Re: [zfs-discuss] Dedicated server running ESXi with no RAID card, ZFS for storage?

2012-11-17 Thread Edward Ned Harvey (opensolarisisdeadlongliveopensolaris)
From: Edward Ned Harvey (opensolarisisdeadlongliveopensolaris) Found quite a few posts on various forums of people complaining that RDP with external auth doesn't work (or not reliably), Actually, it does work, and it works reliably, but the setup is very much not straightforward.

Re: [zfs-discuss] Dedicated server running ESXi with no RAID card, ZFS for storage?

2012-11-14 Thread dswartz
What was wrong with the suggestion to use VMWare ESXi and Nexenta or OpenIndiana to do this? Sorry I don't know which specific post you refer to? I am already running ESXi with OI on top and serving back to the other guests. Ned made a good point that running a virtualization solution on top

Re: [zfs-discuss] Dedicated server running ESXi with no RAID card, ZFS for storage?

2012-11-14 Thread dswartz
On 11/14/12 15:20, Dan Swartzendruber wrote: Well, I think I give up for now. I spent quite a few hours over the last couple of days trying to get gnome desktop working on bare-metal OI, followed by virtualbox. Supposedly that works in headless mode with RDP for management, but nothing

Re: [zfs-discuss] Dedicated server running ESXi with no RAID card, ZFS for storage?

2012-11-14 Thread Karl Wagner
On 2012-11-14 12:55, dswa...@druber.com wrote: On 11/14/12 15:20, Dan Swartzendruber wrote: Well, I think I give up for now. I spent quite a few hours over the last couple of days trying to get gnome desktop working on bare-metal OI, followed by virtualbox. Supposedly that works in

Re: [zfs-discuss] Dedicated server running ESXi with no RAID card, ZFS for storage?

2012-11-14 Thread Dan Swartzendruber
-Original Message- From: zfs-discuss-boun...@opensolaris.org [mailto:zfs-discuss-boun...@opensolaris.org] On Behalf Of Jim Klimov Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2012 10:08 PM To: zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org Subject: Re: [zfs-discuss] Dedicated server running ESXi with no RAID card, ZFS

Re: [zfs-discuss] Dedicated server running ESXi with no RAID card, ZFS for storage?

2012-11-14 Thread Dan Swartzendruber
-Original Message- From: zfs-discuss-boun...@opensolaris.org [mailto:zfs-discuss-boun...@opensolaris.org] On Behalf Of Jim Klimov Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2012 10:08 PM To: zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org Subject: Re: [zfs-discuss] Dedicated server running ESXi with no RAID card, ZFS

Re: [zfs-discuss] Dedicated server running ESXi with no RAID card, ZFS for storage?

2012-11-14 Thread Edward Ned Harvey (opensolarisisdeadlongliveopensolaris)
From: zfs-discuss-boun...@opensolaris.org [mailto:zfs-discuss- boun...@opensolaris.org] On Behalf Of Dan Swartzendruber Well, I think I give up for now. I spent quite a few hours over the last couple of days trying to get gnome desktop working on bare-metal OI, followed by virtualbox. I

Re: [zfs-discuss] Dedicated server running ESXi with no RAID card, ZFS for storage?

2012-11-14 Thread Dan Swartzendruber
On 11/14/2012 9:44 AM, Edward Ned Harvey (opensolarisisdeadlongliveopensolaris) wrote: From: zfs-discuss-boun...@opensolaris.org [mailto:zfs-discuss- boun...@opensolaris.org] On Behalf Of Dan Swartzendruber Well, I think I give up for now. I spent quite a few hours over the last couple of days

Re: [zfs-discuss] Dedicated server running ESXi with no RAID card, ZFS for storage?

2012-11-14 Thread Dan Swartzendruber
On 11/14/2012 9:44 AM, Edward Ned Harvey (opensolarisisdeadlongliveopensolaris) wrote: From: zfs-discuss-boun...@opensolaris.org [mailto:zfs-discuss- boun...@opensolaris.org] On Behalf Of Dan Swartzendruber Well, I think I give up for now. I spent quite a few hours over the last couple of days

Re: [zfs-discuss] Dedicated server running ESXi with no RAID card, ZFS for storage?

