Re: [Zim-wiki] mime type of zim notes
All, We have had this discussion before. I'm not against changing the extension for zim notes, but only on the condition that we have a clear file extension. The .note suggested above is something I would consider as it is human readable - but not sure if we can use that if it is already in use by Tomboy. Suggestions I rejected i nthe past include .zim - which is used for the notebook config, .wiki as being to generic (although I might reconsider that one) and more cryptic combinations like zwk for zim-wiki etc. Regards, Jaap On Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 3:53 AM, Michael Mulqueen mich...@mulqueen.me.ukwrote: Hi Marcel and Svenn, Obviously Jaap will have to decide as it's his project. But I'd be very much in favour of using a different file extension for zim's files. I see only benefits. We gain the ability to do a fast mimetype determination and with it the ability to integrate into things like Zeitgeist. It won't change the ability to open zim files in a plain text editor such as vim or gedit. In fact, if anyone needs this, all they need to do is change the default program for the mimetype (which is easily done from Nautilus) or access from the open dialogue of the program. I note that the mime file for zim describes zim's format as a subset of plain text, so you would hope that anything that struggled with the idea of text/x-zim-wiki would see text/plain and treat it as such. I can't remember for sure, but I seem to recall older versions of zim (perhaps even back to the Perl Zim) not having the current header information etc. that they do. Perhaps Jaap could confirm whether I'm imagining this or not. In those days, it would obviously make sense for them to be referred to as plain text, because that's actually all they were. Now it's closer to file format in its own right. Regards, Mike On Sun, Dec 4, 2011 at 10:09 PM, Svenn Are Bjerkem svenn.bjer...@googlemail.com wrote: On 4 December 2011 22:49, Marcel Stimberg stimb...@users.sourceforge.net wrote: Hi Michael, I think there are two solutions to this problem: * Register the .txt extension for the text/x-zim-wiki mime type -- this has the small disadvantage that for all .txt files, a time-costly (relatively speaking) content lookup has to be performed * Use a different extension for zim notes (e.g. Tomboy uses .note) Any thoughts on this? I really would like to see zim accept that .txt files are pure text files and not supposed to be interpreted. Maybe making the extension configurable in the notebook.zim file? Using 'find' or 'locate' in unix looking for files with ending .txt seldom show me only my zim notebook pages. -- Svenn ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~zim-wiki Post to : zim-wiki@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~zim-wiki More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~zim-wiki Post to : zim-wiki@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~zim-wiki More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~zim-wiki Post to : zim-wiki@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~zim-wiki More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Zim-wiki] mime type of zim notes
On 5 December 2011 15:43, Jaap Karssenberg jaap.karssenb...@gmail.com wrote: All, We have had this discussion before. I'm not against changing the extension for zim notes, but only on the condition that we have a clear file extension. The .note suggested above is something I would consider as it is human readable - but not sure if we can use that if it is already in use by Tomboy. Well, I guess zim has attracted new users, and old users are testing the limits of what zim can be used for. If it is not completely impossible to make the zim wiki file extensions configurable, I think that would be a good solution. Then I could use .z1m or .z1mw1k1 and would never expect to collide with any other mime in the world. Well I would have to change the mime type myself, but that would be ok. -- Svenn ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~zim-wiki Post to : zim-wiki@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~zim-wiki More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Zim-wiki] mime type of zim notes
