Re: [Zim-wiki] purpose of web server in zim
I totally agree with Andreas. I also use this feature from time to time and
I think it's quite useful.
Marco Cevoli
On Wed, Jan 7, 2015 at 7:40 AM, WEHLER Andreas
andreas.weh...@thalesgroup.com wrote:
Hello Martin.
The local Web-Server is an additional nifty feature.
We are using zim books heavily for cooperation. We often copy / paste /
merge
zim contents around between different personal and shared zim books.
But there are also workmates that don't (yet) use zim books. In situations
where those people temporarily need actual infos from my local zim books
in a read only manner (think of remote support use case) I just give them
access
to the local zim book via the built in WEB Server facility. Exporting a
snapshot
version access via some html-server on some other host is tedious in this
case.
This exception proves the rule that by definition - as you have correctly
stated -
there is NO ACCESS to my local desktop wiki.
So, please, just ignore features that you for yourself are probably
not going to use.
Best regards,
Andreas
On 04.01.2015 00:44, Martin Vegter wrote:
Hello,
I am starting to use Zim as my personal wiki. I have chosen Zim after a
long and painful selection process, because Zim fit best my idea of a
personal wiki, and it seemed to be lightweight and minimalistic.
Now when I am getting to know Zim better, I am a bit
surprised/disapointed that Zim comes with a build-in webserver.
I know that the webserver is not running by default. But the sole
existence of the webserver makes me question the underlying philosophy
of zim development.
A personal wiki is by definition personal, not public. There are plenty
of collaborative, web-server based wikis for shared content editing.
I see a dividing line between a personal wiki and public wiki. Both have
their applications and uses, but should be kept separate.
I find it alarming that there is a button in the menu, which when
clicked, publishes my personal wiki on 0.0.0.0:8080. It is unlikely that
I would click it by mistake, and even then, I still have 8080 blocked by
firewall. But nevertheless there is something in me that does not like
this idea even in theory.
I would like to kindly suggest to re-evaluate the decision of whether it
is a good idea to integrate a webserver into Zim.
In the meantime, what would be the best way for me to disable the
webserver on my machine?
remove zim/gui/server.py and delete the following line from
zim/gui/__init__.py ?
('show_server_gui', None, _('Start _Web Server'), '', '', True), # T:
Menu item
I hope you appreciate my feedback
regards,
Martin Vegter
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Re: [Zim-wiki] purpose of web server in zim
Hi,
I feel the “purpose of web server in zim” should be enhanced. Thanks
Martin, for bringing this up. I have an entirely different usage with
the notes in Zim Wiki – it is to inform a large diverse audience.
Currently I make do with the “export to HTML” format and am trying to
learn CSS etc quickly to make a nicer, bolder format suitable for
display projectors.
I like the comments of Andreas, and hope I can do similarly. But it
would be rather nice if the HTML “export” formats could be utilized by
the internal-webserver.
So the request is to enhance this feature in the next version(s).
When you can make such elegant, nicely organized notes what is the point
of restricting access? Information when organized well tends to become
knowledge (that is an overstatement, I am sure; but am just trying to
draw attention to the “web-server” and “export” functions).
Sajid
On Wednesday 07 January 2015 03:18 PM, Marco Cevoli wrote:
I totally agree with Andreas. I also use this feature from time to
time and I think it's quite useful.
Marco Cevoli
On Wed, Jan 7, 2015 at 7:40 AM, WEHLER Andreas
andreas.weh...@thalesgroup.com
mailto:andreas.weh...@thalesgroup.com wrote:
Hello Martin.
The local Web-Server is an additional nifty feature.
We are using zim books heavily for cooperation. We often copy /
paste / merge
zim contents around between different personal and shared zim books.
But there are also workmates that don't (yet) use zim books. In
situations
where those people temporarily need actual infos from my local zim
books
in a read only manner (think of remote support use case) I just
give them access
to the local zim book via the built in WEB Server facility.