2012-11-13 Thread Dan Swartzendruber
Well, I think I give up for now. I spent quite a few hours over the last couple of days trying to get gnome desktop working on bare-metal OI, followed by virtualbox. Supposedly that works in headless mode with RDP for management, but nothing but fail for me. Found quite a few posts on various

Re: [zfs-discuss] Dedicated server running ESXi with no RAID card, ZFS for storage?

2012-11-13 Thread Ian Collins
On 11/14/12 15:20, Dan Swartzendruber wrote: Well, I think I give up for now. I spent quite a few hours over the last couple of days trying to get gnome desktop working on bare-metal OI, followed by virtualbox. Supposedly that works in headless mode with RDP for management, but nothing but

Re: [zfs-discuss] Dedicated server running ESXi with no RAID card, ZFS for storage?

2012-11-13 Thread Jim Klimov
On 2012-11-14 03:20, Dan Swartzendruber wrote: Well, I think I give up for now. I spent quite a few hours over the last couple of days trying to get gnome desktop working on bare-metal OI, followed by virtualbox. Supposedly that works in headless mode with RDP for management, but nothing but

Re: [zfs-discuss] Dedicated server running ESXi with no RAID card, ZFS for storage?

2012-11-13 Thread Edmund White
What was wrong with the suggestion to use VMWare ESXi and Nexenta or OpenIndiana to do this? -- Edmund White On 11/13/12 8:20 PM, Dan Swartzendruber dswa...@druber.com wrote: Well, I think I give up for now. I spent quite a few hours over the last couple of days trying to get gnome

Re: [zfs-discuss] Dedicated server running ESXi with no RAID card, ZFS for storage?

2012-11-09 Thread Karl Wagner
On 2012-11-08 17:49, Edward Ned Harvey (opensolarisisdeadlongliveopensolaris) wrote: From: zfs-discuss-boun...@opensolaris.org [1] [mailto:zfs-discuss- boun...@opensolaris.org [2]] On Behalf Of Karl Wagner I am just wondering why you export the ZFS system through NFS? I have had much better

Re: [zfs-discuss] Dedicated server running ESXi with no RAID card, ZFS for storage?

2012-11-09 Thread Eugen Leitl
On Thu, Nov 08, 2012 at 04:57:21AM +, Edward Ned Harvey (opensolarisisdeadlongliveopensolaris) wrote: Yes you can, with the help of Dell, install OMSA to get the web interface to manage the PERC. But it's a pain, and there is no equivalent option for most HBA's. Specifcally, on my

Re: [zfs-discuss] Dedicated server running ESXi with no RAID card, ZFS for storage?

2012-11-09 Thread Edward Ned Harvey (opensolarisisdeadlongliveopensolaris)
From: Dan Swartzendruber [mailto:dswa...@druber.com] I have to admit Ned's (what do I call you?)idea is interesting. I may give it a try... Yup, officially Edward, most people call me Ned. I contributed to the OI VirtualBox instructions. See here: http://wiki.openindiana.org/oi/VirtualBox

Re: [zfs-discuss] Dedicated server running ESXi with no RAID card, ZFS for storage?

2012-11-09 Thread Edward Ned Harvey (opensolarisisdeadlongliveopensolaris)
From: Karl Wagner [mailto:k...@mouse-hole.com] If I was doing this now, I would probably use the ZFS aware OS bare metal, but I still think I would use iSCSI to export the ZVols (mainly due to the ability to use it across a real network, hence allowing guests to be migrated simply) Yes,

Re: [zfs-discuss] Dedicated server running ESXi with no RAID card, ZFS for storage?

2012-11-09 Thread Edward Ned Harvey (opensolarisisdeadlongliveopensolaris)
From: zfs-discuss-boun...@opensolaris.org [mailto:zfs-discuss- boun...@opensolaris.org] On Behalf Of Eugen Leitl On Thu, Nov 08, 2012 at 04:57:21AM +, Edward Ned Harvey (opensolarisisdeadlongliveopensolaris) wrote: Yes you can, with the help of Dell, install OMSA to get the web

Re: [zfs-discuss] Dedicated server running ESXi with no RAID card, ZFS for storage?

