Re: [ZION] Definition of liberal

2002-10-25 Thread Cousin Bill
At some point in the past, Gary wrote: here's a stump question: Can anyone tell me the name of the Democratic Georgia Senator who tends to vote frequently with the Republicans and Bush? (I know the answer, and I can tell you that if there were more guys in the Democratic party like him- who

Re: [ZION] The Jerusalem Temple

2002-10-25 Thread Elmer L. Fairbank
At 12:46 10/24/2002 -0700, Uncle Dan wrote: We might be in for a surprise here. The key, I think, is in the actual consecration of the temple. The Jews will probably build it, as a temple, but it won't actually meet the Lord's requirements until consecrated by His church. Consider that you can

RE: [ZION] High Priests

2002-10-25 Thread Elmer L. Fairbank
At 03:13 10/25/2002 +, St Stephen wrote: Perhaps you should tell Elders Maxwell, Nelson, and Hilbig about Occam's razor, so they can get their acts together. What's a razor? Till / /// ZION LIST CHARTER:

RE: [ZION] High Priests

2002-10-25 Thread Mark Gregson
- Stephen - Though this is off the main thread, it's an interesting side thread. I don't agree that teacher was a Melchizedek Priesthood office for the Nephites; the Melchizedek Priesthood was not generally held among the Jews, so I don't see why it would have been generally held among the

RE: [ZION] High Priests

2002-10-25 Thread Stephen Beecroft
-Mark- Moroni talks about teachers and priests. This is several hundred years after Christ, so the Nephites had the Melchizedek priesthood at that time and were not under the law of Moses. True enough. I was referring to earlier, pre-Resurrection references to teachers and priests. But you

Re: [ZION] High Priests

2002-10-25 Thread Paul Osborne
Mark Several of the Brethren have stated that since the Nephites were not Levites they never did have the Aaronic priesthood even when under the law of Moses. Therefore, so state these same Brethren, the Nephites always only had the Melchizedek priesthood. They further state (IIRC) that they

Re: [ZION] The Jerusalem Temple

2002-10-25 Thread Scott McGee
On Thu, 24 Oct 2002 12:10:37 -0500, Paul Osborne [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: We know that a temple will be built in Jerusalem before the Second Coming. Question: will the temple in Jerusalem have to be built and dedicated under the authority and supervision of the Melchizedek priesthood? Or

[ZION] The Jerusalem Temple

2002-10-25 Thread Gary Smith
There's been quite a bit of excavation done on Mt Moriah over the past decade. There are scholars who are convinced they know where the Holy of Holies for Herod's temple was by excavations going under the mount. Most scholars reading the temple scroll today believe that the Essenes (or whoever

[ZION] James' Ossuary

2002-10-25 Thread Gary Smith
I just received my Nov/Dec Biblical Archaeology Review magazine in the mail. I'll read it over the next day or so and let you know what it says in more detail than the news reports have given. K'aya K'ama, Gerald/gary Smithgszion1 @juno.comhttp://www .geocities.com/rameumptom/index.html

[ZION] Figure the Odds

2002-10-25 Thread Gary Smith
This morning, the chief of police of Montgomery Alabama signed out a warrant for the two snipers. They passed through here in Sept and shot two women working at a state liquor store, killing one of them. A police officer who chased them got a great look at Mohammed, and immediately picked him out

[ZION] High Priests have money

2002-10-25 Thread Gary Smith
Yes, I know that Nibley says it is a free lunch, but he also says we still must work. What I was meaning, is that there are laws of work governing worldly wealth. The person who works hard and smart tends to live a more comfortable life than someone who is sloth or not so wise in their dealings

[ZION] High Priest

2002-10-25 Thread Gary Smith
The keys stay with the position, not with the person. An elder's quorum president, once released, is an elder. Same with a stake president being a high priest. However, a bishop remains a bishop, just without the active keys. It is not just a position, but an office in the priesthood. And I've

RE: [ZION] High Priests

2002-10-25 Thread Scott McGee
On Fri, 25 Oct 2002 07:09:09 -0400, Elmer L. Fairbank [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: At 03:13 10/25/2002 +, St Stephen wrote: Perhaps you should tell Elders Maxwell, Nelson, and Hilbig about Occam's razor, so they can get their acts together. What's a razor? Till, a razor is that thing

RE: [ZION] High Priest

2002-10-25 Thread Stephen Beecroft
-Gary- And I've done some research and determined that those who mentioned previously that [bishop] is a position in the Aaronic Priesthood are partially incorrect. I don't recall anyone saying it was a position in the Aaronic Priesthood; rather, they said it was an office in the Aaronic

[ZION] What is patriotism?

2002-10-25 Thread Marc A. Schindler
From www.straighthoofd.com, a left-wing e-zine: (make of it what you will; I post it because it does make some good points despite its ideological assumptions) America armed with patriotism Dateline: Friday, October 11, 2002

[ZION] James Ossuary

2002-10-25 Thread Marc A. Schindler
It looks like North Americans will ge their first chance to see the ossuary at the Royal Ontario Museum in Toronto: http://www.globeandmail.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/front/RTGAM/20021025/wxromm25/Front/homeBN/breakingnews -- Marc A. Schindler Spruce Grove, Alberta, Canada -- Gateway to the Boreal