Re: [Zim-wiki] Zim presentation

2015-09-25 Thread Marco Cevoli
Yes, it's the usual conflict "scrolling vs clicking". I personally prefer
the content distributed on more pages and less scrolling. Having more pages
also increases you SEO, btw.

However, it's one of the longest discussions in web design... :) It's
really up to you.

Marco Cevoli

On Fri, Sep 25, 2015 at 4:37 PM, Jaap Karssenberg <
jaap.karssenb...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Point taken.
>
> Just thinking how to get the right balance between a long running text
> (see presentation content Brendan) versus short page with elevator pitch.
>
> -- Jaap
>
>
> On Fri, Sep 25, 2015 at 4:22 PM, Marco Cevoli 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> regarding the website, I would advocate for keeping the page as simple as
>> Zim. When I first discovered Zim Wiki I was quite impressed by the fact
>> that it said "this web page has been created with Zim" (or something
>> similar). Just a thought.
>>
>> Marco Cevoli
>>
>> On Fri, Sep 25, 2015 at 4:18 PM, Alessandro Sarretta <
>> alessandro.sarre...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> From what I know, most of them are based on Bootstrap:
>>> http://getbootstrap.com/
>>>
>>> Ale
>>>
>>>
>>> On 25/09/2015 13:12, Jaap Karssenberg wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Brendan, all,
>>>
>>> Thanks, will create a new page with materials, might also be a good
>>> place to link to screencasts as well.
>>>
>>> In general I'm thinking it might not be a bad idea to try and update the
>>> manual with an "user guide" chapter. I feel Brendan's text is a good start.
>>>
>>> Also would want the website organized to go to such a guide quickly.
>>> Does anyone have experience with these "roll down" format pages that I see
>>> nowadays on many long-read pages ?
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Jaap
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Sep 23, 2015 at 6:35 PM, Brendan Kidwell 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Thanks for sharing, Jaap.

 I think I mentioned this when I did a presentation a couple of years
 ago, but I didn't make a point of saying "you should add it to the Zim
 web site", but I'm saying that now.

 http://www.glump.net/howto/desktop/getting-work-done-in-zim
 > On 11 December 2013 I gave a talk about how to take notes and
 organize your thoughts in Zim Desktop Wiki, at the LibrePlanet Boston
 Desktop GNU/Linux Users Group.

 Here are my presentation notes:

 http://www.glump.net/content/getting-work-done-in-zim/getting-work-done-in-zim.html

 I think the video I mentioned may be lost by now. It wasn't very good
 compared to my notes.

 If you want to link to this topic from zim-wiki.org, I'm not sure which
 URL is best to use -- make your own judgment.


 On Mon, Sep 21, 2015, at 14:12, Jaap Karssenberg wrote:
 > Dear all,
 > Last weekend I held a presentation about zim at the NLLGG (the dutch
 Linux user group). Apart from socializing in real life, I also used the
 opportunity to formalize some of my thoughts about zim. For those
 interested I put a copy of the slides in Dutch and English here:
 http://zim-wiki.org/presentations/
 > Regards,
 > Jaap
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Re: [Zim-wiki] Zim presentation

2015-09-25 Thread Jaap Karssenberg
Point taken.

Just thinking how to get the right balance between a long running text (see
presentation content Brendan) versus short page with elevator pitch.

-- Jaap


On Fri, Sep 25, 2015 at 4:22 PM, Marco Cevoli 
wrote:

