Re: [Zim-wiki] flowchart designer

[kwood...@gmail.com]

(snip)

"...is that the charts wont be able to be changed dynamically by the user
embedding a static image, doesn't provide any ability to
update/correct/alter the content of the chart, from within the wiki, which
is what wikis are for."

(snip)

Not sure that I agree with the "...from within the wiki, which is what
wikis are for." statement.

As a desktop wiki platform, Zim does a beautiful job of providing a way to
enter marked-up text, define inter-page linking to capture associations,
and link to files generated/maintained in other applications that are
associated with the topic of the page.  I use these features (and others:
tagging, tasks, etc...) daily as a central part of my work-flow within my
wikis.  Probably many other users do too.

I view dynamically editing embedded content within the wiki page as "nice
to have" but not essential.  Dynamically editing textual content is what is
essential to me.  Apologies if I misunderstood the point, but to me it
implied that Zim was missing the fundamental purpose of wiki's, and I
respectfully disagree: I think Zim is just about perfect...

Keep up the good work, Jaap.

- Kurt


On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 5:28 AM, Jaap Karssenberg <
jaap.karssenb...@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 11:25 AM, chembio...@yahoo.com <
> chembio...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>  the problem with what you suggest, is that the charts wont be able to be
>> changed dynamically by the user
>> embedding a static image, doesnt provide any ability to
>> update/correct/alter the content of the chart, from within the wiki, which
>> is what wikis are for
>>
>> is there anything i can do now, to be able to design/create and edit
>> flowcharts inside zim ?
>>
>
> I think the previous mails cover all things you can do to make this
> possible in the future. But don't expect any solution that will  work right
> now. You ask for something new, new things take time and effort.
>
> Regards,
>
> Jaap
>
>
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Re: [Zim-wiki] flowchart designer

[Jaap Karssenberg]

On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 11:25 AM, chembio...@yahoo.com  wrote:

>  the problem with what you suggest, is that the charts wont be able to be
> changed dynamically by the user
> embedding a static image, doesnt provide any ability to
> update/correct/alter the content of the chart, from within the wiki, which
> is what wikis are for
>
> is there anything i can do now, to be able to design/create and edit
> flowcharts inside zim ?
>

I think the previous mails cover all things you can do to make this
possible in the future. But don't expect any solution that will  work right
now. You ask for something new, new things take time and effort.

Regards,

Jaap
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Re: [Zim-wiki] flowchart designer

[chembio...@yahoo.com]

the problem with what you suggest, is that the charts wont be able to be 
changed dynamically by the user
embedding a static image, doesnt provide any ability to 
update/correct/alter the content of the chart, from within the wiki, 
which is what wikis are for


is there anything i can do now, to be able to design/create and edit 
flowcharts inside zim ?



On 11/15/2012 11:03, Jaap Karssenberg wrote:
Probably I should add a config option in zim to specify export 
commands for various file types. E.g. it would specify the command to 
convert a .dia file to an image file. Then embedding a .dia file in 
zim should be transparent: show as an image in zim, but edit the .dia 
file itself when clicked.


When implemented generic, could work for any application that has 
option for commandline export to some image format.


Regards,

Jaap



On Thu, Nov 15, 2012 at 9:16 AM, Alessandro Sarretta 
mailto:alessandro.sarre...@gmail.com>> 
wrote:


Dia (https://live.gnome.org/Dia) can export files in SVG.
hth
Ale


On 11/15/2012 09:12 AM, Jaap Karssenberg wrote:

On Thu, Nov 15, 2012 at 8:35 AM, Jaap Karssenberg
mailto:jaap.karssenb...@gmail.com>>
wrote:

On Thu, Nov 15, 2012 at 1:34 AM, chembio...@yahoo.com
 mailto:chembio...@yahoo.com>> wrote:

the problem with what you suggest, is that the charts
wont be able to be changed dynamically by the user
embedding a static image, doesnt provide any ability to
update/correct/alter the content of the chart, from
within the wiki, which is what wikis are for


Well, it would be really easy to write a plugin that opens
the image with application that has created it. Very similar
to what we do with the equation editor. Equations are also
images, but when you edit them, the related latex file is opened.


