robert Milkowski wrote: Hello Matthew, Monday, June 18, 2007, 7:28:35 PM, you wrote: MA FYI, we're already working with engineers on some other ports to ensure MA on-disk compatability. Those changes are going smoothly. So please, MA contact us if you want to make (or want us to make) on-disk changes to ZFS MA for your port or distro. We aren't that difficult to work with :-) If it's not secret - can you say what ports are you talking about? MA Primarily the MacOS X port. Thank you. ps. so not windows port? :))) or maybe windows is secondary one :) You like Windows /that much/ ? Note Sun isn't doing the OS X port, Apple is. --T -- Best regards, Robertmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://milek.blogspot.com ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/zfs-discuss ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/zfs-discuss
[zfs-discuss] ZFS forks (Was: LZO compression?)
This LZO issue is something that might crop up again and again in different shapes. If ZFS is being adopted on different operating systems, people might start cooking their own soups. What are the plans to keep this under control? What if Unix Variant/Clone X suddenly decides their ZFS code needs to support three new compression schemes as well two new hashes? Disregarding that there doesn't seem to be much merit to that (though LZO seems promising), this could hinder interoperability. Now lets consider a worse case, what if Unix Variant Y thinks it figured out some nice performance tweaks, but requires changes to the on-disk layout? I'm just saying this, because OpenSolaris is the smaller player at the table. Going with the hypothetical scenario where OpenSolaris goes GPLv3 and Linux merging ZFS into the kernel, they could just bully in changes. Maybe I'm just being paranoid, but the point still stands. The filesystem isn't that widely established, so one could be tempted to break things. -mg signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/zfs-discuss
Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS forks (Was: LZO compression?)
On 6/18/07, Mario Goebbels [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Now lets consider a worse case, what if Unix Variant Y thinks it figured out some nice performance tweaks, but requires changes to the on-disk layout? Perhaps a variant on Knuth's TeX license could be used? You can do what you like with it, but if you don't put your additional code under this license, you can't call it ZFS. Will ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/zfs-discuss
Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS forks (Was: LZO compression?)
Mario Goebbels wrote: This LZO issue is something that might crop up again and again in different shapes. If ZFS is being adopted on different operating systems, people might start cooking their own soups. I don't know about any legal restrictions that might or might not be in place to prevent or allow that. Speak to your lawyer. But, as a leader of Sun's ZFS team, and the OpenSolaris ZFS community, I would do everything in my power to prevent the ZFS on-disk format from diverging in different implementations. Let's discuss the issues on this mailing list as they come up, and try to arrive at a conclusion which offers the best ZFS for *all* ZFS users, OpenSolaris or otherwise. In this particular issue, I agree with Adam -- let's see the LZO/ZFS code and go from there. FYI, we're already working with engineers on some other ports to ensure on-disk compatability. Those changes are going smoothly. So please, contact us if you want to make (or want us to make) on-disk changes to ZFS for your port or distro. We aren't that difficult to work with :-) --mat ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/zfs-discuss