> Hi,
>
> regarding the website, I would advocate for keeping the page as simple as
> Zim. When I first discovered Zim Wiki I was quite impressed by the fact
> that it said "this web page has been created with Zim" (or something
> similar). Just a thought.
>
> Marco Cevoli
>
> On Fri, Sep 25, 2015 at 4:18 PM, Alessandro Sarretta <
> alessandro.sarre...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> From what I know, most of them are based on Bootstrap:
>> http://getbootstrap.com/
>>
>> Ale
>>
>>
>> On 25/09/2015 13:12, Jaap Karssenberg wrote:
>>
>> Hi Brendan, all,
>>
>> Thanks, will create a new page with materials, might also be a good place
>> to link to screencasts as well.
>>
>> In general I'm thinking it might not be a bad idea to try and update the
>> manual with an "user guide" chapter. I feel Brendan's text is a good start.
>>
>> Also would want the website organized to go to such a guide quickly. Does
>> anyone have experience with these "roll down" format pages that I see
>> nowadays on many long-read pages ?
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Jaap
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Sep 23, 2015 at 6:35 PM, Brendan Kidwell 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks for sharing, Jaap.
>>>
>>> I think I mentioned this when I did a presentation a couple of years
>>> ago, but I didn't make a point of saying "you should add it to the Zim
>>> web site", but I'm saying that now.
>>>
>>> http://www.glump.net/howto/desktop/getting-work-done-in-zim
>>> > On 11 December 2013 I gave a talk about how to take notes and organize
>>> your thoughts in Zim Desktop Wiki, at the LibrePlanet Boston Desktop
>>> GNU/Linux Users Group.
>>>
>>> Here are my presentation notes:
>>>
>>> http://www.glump.net/content/getting-work-done-in-zim/getting-work-done-in-zim.html
>>>
>>> I think the video I mentioned may be lost by now. It wasn't very good
>>> compared to my notes.
>>>
>>> If you want to link to this topic from zim-wiki.org, I'm not sure which
>>> URL is best to use -- make your own judgment.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Sep 21, 2015, at 14:12, Jaap Karssenberg wrote:
>>> > Dear all,
>>> > Last weekend I held a presentation about zim at the NLLGG (the dutch
>>> Linux user group). Apart from socializing in real life, I also used the
>>> opportunity to formalize some of my thoughts about zim. For those
>>> interested I put a copy of the slides in Dutch and English here:
>>> http://zim-wiki.org/presentations/
>>> > Regards,
>>> > Jaap
>>> > _
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Re: [Zim-wiki] Zim presentation

2015-09-25 Thread Jaap Karssenberg
Hi Brendan, all,

Thanks, will create a new page with materials, might also be a good place
to link to screencasts as well.

In general I'm thinking it might not be a bad idea to try and update the
manual with an "user guide" chapter. I feel Brendan's text is a good start.

Also would want the website organized to go to such a guide quickly. Does
anyone have experience with these "roll down" format pages that I see
nowadays on many long-read pages ?

Regards,

Jaap



On Wed, Sep 23, 2015 at 6:35 PM, Brendan Kidwell  wrote:

> Thanks for sharing, Jaap.
>
> I think I mentioned this when I did a presentation a couple of years
> ago, but I didn't make a point of saying "you should add it to the Zim
> web site", but I'm saying that now.
>
> http://www.glump.net/howto/desktop/getting-work-done-in-zim
> > On 11 December 2013 I gave a talk about how to take notes and organize
> your thoughts in Zim Desktop Wiki, at the LibrePlanet Boston Desktop
> GNU/Linux Users Group.
>
> Here are my presentation notes:
>
> http://www.glump.net/content/getting-work-done-in-zim/getting-work-done-in-zim.html
>
> I think the video I mentioned may be lost by now. It wasn't very good
> compared to my notes.
>
> If you want to link to this topic from zim-wiki.org, I'm not sure which
> URL is best to use -- make your own judgment.
>
>
> On Mon, Sep 21, 2015, at 14:12, Jaap Karssenberg wrote:
> > Dear all,
> > Last weekend I held a presentation about zim at the NLLGG (the dutch
> Linux user group). Apart from socializing in real life, I also used the
> opportunity to formalize some of my thoughts about zim. For those
> interested I put a copy of the slides in Dutch and English here:
> http://zim-wiki.org/presentations/
> > Regards,
> > Jaap
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Re: [Zim-wiki] Zim presentation

2015-09-25 Thread Colin Tedford
> Just thinking how to get the right balance between a long running text
(see presentation content Brendan) versus short page with elevator pitch.

