Re: [Zim-wiki] Feature suggestion
Hi Mario, Sorry for the long timeout. Can you explain a little bit more what would be the use case for such a tabbed interface? Regards, Jaap On Thu, May 14, 2015 at 9:06 PM, Mario Daniel Carugno carug...@gmail.com wrote: Hi guys I'm a zim user and joined the list because I think zim is one of the best practical tools. Sometimes I feel that a good feature would be that each page could have 'tabs'. Maybe a page would need composed by several pages but spreading them in a horizontal rather than vertical layout. What do you think ? ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~zim-wiki Post to : zim-wiki@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~zim-wiki More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~zim-wiki Post to : zim-wiki@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~zim-wiki More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
[Zim-wiki] Feature suggestion
Hi guys I'm a zim user and joined the list because I think zim is one of the best practical tools. Sometimes I feel that a good feature would be that each page could have 'tabs'. Maybe a page would need composed by several pages but spreading them in a horizontal rather than vertical layout. What do you think ? ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~zim-wiki Post to : zim-wiki@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~zim-wiki More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Zim-wiki] Feature suggestion - outliner
I may be missing a point that is being made in this feature request, but couldn't you do something similar with just simple renaming of sub-pages since ZIM will rename the links for you if you did link pages. For example, your book starts as a single file under a name space: (Namespace) Great Novel (sub-page) book body Realize that your writing has turned into chapters: (Namespace) Great Novel (sub-page) Chapter 1 (sub-page) Chapter 4 Realize that things need to be broken up more: (Namespace) Great Novel (sub-page) 01 Chapter (sub-page) 02 Chapter (sub-page) 04.01 Chapter (sub-page) 04.02 Chapter (sub-page) 04.03 Chapter I mention this because I use a similar system to track all of my open projects. Most of my projects have a date (like meeting prep) or a month in which they need to be completed. So I name all of my projects using date codes that automatically reshuffle and stay in chronological order. (Namespace) Projects (sub-page) 2012-03-01 Faculty Meeting (sub-page) 2012-04 Open House Follow-Up If a date gets changed for a meeting, I simply change the date, and it reshuffles the projects so that it is always in chronological order. | Steve | | mowest...@yahoo.com | From: Ulf Bro ulf@web.de To: zim-wiki@lists.launchpad.net Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2012 3:01 AM Subject: [Zim-wiki] Feature suggestion - outliner I find Zim very useful for saving a lot of data in my everyday situation at work. There are a lot of things to keep in written form somewhere like when the customer wants this and that, then have him fill this form and call that telephone number at these particular weekdays and hours or these things are ordered by this or that company, ordering is sent by fax at Mrs. so and so. Thousands of small details, my data base is growing all the time. One namespace is enough for that. Now there is one additional feature which could be added to zim with only minor programming. If someone is writing a book and just starts to write the book not from the beginning but in the middle then he at some time will determine that his work has now grown to a size that he has to split it in two chapters. Sooner or later he has 5 chapters and some of the things in chapter 2 really belongs in chapter 4 and have to be moved. Then chapter 4 must be split in 3 sections, 4.1, 4.2 ,nd 4.3. Et cetera. For such purposes you normally use an outline editor. Now Zim can do some of that too. You can make pages and sub-pages and move them around like you want to. You can link them to each other or not link them as you like. Just one thing you can't do is to change the order of files appearing in the same namespace (physically they are files in the same folder). They always appear in alphabetical order. If Zim were to be changed so that pages can be swapped (and thus appear in another order in the index file) then Zim would actually be an outline editor. We would then just need a function to export everything into one big text file, or one big html file, that's all. It would't be difficult to program. This means you could write a complete book without linking any files at all (if you want). Or link as many as you want. There are other outliners out there but they aren't particularly good at cross linking and updating links when pages are moved. Ulf ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~zim-wiki Post to : zim-wiki@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~zim-wiki More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~zim-wiki Post to : zim-wiki@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~zim-wiki More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Zim-wiki] Feature suggestion - outliner
but couldn't you do something similar with just simple renaming of sub-pages since ZIM will rename the links for you if you did link pages. I could For example, your book starts as a single file under a name space: (Namespace) Great Novel (sub-page) book body Realize that your writing has turned into chapters: (Namespace) Great Novel (sub-page) Chapter 1 (sub-page) Chapter 4 Realize that things need to be broken up more: (Namespace) Great Novel (sub-page) 01 Chapter (sub-page) 02 Chapter (sub-page) 04.01 Chapter (sub-page) 04.02 Chapter (sub-page) 04.03 Chapter This is very well possible. When you work with very large texts you offen decide that Chapter 04.03 can be split in two. The second half of this chapter can be joined to Chapter 07.03 whereas the first half of it can be pushed between 03.02 and 03.03. So the old 03.03 must be renamed to 03.04. The old 03.04 must be renamed to 03.05 et cetera. After doing that you may decide that the contents of Chapter 2 and 3 should be rearranged. The first half of Chapter 2 should be Chapter 2. The second half together with the first half of Chapter 3 should be Chapter 3. The rest should be Chapter 4. The old Chapter 4 must now be renamed to Chapter 5 et cetera. With an outliner like MaxThink these operations are a work of about 10 seconds in all. They can be done without lifting the fingers off the keyboard, you don't need a mouse for that. MaxThink users mostly type all the ideas they have so fast as possible without caring for if the ideas are in any way related to one another. After having touch typed for a certain time you review what you have done. With help of the built in functions like sort, or prioritize or gather etc. you collect ideas into bins or containers. When you look at the contents of every container you see what is missing. Then you add the missing ideas, splitting the container where necessary. Then again you join the containers into chapters. As time goes by your work gets more and more structure. So when you are asked to write an article about your city you don't start with the concept: first I write about where the city is, then how many inhabitants, what language they speak, and then the history. Then afterwards the industry and the cultural things. No, no. You write about the particular zoo that's very famous. Then you think about one particular park where the skateboarders meet. At once you remember that this is in the vicinity of the freemason lodge, that again lets you remember a famous freemason who discovered the Neanderthal Man. Which again is not far from the new Mosque. This again leads to think about the problems that arose last year as there was a heavy snowfall so that your grandmother hurt her leg. And so on. You just sit there and hammer in all kinds of ideas and only later you care to structure your work. Then, after having written 80 pages, you come to mention where the city is at, and what's the mayor's name and all that. Afterwards. Completing the task and rounding it off. Start in the middle and work forwards and backwards at the same time. Or start at the end and work backwards. Or write everything at the same time. How ever you want. This is a very creative way of writing. Often the end product looks quite different from your original notion. See the MaxThink homepage for examples of how this software enhances thinking. According to its creator Neil Larson, higher thinking consists of 4 tasks: (1) sorting (2) prioritizing (3) analysis (= splitting) and (4) synthesis (= joining). (Lower thinking includes such no-brainers like learning 8000 anatomical structures with their Latin names by heart, or knowing how to cure a tonsillitis or an atrial re-entry tachycardia). This lower thinking is nothing but storing a lot of data in the head or on paper or in a file, and retrieving it again. Telephone books do that. Higher thinking, on the contrary, is gaining wisdom from data already there - prioritizing what is important and what not, sorting to do the first things first, analysing to break down a problem to self defined components, and synthesis in collecting the pieces to new components of realization. On Linux I use gjots, on Windows MaxThink. Now you can't do that with Zim (yet), can you? Ulf ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~zim-wiki Post to : zim-wiki@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~zim-wiki More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