P.S. if you use an editor that saves SVG images, e.g. Inkscape
(which is not optimized for flowcharts, but can do them as well),
you can simply insert the images and use the "Open With" menu
item to open again with the editor of choice.

Quick search on freecode.com  doesn't show
up much tools for this. Maybe there is a niche for a simple SVG
editor that is optimized for flowcharts and similar diagrams ?

Regards,

Jaap



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Re: [Zim-wiki] flowchart designer

[Jaap Karssenberg]

Probably I should add a config option in zim to specify export commands for
various file types. E.g. it would specify the command to convert a .dia
file to an image file. Then embedding a .dia file in zim should be
transparent: show as an image in zim, but edit the .dia file itself when
clicked.

When implemented generic, could work for any application that has option
for commandline export to some image format.

Regards,

Jaap



On Thu, Nov 15, 2012 at 9:16 AM, Alessandro Sarretta <
alessandro.sarre...@gmail.com> wrote:

>  Dia (https://live.gnome.org/Dia) can export files in SVG.
> hth
> Ale
>
>
> On 11/15/2012 09:12 AM, Jaap Karssenberg wrote:
>
>  On Thu, Nov 15, 2012 at 8:35 AM, Jaap Karssenberg <
> jaap.karssenb...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>  On Thu, Nov 15, 2012 at 1:34 AM, chembio...@yahoo.com <
>> chembio...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>>  the problem with what you suggest, is that the charts wont be able to
>>> be changed dynamically by the user
>>> embedding a static image, doesnt provide any ability to
>>> update/correct/alter the content of the chart, from within the wiki, which
>>> is what wikis are for
>>>
>>
>>  Well, it would be really easy to write a plugin that opens the image
>> with application that has created it. Very similar to what we do with the
>> equation editor. Equations are also images, but when you edit them, the
>> related latex file is opened.
>>
>>
> P.S. if you use an editor that saves SVG images, e.g. Inkscape (which is
> not optimized for flowcharts, but can do them as well), you can simply
> insert the images and use the "Open With" menu item to open again with the
> editor of choice.
>
> Quick search on freecode.com doesn't show up much tools for this. Maybe
> there is a niche for a simple SVG editor that is optimized for flowcharts
> and similar diagrams ?
>
> Regards,
>
> Jaap
>
>
>
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Re: [Zim-wiki] flowchart designer

[Alessandro Sarretta]

Dia (https://live.gnome.org/Dia) can export files in SVG.
hth
Ale

On 11/15/2012 09:12 AM, Jaap Karssenberg wrote:
On Thu, Nov 15, 2012 at 8:35 AM, Jaap Karssenberg 
mailto:jaap.karssenb...@gmail.com>> wrote:


On Thu, Nov 15, 2012 at 1:34 AM, chembio...@yahoo.com
 mailto:chembio...@yahoo.com>> wrote:

the problem with what you suggest, is that the charts wont be
able to be changed dynamically by the user
embedding a static image, doesnt provide any ability to
update/correct/alter the content of the chart, from within the
wiki, which is what wikis are for


Well, it would be really easy to write a plugin that opens the
image with application that has created it. Very similar to what
we do with the equation editor. Equations are also images, but
when you edit them, the related latex file is opened.


P.S. if you use an editor that saves SVG images, e.g. Inkscape (which 
is not optimized for flowcharts, but can do them as well), you can 
simply insert the images and use the "Open With" menu item to open 
again with the editor of choice.


Quick search on freecode.com  doesn't show up 
much tools for this. Maybe there is a niche for a simple SVG editor 
that is optimized for flowcharts and similar diagrams ?


Regards,

Jaap



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Re: [Zim-wiki] flowchart designer

[Jaap Karssenberg]

P.P.S, Another way around is to make a plugin that will actually call that
website as the editor for an inserted image ...