Summary + table of contents like Wikipedia does? Link to long texts from
elevator pitch pages?

> "roll-down"

I'm not sure what effect you mean, but if you mean a show/hide thing where
you click on a bit of text and it expands to show more text you could use
the "details"/"summary" html elements. To my sad surprise Firefox doesn't
support them yet, but there is a javascript shim. I use this for
transcripts of comics on my site and find it very useful.

That said, I favor keeping it Zim-simple.

> if it's not readable and navigable with javascript and CSS disabled,
you have failed.

+1


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Re: [Zim-wiki] Zim presentation

2015-09-25 Thread Brendan Kidwell
If anyone adapts my 2013 presentation notes to become part of the Zim web site:

You will note that I licensed it under the GNU GFDL. Take that to mean
whatever it means, but right here I'm giving explicit permission for
whoever works on the Zim web site to take parts of my text and do
whatever you want with it and eventually assign copyright to the Zim
project if it's substantially rewritten. If there's anything of me left
in it just say I contributed.

I just want to make sure copyright doesn't get in the way here.

On Fri, Sep 25, 2015, at 07:12, Jaap Karssenberg wrote:
> Hi Brendan, all, Thanks, will create a new page with materials, might
> also be a good place to link to screencasts as well.
>
> In general I'm thinking it might not be a bad idea to try and update
> the manual with an "user guide" chapter. I feel Brendan's text is a
> good start.
>
> Also would want the website organized to go to such a guide quickly.
> Does anyone have experience with these "roll down" format pages that I
> see nowadays on many long-read pages ? Regards, Jaap
>
>
> On Wed, Sep 23, 2015 at 6:35 PM, Brendan Kidwell
>  wrote:
>> Thanks for sharing, Jaap.
>>
>>
I think I mentioned this when I did a presentation a couple of years
>>
ago, but I didn't make a point of saying "you should add it to the Zim
>>
web site", but I'm saying that now.
>>
>> http://www.glump.net/howto/desktop/getting-work-done-in-zim
>>
>On 11 December 2013 I gave a talk about how to take notes and organize
>your thoughts in Zim Desktop Wiki, at the LibrePlanet Boston Desktop
>GNU/Linux Users Group.
>>
>>
Here are my presentation notes:
>> http://www.glump.net/content/getting-work-done-in-zim/getting-work-done-in-zim.html
>>
>>
I think the video I mentioned may be lost by now. It wasn't very good
>>
compared to my notes.
>>
>>
If you want to link to this topic from zim-wiki.org, I'm not sure which
>>
URL is best to use -- make your own judgment.
>>
>>
>>
On Mon, Sep 21, 2015, at 14:12, Jaap Karssenberg wrote:
>>
> Dear all,
>>
> Last weekend I held a presentation about zim at the NLLGG (the dutch
> Linux user group). Apart from socializing in real life, I also used
> the opportunity to formalize some of my thoughts about zim. For those
> interested I put a copy of the slides in Dutch and English here:
> http://zim-wiki.org/presentations/
>>
> Regards,
>>
> Jaap
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Re: [Zim-wiki] Zim presentation

2015-09-25 Thread Mike Morris

On 09/25/2015 04:12 AM, Jaap Karssenberg wrote:


Also would want the website organized to go to such a guide quickly. 
Does anyone have experience with these "roll down" format pages that I 
see nowadays on many long-read pages ?


Yes, been doing lots of product research lately and they're becoming 
quite common.


I don't like them, but it's hard for me to separate dislike for the 
format from disdain for the content, which I doubt would be a problem 
here. Most of them are lots of marketing speak... "maximize", 
"increase", "centralize", "collaborate", blah blah blah... and when you 
hit the "Sign Up Now!!!" button, you know no more about their product 
than when you started...