My personal opinion is that this would be a good change, for the reasons currently on the table. I would use the file extension .zimpage or .zimnote. Also, what happens if you shell-launch a Zim page file from the desktop file manager or search tool using the executable zim? Does it explore up the tree to find a notebook.zim file, open the whole notebook and navigate to the page? If not I think it should. How much work would that be? On 12/5/11, Jaap Karssenberg jaap.karssenb...@gmail.com wrote: All, We have had this discussion before. I'm not against changing the extension for zim notes, but only on the condition that we have a clear file extension. The .note suggested above is something I would consider as it is human readable - but not sure if we can use that if it is already in use by Tomboy. Suggestions I rejected i nthe past include .zim - which is used for the notebook config, .wiki as being to generic (although I might reconsider that one) and more cryptic combinations like zwk for zim-wiki etc. Regards, Jaap On Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 3:53 AM, Michael Mulqueen mich...@mulqueen.me.ukwrote: Hi Marcel and Svenn, Obviously Jaap will have to decide as it's his project. But I'd be very much in favour of using a different file extension for zim's files. I see only benefits. We gain the ability to do a fast mimetype determination and with it the ability to integrate into things like Zeitgeist. It won't change the ability to open zim files in a plain text editor such as vim or gedit. In fact, if anyone needs this, all they need to do is change the default program for the mimetype (which is easily done from Nautilus) or access from the open dialogue of the program. I note that the mime file for zim describes zim's format as a subset of plain text, so you would hope that anything that struggled with the idea of text/x-zim-wiki would see text/plain and treat it as such. I can't remember for sure, but I seem to recall older versions of zim (perhaps even back to the Perl Zim) not having the current header information etc. that they do. Perhaps Jaap could confirm whether I'm imagining this or not. In those days, it would obviously make sense for them to be referred to as plain text, because that's actually all they were. Now it's closer to file format in its own right. Regards, Mike On Sun, Dec 4, 2011 at 10:09 PM, Svenn Are Bjerkem svenn.bjer...@googlemail.com wrote: On 4 December 2011 22:49, Marcel Stimberg stimb...@users.sourceforge.net wrote: Hi Michael, I think there are two solutions to this problem: * Register the .txt extension for the text/x-zim-wiki mime type -- this has the small disadvantage that for all .txt files, a time-costly (relatively speaking) content lookup has to be performed * Use a different extension for zim notes (e.g. Tomboy uses .note) Any thoughts on this? I really would like to see zim accept that .txt files are pure text files and not supposed to be interpreted. Maybe making the extension configurable in the notebook.zim file? Using 'find' or 'locate' in unix looking for files with ending .txt seldom show me only my zim notebook pages. -- Svenn ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~zim-wiki Post to : zim-wiki@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~zim-wiki More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~zim-wiki Post to : zim-wiki@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~zim-wiki More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~zim-wiki Post to : zim-wiki@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~zim-wiki More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Zim-wiki] mime type of zim notes
On Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 5:27 PM, Brendan Kidwell sn...@glump.net wrote: Also, what happens if you shell-launch a Zim page file from the desktop file manager or search tool using the executable zim? Does it explore up the tree to find a notebook.zim file, open the whole notebook and navigate to the page? Yes it does that already for quite some time - try it out some time :) -- Jaap ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~zim-wiki Post to : zim-wiki@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~zim-wiki More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Zim-wiki] mime type of zim notes
Hi Marcel, I can confirm this on Arch Linux with gvfs 1.10.1-1. I suppose it's to be somewhat expected considering it actually is a plain text file and this was a design goal of zim (to have human readable raw files). I've had a quick look over /usr/share/mime/packages/zim.xml and everything looks in order. The command xdg-mime query filetype /path/to/zim/file.txt also gives text/plain. xdg-mime is the reference implementation of the specification, so I think there might be something wrong with the way zim declares the mime type. You may find the following reference useful: http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Specifications/shared-mime-info-spec Regards, Mike On Sun, Dec 4, 2011 at 1:21 PM, Marcel Stimberg stimb...@users.sourceforge.net wrote: Hi all, after letting the code rot for a while, I finally want to finish the Zeitgeist integration plugin for zim[1]. However, the usefulness is currently reduced because the mime type of zim pages is not correctly detected by my system (Ubuntu 11.10) -- did anyone else notice this as well? The file utility works fine, but the Gnome environment (e.g. nautilus) just recognizes the file type as text/plain: $file foo.txt foo.txt: text/x-zim-wiki $ gvfs-info foo.txt | grep content-type standard::content-type: text/plain standard::fast-content-type: text/plain Thanks, Marcel [1] https://bugs.launchpad.net/zim/+bug/610515 ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~zim-wiki Post to : zim-wiki@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~zim-wiki More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~zim-wiki Post to : zim-wiki@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~zim-wiki More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Zim-wiki] mime type of zim notes