On Thu, Nov 15, 2012 at 9:12 AM, Jaap Karssenberg <
jaap.karssenb...@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Thu, Nov 15, 2012 at 8:35 AM, Jaap Karssenberg <
> jaap.karssenb...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Thu, Nov 15, 2012 at 1:34 AM, chembio...@yahoo.com <
>> chembio...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>>  the problem with what you suggest, is that the charts wont be able to
>>> be changed dynamically by the user
>>> embedding a static image, doesnt provide any ability to
>>> update/correct/alter the content of the chart, from within the wiki, which
>>> is what wikis are for
>>>
>>
>> Well, it would be really easy to write a plugin that opens the image with
>> application that has created it. Very similar to what we do with the
>> equation editor. Equations are also images, but when you edit them, the
>> related latex file is opened.
>>
>>
> P.S. if you use an editor that saves SVG images, e.g. Inkscape (which is
> not optimized for flowcharts, but can do them as well), you can simply
> insert the images and use the "Open With" menu item to open again with the
> editor of choice.
>
> Quick search on freecode.com doesn't show up much tools for this. Maybe
> there is a niche for a simple SVG editor that is optimized for flowcharts
> and similar diagrams ?
>
> Regards,
>
> Jaap
>
>
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Re: [Zim-wiki] flowchart designer

[Jaap Karssenberg]

On Thu, Nov 15, 2012 at 8:35 AM, Jaap Karssenberg <
jaap.karssenb...@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Thu, Nov 15, 2012 at 1:34 AM, chembio...@yahoo.com <
> chembio...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>  the problem with what you suggest, is that the charts wont be able to be
>> changed dynamically by the user
>> embedding a static image, doesnt provide any ability to
>> update/correct/alter the content of the chart, from within the wiki, which
>> is what wikis are for
>>
>
> Well, it would be really easy to write a plugin that opens the image with
> application that has created it. Very similar to what we do with the
> equation editor. Equations are also images, but when you edit them, the
> related latex file is opened.
>
>
P.S. if you use an editor that saves SVG images, e.g. Inkscape (which is
not optimized for flowcharts, but can do them as well), you can simply
insert the images and use the "Open With" menu item to open again with the
editor of choice.

Quick search on freecode.com doesn't show up much tools for this. Maybe
there is a niche for a simple SVG editor that is optimized for flowcharts
and similar diagrams ?

Regards,

Jaap
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Re: [Zim-wiki] flowchart designer

[Jaap Karssenberg]

On Thu, Nov 15, 2012 at 1:34 AM, chembio...@yahoo.com
wrote:

>  the problem with what you suggest, is that the charts wont be able to be
> changed dynamically by the user
> embedding a static image, doesnt provide any ability to
> update/correct/alter the content of the chart, from within the wiki, which
> is what wikis are for
>

Well, it would be really easy to write a plugin that opens the image with
application that has created it. Very similar to what we do with the
equation editor. Equations are also images, but when you edit them, the
related latex file is opened.

Regards,

Jaap
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Re: [Zim-wiki] flowchart designer

[Jaap Karssenberg]

On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 3:32 AM, chembio...@yahoo.com
wrote:

> hello!
>
> i want a WYSIWYG flowchart designer for zim
>
> example: http://www.diagram.ly/ which is very powerful, lightweight and
> easy to use
>
> is there a chance to have it in zim?
>

Best way to have something like that is to look for a desktop application
that you like and then embed the images in zim. Depending on which platform
you use (windows or linux) there are different choices of programs that can
be used for this.

There is two ways to add external programs to zim. First is to put it as a
"custom tool", second is to put a template file and insert it with "Insert
-> New Attachment".

Regards,

Jaap
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[Zim-wiki] flowchart designer

[chembio...@yahoo.com]

hello!

i want a WYSIWYG flowchart designer for zim

example: http://www.diagram.ly/ which is very powerful, lightweight and 
easy to use


is there a chance to have it in zim?

thanks!

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