Again, I'm sure that's not going to be a problem, since your goal is 
actually to educate and edify about the product!!!


To summarize, for me "content is king", which I think is objectively 
defensible. As for the long running or not, I prefer not, but that's 
clearly just a personal preference.


Thanks for all the hard work, and to those others who have generously 
offered their content and assistance...






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Re: [Zim-wiki] Zim presentation

2015-09-25 Thread Brendan Kidwell
And if it's not readable and navigable with javascript and CSS, you have
failed.

On Fri, Sep 25, 2015, at 14:11, Mike Morris wrote:
> To summarize, for me "content is king", which I think is objectively 
> defensible. As for the long running or not, I prefer not, but that's 
> clearly just a personal preference.

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Re: [Zim-wiki] Zim presentation

2015-09-25 Thread Alessandro Sarretta
From what I know, most of them are based on Bootstrap: 
http://getbootstrap.com/


Ale

On 25/09/2015 13:12, Jaap Karssenberg wrote:

Hi Brendan, all,

Thanks, will create a new page with materials, might also be a good 
place to link to screencasts as well.


In general I'm thinking it might not be a bad idea to try and update 
the manual with an "user guide" chapter. I feel Brendan's text is a 
good start.


Also would want the website organized to go to such a guide quickly. 
Does anyone have experience with these "roll down" format pages that I 
see nowadays on many long-read pages ?


Regards,

Jaap



On Wed, Sep 23, 2015 at 6:35 PM, Brendan Kidwell > wrote:


Thanks for sharing, Jaap.

I think I mentioned this when I did a presentation a couple of years
ago, but I didn't make a point of saying "you should add it to the Zim
web site", but I'm saying that now.

http://www.glump.net/howto/desktop/getting-work-done-in-zim
> On 11 December 2013 I gave a talk about how to take notes and
organize your thoughts in Zim Desktop Wiki, at the LibrePlanet
Boston Desktop GNU/Linux Users Group.

Here are my presentation notes:

http://www.glump.net/content/getting-work-done-in-zim/getting-work-done-in-zim.html

I think the video I mentioned may be lost by now. It wasn't very good
compared to my notes.

If you want to link to this topic from zim-wiki.org
, I'm not sure which
URL is best to use -- make your own judgment.


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> Dear all,
> Last weekend I held a presentation about zim at the NLLGG (the
dutch Linux user group). Apart from socializing in real life, I
also used the opportunity to formalize some of my thoughts about
zim. For those interested I put a copy of the slides in Dutch and
English here: http://zim-wiki.org/presentations/
> Regards,
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Re: [Zim-wiki] Zim presentation

2015-09-25 Thread Marco Cevoli
Hi,

regarding the website, I would advocate for keeping the page as simple as
Zim. When I first discovered Zim Wiki I was quite impressed by the fact
that it said "this web page has been created with Zim" (or something
similar). Just a thought.

Marco Cevoli

On Fri, Sep 25, 2015 at 4:18 PM, Alessandro Sarretta <
alessandro.sarre...@gmail.com> wrote:

