RE: [ZION] Coffee, Tea or Eternity
Stacy Smith wrote: Then why can't the church take an active stance on caffeine if that is the real problem? Because the WoW is not so much a health law as it is a spiritual law. It is one of the ways that the Church uses to determine which members are serious about the restored gospel and which are not. That is why it is one of the temple recommend questions. But temple recommend interview is not asking us about caffeine, meat, eating sparingly, drinking mild barley drinks, etc. It is specifically asing us about tea, coffee, alcohol, and tobacco. Beyond that there are a lot of things we can do to improve our health. It is just not that part of the WoW that the Lord is currently using to deterine temple worthiness. Maybe the Lord should include regular aerobic execise, or avoiding too much salt, or cutting down on our cholesterol, etc. He could have included these things in the WoW if he had wanted to. But he didn't. I think it is wrong for me to drinks Cokes, but not because it is a WoW violation. I don't think it is. The reason I think it is a sin for me to drink Cokes is because I become addicted to them and lose control over how many of them I drink. But every person is different. A lot of people can drink Cokes without becoming addicted. So, caffeine is a bad idea for those who have a weakness for it. But it is not mentioned in the Word of Wisdom and is not part of it any more than avoiding fatty foods or using too much white sugar. Besides, several places in the New Testament the Savior teachines that true religion is not a matter of meat and drink but charity, loving our neighbor, administering to the needs of widows and orphans, etc. If we get hung up on WoW, we are going to overlook the more important parts of the gospel. Or at least that is the way it seems to me today. Your friend and brother, John W. Redelfs, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Stacy. At 05:43 PM 11/16/2002 -0500, you wrote: I have heard that tannic acid is used in the making of coffee and tea and that can be more harmful than caffeine. It's kind of reminiscent of the WhiteLies anti-smoking campaign telling us what is REALLY in a cigarette--it ain't just tobacco. Yet I can remember not so many years ago when it was cool to smoke Kools etc. My how things change in a couple of decades. On the subject of caffeine, as for me and (sometimes) mine--I have heard President Hinckley, twice, say on national television that we do not drink soda with caffeine, and that is good enough for me (is this a liberal stance ;-p). My two inactive sons do their own thing with that, but when I drive to the temple in Chicago, and afterward go to Jewel to stock up on caffeine free Dr. Pepper, they are ecstatic. I have not yet been able to get local bottlers to get the caffeine free DP here. your sis in Mishawaka val On Sat, 16 Nov 2002 10:11:19 -0800 Stacy Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: What else does coffee have in it besides caffeine? Are there other active ingredients? Stacy. Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.399 / Virus Database: 226 - Release Date: 10/09/2002 // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
[ZION] In the World
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Re: [ZION] In the World
That's a darned good question. The Sufis use this saying (that's a mystical branch of Sunni Islam especially common in Egypt and Turkey), and it's also well known in Catholic and Mennonite traditions. My guess is that it came into creedal Christianity as an aphorism via Augustine, but that's a guess. In any case, John 17:14-16 would appear to be the original NT source as far as Christianity is concerned. That's my contribution, anyway. Elmer L. Fairbank wrote: OK, Zionisti, research time. In the world but not of it or something of it's ilk. What's the source of the saying? Till the questioning // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / -- Marc A. Schindler Spruce Grove, Alberta, Canada -- Gateway to the Boreal Parkland Man will occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of the time he will pick himself up and continue on Winston Churchill Note: This communication represents the informal personal views of the author solely; its contents do not necessarily reflect those of the authors employer, nor those of any organization with which the author may be associated. // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^^=== This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^^===
Re: [ZION] In the World
It is possible to live in the world and not partake of the sins of the world. Ezra Taft Benson--Apr 1991 First Presidency Message Keys to Successful Member-Missionary Work No. It is not possible for any of us. We are all sinners. Paul O [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
RE: [ZION] In the World