Exporting a snapshot
version access via some html-server on some other host is tedious
in this case.
This exception proves the rule that by definition - as you have
correctly stated -
there is NO ACCESS to my local desktop wiki.
So, please, just ignore features that you for yourself are probably
not going to use.
Best regards,
Andreas
On 04.01.2015 00:44, Martin Vegter wrote:
Hello,
I am starting to use Zim as my personal wiki. I have chosen Zim
after a
long and painful selection process, because Zim fit best my idea
of a
personal wiki, and it seemed to be lightweight and minimalistic.
Now when I am getting to know Zim better, I am a bit
surprised/disapointed that Zim comes with a build-in webserver.
I know that the webserver is not running by default. But the sole
existence of the webserver makes me question the underlying
philosophy
of zim development.
A personal wiki is by definition personal, not public. There are
plenty
of collaborative, web-server based wikis for shared content editing.
I see a dividing line between a personal wiki and public wiki.
Both have
their applications and uses, but should be kept separate.
I find it alarming that there is a button in the menu, which when
clicked, publishes my personal wiki on 0.0.0.0:8080
http://0.0.0.0:8080. It is unlikely that
I would click it by mistake, and even then, I still have 8080
blocked by
firewall. But nevertheless there is something in me that does
not like
this idea even in theory.
I would like to kindly suggest to re-evaluate the decision of
whether it
is a good idea to integrate a webserver into Zim.
In the meantime, what would be the best way for me to disable the
webserver on my machine?
remove zim/gui/server.py and delete the following line from
zim/gui/__init__.py ?
('show_server_gui', None, _('Start _Web Server'), '', '', True),
# T:
Menu item
I hope you appreciate my feedback
regards,
Martin Vegter
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Re: [Zim-wiki] purpose of web server in zim
Zim has always been a personal desktop wiki.
There are hundreds of shared-publishing wiki platforms out there, many
used by hundreds of millions of users maintained by communities with
thousands of contributors.
Personally I would love to see an export to function that dumped directly
with full fidelity into one of those wiki formats. One way, one time only,
OK this notebook has now gotten to the point where I'm going to put it out
there and stop using Zim and start its accessibility via Dokuwiki,
Mediawiki or whatever.
The work done so far on exporting to Pandoc - which now enable CommonMark
along with the dozens of other formats Pandoc supports - is a great step in
that direction.
Any Haskell programmers in the Zim community would be greatly contributing
to Zim's usefulness in this regard by helping with this already-established
direction for publishing Zim notebooks for content-collaboration by
others.
IMO FWIW
On Wed, Jan 7, 2015 at 5:10 AM, sm sajid.mubas...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi,
I feel the “purpose of web server in zim” should be enhanced. Thanks
Martin, for bringing this up. I have an entirely different usage with the
notes in Zim Wiki – it is to inform a large diverse audience. Currently
I make do with the “export to HTML” format and am trying to learn CSS etc
quickly to make a nicer, bolder format suitable for display projectors.
I like the comments of Andreas, and hope I can do similarly. But it would
be rather nice if the HTML “export” formats could be utilized by the
internal-webserver.
So the request is to enhance this feature in the next version(s).
When you can make such elegant, nicely organized notes what is the point
of restricting access? Information when organized well tends to become
knowledge (that is an overstatement, I am sure; but am just trying to draw
attention to the “web-server” and “export” functions).
Sajid
On Wednesday 07 January 2015 03:18 PM, Marco Cevoli wrote:
I totally agree with Andreas. I also use this feature from time to time
and I think it's quite useful.
Marco Cevoli
On Wed, Jan 7, 2015 at 7:40 AM, WEHLER Andreas
andreas.weh...@thalesgroup.com wrote:
Hello Martin.
The local Web-Server is an additional nifty feature.
We are using zim books heavily for cooperation. We often copy / paste /
merge
zim contents around between different personal and shared zim books.
