Re: [Zim-wiki] flowchart designer
the problem with what you suggest, is that the charts wont be able to be changed dynamically by the user embedding a static image, doesnt provide any ability to update/correct/alter the content of the chart, from within the wiki, which is what wikis are for is there anything i can do now, to be able to design/create and edit flowcharts inside zim ? On 11/15/2012 11:03, Jaap Karssenberg wrote: Probably I should add a config option in zim to specify export commands for various file types. E.g. it would specify the command to convert a .dia file to an image file. Then embedding a .dia file in zim should be transparent: show as an image in zim, but edit the .dia file itself when clicked. When implemented generic, could work for any application that has option for commandline export to some image format. Regards, Jaap On Thu, Nov 15, 2012 at 9:16 AM, Alessandro Sarretta alessandro.sarre...@gmail.com mailto:alessandro.sarre...@gmail.com wrote: Dia (https://live.gnome.org/Dia) can export files in SVG. hth Ale On 11/15/2012 09:12 AM, Jaap Karssenberg wrote: On Thu, Nov 15, 2012 at 8:35 AM, Jaap Karssenberg jaap.karssenb...@gmail.com mailto:jaap.karssenb...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Nov 15, 2012 at 1:34 AM, chembio...@yahoo.com mailto:chembio...@yahoo.com chembio...@yahoo.com mailto:chembio...@yahoo.com wrote: the problem with what you suggest, is that the charts wont be able to be changed dynamically by the user embedding a static image, doesnt provide any ability to update/correct/alter the content of the chart, from within the wiki, which is what wikis are for Well, it would be really easy to write a plugin that opens the image with application that has created it. Very similar to what we do with the equation editor. Equations are also images, but when you edit them, the related latex file is opened. P.S. if you use an editor that saves SVG images, e.g. Inkscape (which is not optimized for flowcharts, but can do them as well), you can simply insert the images and use the Open With menu item to open again with the editor of choice. Quick search on freecode.com http://freecode.com doesn't show up much tools for this. Maybe there is a niche for a simple SVG editor that is optimized for flowcharts and similar diagrams ? Regards, Jaap ___ Mailing list:https://launchpad.net/~zim-wiki https://launchpad.net/%7Ezim-wiki Post to :zim-wiki@lists.launchpad.net mailto:zim-wiki@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe :https://launchpad.net/~zim-wiki https://launchpad.net/%7Ezim-wiki More help :https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~zim-wiki https://launchpad.net/%7Ezim-wiki Post to : zim-wiki@lists.launchpad.net mailto:zim-wiki@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~zim-wiki https://launchpad.net/%7Ezim-wiki More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~zim-wiki Post to : zim-wiki@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~zim-wiki More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~zim-wiki Post to : zim-wiki@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~zim-wiki More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Zim-wiki] flowchart designer
On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 11:25 AM, chembio...@yahoo.com chembio...@yahoo.com wrote: the problem with what you suggest, is that the charts wont be able to be changed dynamically by the user embedding a static image, doesnt provide any ability to update/correct/alter the content of the chart, from within the wiki, which is what wikis are for is there anything i can do now, to be able to design/create and edit flowcharts inside zim ? I think the previous mails cover all things you can do to make this possible in the future. But don't expect any solution that will work right now. You ask for something new, new things take time and effort. Regards, Jaap ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~zim-wiki Post to : zim-wiki@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~zim-wiki More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Zim-wiki] flowchart designer
(snip) ...is that the charts wont be able to be changed dynamically by the user embedding a static image, doesn't provide any ability to update/correct/alter the content of the chart, from within the wiki, which is what wikis are for. (snip) Not sure that I agree with the ...from within the wiki, which is what wikis are for. statement. As a desktop wiki platform, Zim does a beautiful job of providing a way to enter marked-up text, define inter-page linking to capture associations, and link to files generated/maintained in other applications that are associated with the topic of the page. I use these features (and others: tagging, tasks, etc...) daily as a central part of my work-flow within my wikis. Probably many other users do too. I view dynamically editing embedded content within the wiki page as nice to have but not essential. Dynamically editing textual content is what is essential to me. Apologies if I misunderstood the point, but to me it implied that Zim was missing the fundamental purpose of wiki's, and I respectfully disagree: I think Zim is just about perfect... Keep up the good work, Jaap. - Kurt On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 5:28 AM, Jaap Karssenberg jaap.karssenb...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 11:25 AM, chembio...@yahoo.com chembio...@yahoo.com wrote: the problem with what you suggest, is that the charts wont be able to be changed dynamically by the user embedding a static image, doesnt provide any ability to update/correct/alter the content of the chart, from within the wiki, which is what wikis are for is there anything i can do now, to be able to design/create and edit flowcharts inside zim ? I think the previous mails cover all things you can do to make this possible in the future. But don't expect any solution that will work right now. You ask for something new, new things take time and effort. Regards, Jaap ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~zim-wiki Post to : zim-wiki@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~zim-wiki More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp -- Kurt Woodham kwood...@gmail.com (757) 351-2639 (H) (757) 864-6067 (W) (757) 635-6360 (C) ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~zim-wiki Post to : zim-wiki@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~zim-wiki More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Zim-wiki] flowchart designer