> From what I know, most of them are based on Bootstrap:
> http://getbootstrap.com/
>
> Ale
>
>
> On 25/09/2015 13:12, Jaap Karssenberg wrote:
>
> Hi Brendan, all,
>
> Thanks, will create a new page with materials, might also be a good place
> to link to screencasts as well.
>
> In general I'm thinking it might not be a bad idea to try and update the
> manual with an "user guide" chapter. I feel Brendan's text is a good start.
>
> Also would want the website organized to go to such a guide quickly. Does
> anyone have experience with these "roll down" format pages that I see
> nowadays on many long-read pages ?
>
> Regards,
>
> Jaap
>
>
>
> On Wed, Sep 23, 2015 at 6:35 PM, Brendan Kidwell 
> wrote:
>
>> Thanks for sharing, Jaap.
>>
>> I think I mentioned this when I did a presentation a couple of years
>> ago, but I didn't make a point of saying "you should add it to the Zim
>> web site", but I'm saying that now.
>>
>> http://www.glump.net/howto/desktop/getting-work-done-in-zim
>> > On 11 December 2013 I gave a talk about how to take notes and organize
>> your thoughts in Zim Desktop Wiki, at the LibrePlanet Boston Desktop
>> GNU/Linux Users Group.
>>
>> Here are my presentation notes:
>>
>> http://www.glump.net/content/getting-work-done-in-zim/getting-work-done-in-zim.html
>>
>> I think the video I mentioned may be lost by now. It wasn't very good
>> compared to my notes.
>>
>> If you want to link to this topic from zim-wiki.org, I'm not sure which
>> URL is best to use -- make your own judgment.
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Sep 21, 2015, at 14:12, Jaap Karssenberg wrote:
>> > Dear all,
>> > Last weekend I held a presentation about zim at the NLLGG (the dutch
>> Linux user group). Apart from socializing in real life, I also used the
>> opportunity to formalize some of my thoughts about zim. For those
>> interested I put a copy of the slides in Dutch and English here:
>> http://zim-wiki.org/presentations/
>> > Regards,
>> > Jaap
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Re: [Zim-wiki] Zim presentation

2015-09-23 Thread Brendan Kidwell
Thanks for sharing, Jaap.

I think I mentioned this when I did a presentation a couple of years
ago, but I didn't make a point of saying "you should add it to the Zim
web site", but I'm saying that now.

http://www.glump.net/howto/desktop/getting-work-done-in-zim
> On 11 December 2013 I gave a talk about how to take notes and organize your 
>thoughts in Zim Desktop Wiki, at the LibrePlanet Boston Desktop GNU/Linux 
>Users Group.

Here are my presentation notes:
http://www.glump.net/content/getting-work-done-in-zim/getting-work-done-in-zim.html

I think the video I mentioned may be lost by now. It wasn't very good
compared to my notes.

If you want to link to this topic from zim-wiki.org, I'm not sure which
URL is best to use -- make your own judgment.


On Mon, Sep 21, 2015, at 14:12, Jaap Karssenberg wrote:
> Dear all,
> Last weekend I held a presentation about zim at the NLLGG (the dutch Linux 
> user group). Apart from socializing in real life, I also used the opportunity 
> to formalize some of my thoughts about zim. For those interested I put a copy 
> of the slides in Dutch and English here: http://zim-wiki.org/presentations/
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> Jaap
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Re: [Zim-wiki] Zim presentation

2015-09-21 Thread Tomasz Muras
Thanks Jaap, nice introduction to zim.

"Just a „notebook“ with text files" - this was actually the reason I choose
zim. I knew none of the tools did exactly what I wanted, so at least I
wanted to be able to run external tools like grep easily.

cheers,
Tomek

On 21 September 2015 at 20:12, Jaap Karssenberg 
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> Dear all,
>
> Last weekend I held a presentation about zim at the NLLGG (the dutch Linux
> user group). Apart from socializing in real life, I also used the
> opportunity to formalize some of my thoughts about zim. For those
> interested I put a copy of the slides in Dutch and English here:
> http://zim-wiki.org/presentations/
>
> Regards,
>
> Jaap
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Re: [Zim-wiki] Zim presentation

2015-09-21 Thread Mike Morris
I look forward to reading through this!!! Thank you very much for 
sharing it...




On 09/21/2015 11:12 AM, Jaap Karssenberg wrote:

Dear all,

Last weekend I held a presentation about zim at the NLLGG (the dutch 
Linux user group). Apart from socializing in real life, I also used 
the opportunity to formalize some of my thoughts about zim. For those 
interested I put a copy of the slides in Dutch and English here: 
http://zim-wiki.org/presentations/


Regards,

Jaap


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