2012-11-09 Thread Jim Klimov
On 2012-11-09 16:14, Edward Ned Harvey (opensolarisisdeadlongliveopensolaris) wrote: From: Karl Wagner [mailto:k...@mouse-hole.com] If I was doing this now, I would probably use the ZFS aware OS bare metal, but I still think I would use iSCSI to export the ZVols (mainly due to the ability to

Re: [zfs-discuss] Dedicated server running ESXi with no RAID card, ZFS for storage?

2012-11-09 Thread Jim Klimov
On 2012-11-09 16:11, Edward Ned Harvey (opensolarisisdeadlongliveopensolaris) wrote: From: Dan Swartzendruber [mailto:dswa...@druber.com] I have to admit Ned's (what do I call you?)idea is interesting. I may give it a try... Yup, officially Edward, most people call me Ned. I contributed to

Re: [zfs-discuss] Dedicated server running ESXi with no RAID card, ZFS for storage?

2012-11-08 Thread Jim Klimov
On 2012-11-08 05:43, Edward Ned Harvey (opensolarisisdeadlongliveopensolaris) wrote: you've got a Linux or Windows VM isnide of ESX, which is writing to a virtual disk, which ESX is then wrapping up inside NFS and TCP, talking on the virtual LAN to the ZFS server, which unwraps the TCP and

Re: [zfs-discuss] Dedicated server running ESXi with no RAID card, ZFS for storage?

2012-11-08 Thread Karl Wagner
On 2012-11-08 4:43, Edward Ned Harvey (opensolarisisdeadlongliveopensolaris) wrote: When I said performance was abysmal, I meant, if you dig right down and pressure the system for throughput to disk, you've got a Linux or Windows VM isnide of ESX, which is writing to a virtual disk, which

Re: [zfs-discuss] Dedicated server running ESXi with no RAID card, ZFS for storage?

2012-11-08 Thread Dan Swartzendruber
; zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org Subject: RE: [zfs-discuss] Dedicated server running ESXi with no RAID card, ZFS for storage? From: Dan Swartzendruber [mailto:dswa...@druber.com] I'm curious here. Your experience is 180 degrees opposite from mine. I run an all in one in production and I get

Re: [zfs-discuss] Dedicated server running ESXi with no RAID card, ZFS for storage?

2012-11-08 Thread Edward Ned Harvey (opensolarisisdeadlongliveopensolaris)
From: zfs-discuss-boun...@opensolaris.org [mailto:zfs-discuss- boun...@opensolaris.org] On Behalf Of Jim Klimov the VM running a ZFS OS enjoys PCI-pass-through, so it gets dedicated hardware access to the HBA(s) and harddisks at raw speeds, with no extra layers of lags in between. Ah.

Re: [zfs-discuss] Dedicated server running ESXi with no RAID card, ZFS for storage?

2012-11-08 Thread Edward Ned Harvey (opensolarisisdeadlongliveopensolaris)
From: zfs-discuss-boun...@opensolaris.org [mailto:zfs-discuss- boun...@opensolaris.org] On Behalf Of Karl Wagner I am just wondering why you export the ZFS system through NFS? I have had much better results (albeit spending more time setting up) using iSCSI. I found that performance was

Re: [zfs-discuss] Dedicated server running ESXi with no RAID card, ZFS for storage?

2012-11-08 Thread Dan Swartzendruber
On 11/8/2012 12:35 PM, Edward Ned Harvey (opensolarisisdeadlongliveopensolaris) wrote: From: zfs-discuss-boun...@opensolaris.org [mailto:zfs-discuss- boun...@opensolaris.org] On Behalf Of Jim Klimov the VM running a ZFS OS enjoys PCI-pass-through, so it gets dedicated hardware access to the

Re: [zfs-discuss] Dedicated server running ESXi with no RAID card, ZFS for storage?