Hi Michael, thanks for the confirmation. I looked a bit more into the subject and found the reason for the observed behaviour -- in fact, a quite simple reason: For determining the file type, it is recommended (and implemented by xdg-open etc.) to first look at the glob pattern (i.e. normally the file extension) and only then to look at the file content. And as zim notes have the extension .txt, they are recognized as text/plain which registers this extension. I think there are two solutions to this problem: * Register the .txt extension for the text/x-zim-wiki mime type -- this has the small disadvantage that for all .txt files, a time-costly (relatively speaking) content lookup has to be performed * Use a different extension for zim notes (e.g. Tomboy uses .note) Any thoughts on this? Cheers, Marcel ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~zim-wiki Post to : zim-wiki@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~zim-wiki More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Zim-wiki] mime type of zim notes
On 4 December 2011 22:49, Marcel Stimberg stimb...@users.sourceforge.net wrote: Hi Michael, I think there are two solutions to this problem: * Register the .txt extension for the text/x-zim-wiki mime type -- this has the small disadvantage that for all .txt files, a time-costly (relatively speaking) content lookup has to be performed * Use a different extension for zim notes (e.g. Tomboy uses .note) Any thoughts on this? I really would like to see zim accept that .txt files are pure text files and not supposed to be interpreted. Maybe making the extension configurable in the notebook.zim file? Using 'find' or 'locate' in unix looking for files with ending .txt seldom show me only my zim notebook pages. -- Svenn ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~zim-wiki Post to : zim-wiki@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~zim-wiki More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Zim-wiki] mime type of zim notes
Hi Marcel and Svenn, Obviously Jaap will have to decide as it's his project. But I'd be very much in favour of using a different file extension for zim's files. I see only benefits. We gain the ability to do a fast mimetype determination and with it the ability to integrate into things like Zeitgeist. It won't change the ability to open zim files in a plain text editor such as vim or gedit. In fact, if anyone needs this, all they need to do is change the default program for the mimetype (which is easily done from Nautilus) or access from the open dialogue of the program. I note that the mime file for zim describes zim's format as a subset of plain text, so you would hope that anything that struggled with the idea of text/x-zim-wiki would see text/plain and treat it as such. I can't remember for sure, but I seem to recall older versions of zim (perhaps even back to the Perl Zim) not having the current header information etc. that they do. Perhaps Jaap could confirm whether I'm imagining this or not. In those days, it would obviously make sense for them to be referred to as plain text, because that's actually all they were. Now it's closer to file format in its own right. Regards, Mike On Sun, Dec 4, 2011 at 10:09 PM, Svenn Are Bjerkem svenn.bjer...@googlemail.com wrote: On 4 December 2011 22:49, Marcel Stimberg stimb...@users.sourceforge.net wrote: Hi Michael, I think there are two solutions to this problem: * Register the .txt extension for the text/x-zim-wiki mime type -- this has the small disadvantage that for all .txt files, a time-costly (relatively speaking) content lookup has to be performed * Use a different extension for zim notes (e.g. Tomboy uses .note) Any thoughts on this? I really would like to see zim accept that .txt files are pure text files and not supposed to be interpreted. Maybe making the extension configurable in the notebook.zim file? Using 'find' or 'locate' in unix looking for files with ending .txt seldom show me only my zim notebook pages. -- Svenn ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~zim-wiki Post to : zim-wiki@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~zim-wiki More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~zim-wiki Post to : zim-wiki@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~zim-wiki More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