But there are also workmates that don't (yet) use zim books. In situations
where those people temporarily need actual infos from my local zim books
in a read only manner (think of remote support use case) I just give them
access
to the local zim book via the built in WEB Server facility. Exporting a
snapshot
version access via some html-server on some other host is tedious in this
case.
This exception proves the rule that by definition - as you have correctly
stated -
there is NO ACCESS to my local desktop wiki.
So, please, just ignore features that you for yourself are probably
not going to use.
Best regards,
Andreas
On 04.01.2015 00:44, Martin Vegter wrote:
Hello,
I am starting to use Zim as my personal wiki. I have chosen Zim after a
long and painful selection process, because Zim fit best my idea of a
personal wiki, and it seemed to be lightweight and minimalistic.
Now when I am getting to know Zim better, I am a bit
surprised/disapointed that Zim comes with a build-in webserver.
I know that the webserver is not running by default. But the sole
existence of the webserver makes me question the underlying philosophy
of zim development.
A personal wiki is by definition personal, not public. There are plenty
of collaborative, web-server based wikis for shared content editing.
I see a dividing line between a personal wiki and public wiki. Both have
their applications and uses, but should be kept separate.
I find it alarming that there is a button in the menu, which when
clicked, publishes my personal wiki on 0.0.0.0:8080. It is unlikely
that
I would click it by mistake, and even then, I still have 8080 blocked by
firewall. But nevertheless there is something in me that does not like
this idea even in theory.
I would like to kindly suggest to re-evaluate the decision of whether it
is a good idea to integrate a webserver into Zim.
In the meantime, what would be the best way for me to disable the
webserver on my machine?
remove zim/gui/server.py and delete the following line from
zim/gui/__init__.py ?
('show_server_gui', None, _('Start _Web Server'), '', '', True), # T:
Menu item
I hope you appreciate my feedback
regards,
Martin Vegter
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Re: [Zim-wiki] purpose of web server in zim
Hello Martin.
The local Web-Server is an additional nifty feature.
We are using zim books heavily for cooperation. We often copy / paste / merge
zim contents around between different personal and shared zim books.
But there are also workmates that don't (yet) use zim books. In situations
where those people temporarily need actual infos from my local zim books
in a read only manner (think of remote support use case) I just give them access
to the local zim book via the built in WEB Server facility. Exporting a snapshot
version access via some html-server on some other host is tedious in this case.
This exception proves the rule that by definition - as you have correctly
stated -
there is NO ACCESS to my local desktop wiki.
So, please, just ignore features that you for yourself are probably
not going to use.
Best regards,
Andreas
On 04.01.2015 00:44, Martin Vegter wrote:
Hello,
I am starting to use Zim as my personal wiki. I have chosen Zim after a
long and painful selection process, because Zim fit best my idea of a
personal wiki, and it seemed to be lightweight and minimalistic.
Now when I am getting to know Zim better, I am a bit
surprised/disapointed that Zim comes with a build-in webserver.
I know that the webserver is not running by default. But the sole
existence of the webserver makes me question the underlying philosophy
of zim development.
A personal wiki is by definition personal, not public. There are plenty
of collaborative, web-server based wikis for shared content editing.
I see a dividing line between a personal wiki and public wiki. Both have
their applications and uses, but should be kept separate.
I find it alarming that there is a button in the menu, which when
clicked, publishes my personal wiki on 0.0.0.0:8080. It is unlikely that
I would click it by mistake, and even then, I still have 8080 blocked by
firewall. But nevertheless there is something in me that does not like
this idea even in theory.
I would like to kindly suggest to re-evaluate the decision of whether it
is a good idea to integrate a webserver into Zim.
In the meantime, what would be the best way for me to disable the
webserver on my machine?
remove zim/gui/server.py and delete the following line from
zim/gui/__init__.py ?
('show_server_gui', None, _('Start _Web Server'), '', '', True), # T:
Menu item
I hope you appreciate my feedback
regards,
Martin Vegter
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