2012-11-08 Thread Dan Swartzendruber
On 11/8/2012 12:35 PM, Edward Ned Harvey (opensolarisisdeadlongliveopensolaris) wrote: From: zfs-discuss-boun...@opensolaris.org [mailto:zfs-discuss- boun...@opensolaris.org] On Behalf Of Jim Klimov the VM running a ZFS OS enjoys PCI-pass-through, so it gets dedicated hardware access to the

Re: [zfs-discuss] Dedicated server running ESXi with no RAID card, ZFS for storage?

2012-11-08 Thread Edward Ned Harvey (opensolarisisdeadlongliveopensolaris)
From: Dan Swartzendruber [mailto:dswa...@druber.com] Now you have me totally confused. How does your setup get data from the guest to the OI box? If thru a wire, if it's gig-e, it's going to be 1/3-1/2 the speed of the other way. If you're saying you use 10gig or some-such, we're talking

Re: [zfs-discuss] Dedicated server running ESXi with no RAID card, ZFS for storage?

2012-11-08 Thread Dan Swartzendruber
On 11/8/2012 1:41 PM, Edward Ned Harvey (opensolarisisdeadlongliveopensolaris) wrote: From: Dan Swartzendruber [mailto:dswa...@druber.com] Now you have me totally confused. How does your setup get data from the guest to the OI box? If thru a wire, if it's gig-e, it's going to be 1/3-1/2 the

Re: [zfs-discuss] Dedicated server running ESXi with no RAID card, ZFS for storage?

2012-11-08 Thread Dan Swartzendruber
wait my brain caught up with my fingers :) the guest is running on the same host, so there is no virtual switch in this setup. i'm still going to try the vmxnet3 and see what difference it makes... ___ zfs-discuss mailing list

Re: [zfs-discuss] Dedicated server running ESXi with no RAID card, ZFS for storage?

2012-11-08 Thread Dan Swartzendruber
I have to admit Ned's (what do I call you?)idea is interesting. I may give it a try... ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/zfs-discuss

Re: [zfs-discuss] Dedicated server running ESXi with no RAID card, ZFS for storage?

2012-11-08 Thread Geoff Nordli
Dan, If you are going to do the all in one with vbox, you probably want to look at: http://sourceforge.net/projects/vboxsvc/ It manages the starting/stopping of vbox vms via smf. Kudos to Jim Klimov for creating and maintaining it. Geoff On Thu, Nov 8, 2012 at 7:32 PM, Dan Swartzendruber

Re: [zfs-discuss] Dedicated server running ESXi with no RAID card, ZFS for storage?

2012-11-08 Thread Dan Swartzendruber
That looks sweet, thanks! _ From: zfs-discuss-boun...@opensolaris.org [mailto:zfs-discuss-boun...@opensolaris.org] On Behalf Of Geoff Nordli Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2012 10:51 PM To: ZFS Discussions Subject: Re: [zfs-discuss] Dedicated server running ESXi with no RAID card, ZFS

Re: [zfs-discuss] Dedicated server running ESXi with no RAID card, ZFS for storage?

2012-11-07 Thread Sašo Kiselkov
On 11/07/2012 12:39 PM, Tiernan OToole wrote: Morning all... I have a Dedicated server in a data center in Germany, and it has 2 3TB drives, but only software RAID. I have got them to install VMWare ESXi and so far everything is going ok... I have the 2 drives as standard data stores...

Re: [zfs-discuss] Dedicated server running ESXi with no RAID card, ZFS for storage?

2012-11-07 Thread Eugen Leitl
On Wed, Nov 07, 2012 at 12:58:04PM +0100, Sašo Kiselkov wrote: On 11/07/2012 12:39 PM, Tiernan OToole wrote: Morning all... I have a Dedicated server in a data center in Germany, and it has 2 3TB drives, but only software RAID. I have got them to install VMWare ESXi and so far

Re: [zfs-discuss] Dedicated server running ESXi with no RAID card, ZFS for storage?

2012-11-07 Thread Sašo Kiselkov
On 11/07/2012 01:16 PM, Eugen Leitl wrote: I'm very interested, as I'm currently working on an all-in-one with ESXi (using N40L for prototype and zfs send target, and a Supermicro ESXi box for production with guests, all booted from USB internally and zfs snapshot/send source). Well, seeing

Re: [zfs-discuss] Dedicated server running ESXi with no RAID card, ZFS for storage?