On Thu, Nov 15, 2012 at 8:35 AM, Jaap Karssenberg jaap.karssenb...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Nov 15, 2012 at 1:34 AM, chembio...@yahoo.com chembio...@yahoo.com wrote: the problem with what you suggest, is that the charts wont be able to be changed dynamically by the user embedding a static image, doesnt provide any ability to update/correct/alter the content of the chart, from within the wiki, which is what wikis are for Well, it would be really easy to write a plugin that opens the image with application that has created it. Very similar to what we do with the equation editor. Equations are also images, but when you edit them, the related latex file is opened. P.S. if you use an editor that saves SVG images, e.g. Inkscape (which is not optimized for flowcharts, but can do them as well), you can simply insert the images and use the Open With menu item to open again with the editor of choice. Quick search on freecode.com doesn't show up much tools for this. Maybe there is a niche for a simple SVG editor that is optimized for flowcharts and similar diagrams ? Regards, Jaap ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~zim-wiki Post to : zim-wiki@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~zim-wiki More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Zim-wiki] flowchart designer
P.P.S, Another way around is to make a plugin that will actually call that website as the editor for an inserted image ... On Thu, Nov 15, 2012 at 9:12 AM, Jaap Karssenberg jaap.karssenb...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Nov 15, 2012 at 8:35 AM, Jaap Karssenberg jaap.karssenb...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Nov 15, 2012 at 1:34 AM, chembio...@yahoo.com chembio...@yahoo.com wrote: the problem with what you suggest, is that the charts wont be able to be changed dynamically by the user embedding a static image, doesnt provide any ability to update/correct/alter the content of the chart, from within the wiki, which is what wikis are for Well, it would be really easy to write a plugin that opens the image with application that has created it. Very similar to what we do with the equation editor. Equations are also images, but when you edit them, the related latex file is opened. P.S. if you use an editor that saves SVG images, e.g. Inkscape (which is not optimized for flowcharts, but can do them as well), you can simply insert the images and use the Open With menu item to open again with the editor of choice. Quick search on freecode.com doesn't show up much tools for this. Maybe there is a niche for a simple SVG editor that is optimized for flowcharts and similar diagrams ? Regards, Jaap ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~zim-wiki Post to : zim-wiki@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~zim-wiki More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Zim-wiki] flowchart designer
Dia (https://live.gnome.org/Dia) can export files in SVG. hth Ale On 11/15/2012 09:12 AM, Jaap Karssenberg wrote: On Thu, Nov 15, 2012 at 8:35 AM, Jaap Karssenberg jaap.karssenb...@gmail.com mailto:jaap.karssenb...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Nov 15, 2012 at 1:34 AM, chembio...@yahoo.com mailto:chembio...@yahoo.com chembio...@yahoo.com mailto:chembio...@yahoo.com wrote: the problem with what you suggest, is that the charts wont be able to be changed dynamically by the user embedding a static image, doesnt provide any ability to update/correct/alter the content of the chart, from within the wiki, which is what wikis are for Well, it would be really easy to write a plugin that opens the image with application that has created it. Very similar to what we do with the equation editor. Equations are also images, but when you edit them, the related latex file is opened. P.S. if you use an editor that saves SVG images, e.g. Inkscape (which is not optimized for flowcharts, but can do them as well), you can simply insert the images and use the Open With menu item to open again with the editor of choice. Quick search on freecode.com http://freecode.com doesn't show up much tools for this. Maybe there is a niche for a simple SVG editor that is optimized for flowcharts and similar diagrams ? Regards, Jaap ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~zim-wiki Post to : zim-wiki@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~zim-wiki More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~zim-wiki Post to : zim-wiki@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~zim-wiki More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Zim-wiki] flowchart designer
Probably I should add a config option in zim to specify export commands for various file types. E.g. it would specify the command to convert a .dia file to an image file. Then embedding a .dia file in zim should be transparent: show as an image in zim, but edit the .dia file itself when clicked. When implemented generic, could work for any application that has option for commandline export to some image format. Regards, Jaap On Thu, Nov 15, 2012 at 9:16 AM, Alessandro Sarretta alessandro.sarre...@gmail.com wrote: Dia (https://live.gnome.org/Dia) can export files in SVG. hth Ale On 11/15/2012 09:12 AM, Jaap Karssenberg wrote: On Thu, Nov 15, 2012 at 8:35 AM, Jaap Karssenberg jaap.karssenb...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Nov 15, 2012 at 1:34 AM, chembio...@yahoo.com chembio...@yahoo.com wrote: the problem with what you suggest, is that the charts wont be able to be changed dynamically by the user embedding a static image, doesnt provide any ability to update/correct/alter the content of the chart, from within the wiki, which is what wikis are for Well, it would be really easy to write a plugin that opens the image with application that has created it. Very similar to what we do with the equation editor. Equations are also images, but when you edit them, the related latex file is opened. P.S. if you use an editor that saves SVG images, e.g. Inkscape (which is not optimized for flowcharts, but can do them as well), you can simply insert the images and use the Open With menu item to open again with the editor of choice. Quick search on freecode.com doesn't show up much tools for this. Maybe there is a niche for a simple SVG editor that is optimized for flowcharts and similar diagrams ? Regards, Jaap ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~zim-wiki Post to : zim-wiki@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~zim-wiki More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~zim-wiki Post to : zim-wiki@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~zim-wiki More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~zim-wiki Post to : zim-wiki@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~zim-wiki More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Zim-wiki] flowchart designer
On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 3:32 AM, chembio...@yahoo.com chembio...@yahoo.comwrote: hello! i want a WYSIWYG flowchart designer for zim example: http://www.diagram.ly/ which is very powerful, lightweight and easy to use is there a chance to have it in zim? Best way to have something like that is to look for a desktop application that you like and then embed the images in zim. Depending on which platform you use (windows or linux) there are different choices of programs that can be used for this. There is two ways to add external programs to zim. First is to put it as a custom tool, second is to put a template file and insert it with Insert - New Attachment. Regards, Jaap ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~zim-wiki Post to : zim-wiki@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~zim-wiki More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