2012-11-07 Thread Tiernan OToole
Thanks Eugen. yea, i am with Hetzner, but no hardware passthough... As for ESXi, i am happy with it, but its not booting from USB... its using the disk to boot from... I am thinking of using a USB key to boot from though... just need to figure out how to remotely do this and if i should...

Re: [zfs-discuss] Dedicated server running ESXi with no RAID card, ZFS for storage?

2012-11-07 Thread Eugen Leitl
On Wed, Nov 07, 2012 at 01:33:41PM +0100, Sašo Kiselkov wrote: On 11/07/2012 01:16 PM, Eugen Leitl wrote: I'm very interested, as I'm currently working on an all-in-one with ESXi (using N40L for prototype and zfs send target, and a Supermicro ESXi box for production with guests, all booted

Re: [zfs-discuss] Dedicated server running ESXi with no RAID card, ZFS for storage?

2012-11-07 Thread Edward Ned Harvey (opensolarisisdeadlongliveopensolaris)
From: zfs-discuss-boun...@opensolaris.org [mailto:zfs-discuss- boun...@opensolaris.org] On Behalf Of Tiernan OToole I have a Dedicated server in a data center in Germany, and it has 2 3TB drives, but only software RAID. I have got them to install VMWare ESXi and so far everything is going

Re: [zfs-discuss] Dedicated server running ESXi with no RAID card, ZFS for storage?

2012-11-07 Thread Dan Swartzendruber
On 11/7/2012 10:02 AM, Edward Ned Harvey (opensolarisisdeadlongliveopensolaris) wrote: I formerly did exactly the same thing. Of course performance is abysmal because you're booting a guest VM to share storage back to the host where the actual VM's run. Not to mention, there's the startup

Re: [zfs-discuss] Dedicated server running ESXi with no RAID card, ZFS for storage?

2012-11-07 Thread Edmund White
Same thing here. With the right setup, an all-in-one system based on VMWare can be very solid and perform well. I've documented my process here: http://serverfault.com/a/398579/13325 But I'm surprised at the negative comments about VMWare in this context. I can't see how Virtual Box would run

Re: [zfs-discuss] Dedicated server running ESXi with no RAID card, ZFS for storage?

2012-11-07 Thread Dan Swartzendruber
On 11/7/2012 10:53 AM, Edmund White wrote: Same thing here. With the right setup, an all-in-one system based on VMWare can be very solid and perform well. I've documented my process here: http://serverfault.com/a/398579/13325 But I'm surprised at the negative comments about VMWare in this

Re: [zfs-discuss] Dedicated server running ESXi with no RAID card, ZFS for storage?

2012-11-07 Thread Jim Klimov
On 2012-11-07 16:02, Edward Ned Harvey (opensolarisisdeadlongliveopensolaris) wrote: From: zfs-discuss-boun...@opensolaris.org [mailto:zfs-discuss- boun...@opensolaris.org] On Behalf Of Tiernan OToole I have a Dedicated server in a data center in Germany, and it has 2 3TB drives, but only

Re: [zfs-discuss] Dedicated server running ESXi with no RAID card, ZFS for storage?

2012-11-07 Thread Edward Ned Harvey (opensolarisisdeadlongliveopensolaris)
From: Dan Swartzendruber [mailto:dswa...@druber.com] I'm curious here. Your experience is 180 degrees opposite from mine. I run an all in one in production and I get native disk performance, and ESXi virtual disk I/O is faster than with a physical SAN/NAS for the NFS datastore, since the

Re: [zfs-discuss] Dedicated server running ESXi with no RAID card, ZFS for storage?

2012-11-07 Thread Edward Ned Harvey (opensolarisisdeadlongliveopensolaris)
From: Edward Ned Harvey (opensolarisisdeadlongliveopensolaris) Stuff like that. I could go on, but it basically comes down to: With openindiana, you can do a lot more than you can with ESXi. Because it's a complete OS. You simply have more freedom, better performance, less maintenance,