Elmer L. Fairbank wrote: --- In the world but not of it or something of it's ilk. What's the source of the saying? --- According to Nibley-- That is, when I find myself called upon to stand up and be counted, to declare myself on one side or the other, which do I prefergin or rum, cigarettes or cigars, tea or coffee, heroin or LSD, the Red Rose or the White, Shiz or Coriantumr, wicked Nephites or wicked Lamanites, Whigs or Tories, Catholic or Protestant, Republican or Democrat, black power or white power, land pirates or sea pirates, commissars or corporations, capitalism or communism? The devilish neatness and simplicity of the thing is the easy illusion that I am choosing between good and evil, when in reality two or more evils by their rivalry distract my attention from the real issue. The oldest trick in the book for those who wish to perpetrate a great crime unnoticed is to set up a diversion, such as a fight in the street or a cry of fire in the hall, that sends everyone rushing to the spot while the criminal as an inconspicuous and highly respectable citizen quietly walks off with the loot. It can be shown that in each of the choices just named, one of the pair may well be preferable to the other, but that is not the question. There is no point in arguing which other system comes closest to the law of consecration, since I excluded all other systems when I opted for the real thing. The relative merits of various economies is a problem for the gentiles to worry about, a devil's dilemma that does not concern me in the least. For it so happens that I have presently covenanted and promised to observe most strictly certain instructions set forth with great clarity and simplicity in the Doctrine and Covenants. These are designated as the law of consecration, which are absolutely essential for the building up of the kingdom on earth and the ultimate establishment of Zion. Behold, this is the preparation wherewith I prepare you, and the foundation and the ensample which I give unto you, whereby you may accomplish the commandments which are given you; that through my providence, notwithstanding the tribulation which shall descend upon you, that the church may stand independent above all other creatures beneath the celestial world (DC 78:13-14). It is all there, this law of consecration, by which alone the Saints can implement God's plans for Zion in spite of the persecution it will bring on them; this is the foundation on which they must build (see DC 48:6). The alternative is to be dependent on baser things, for Zion cannot be built up unless it is by the principles of the law of the celestial kingdom; otherwise I cannot receive her unto myself (DC 105:5). But should I ask for tribulation? I live in the real world, don't I? Yes, and I have been commanded to come out of her,. . . that ye be not partakers of her sins (Revelation 18:4). It is not given unto you that ye shall live after the manner of the world (DC 95:13). Well, then, you must be in the world but not of the world. That happens to be a convenient para-scripture (we have quite a few of them today), invented by a third-century Sophist (Diognetos), to the great satisfaction of the church members, who were rapidly becoming very worldly. The passage as it appears in the scriptures says quite the opposite: For [whatsoever] that is in the world. . . is not of the Father, but is of the world (1 John 2:16). The Lord has repeatedly commanded and forced his people to flee out of the world into the wilderness, quite literally; there is only one way to avoid becoming involved in the neighborhood brawls, and that is to move out of the neighborhood. There is nothing in the Constitution that forbids me doing certain things I have covenanted and promised to do; if the neighbors don't like it, they have no legal grounds against me, but there are ways of getting me to move; the tribulation. . . shall descend upon you, said the Lord, but do things my way and my providence will see you through (DC 78:14). This inescapable conflict is part of our human heritage, as we learn from dramatic passages of scripture. (Hugh Nibley, Approaching Zion, edited by Don E. Norton [Salt Lake City and Provo: Deseret Book Co., Foundation for Ancient Research and Mormon Studies, 1989], 163 - 164.) // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register
[ZION] Main Street Plaza: Meridian Editorial
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Re: [ZION] Coffee, Tea or Eternity
Sorry - that drink is against my religion. I use Dr. Pepper. Jon Paul Osborne wrote: JWR's assessment of the WoW is exactly how I think. It's too bad we live so far away from each other or we could sit down and celebrate our agreement with a Coke! ;-) Paul O On Mon, 18 Nov 2002 08:15:05 + John W. Redelfs [EMAIL PROTECTED] Because the WoW is not so much a health law as it is a spiritual law. It is one of the ways that the Church uses to determine which // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
RE: [ZION] Coffee, Tea or Eternity
Jon Spencer: I use Dr. Pepper. ___ Dr. Pepper is out of network for me. And that's the trouble with POSs and HMOs and WOWs, etc. The help line gives a different answer everytime I call. [grin] Larry Jackson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
[ZION] Calling Jim Cobabe
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[ZION] Leonid alert
For those who don't already know, tonight's supposed to be the storm of the century wrt the Leonids (the best show since the 1860s according to a local astronomer). Prime viewing time in the Mountain Standard Time Zone is 04:00 - 06:00 (well before dawn up here, which won't arrive until about 08:30), but the weather forecast is mostly cloudy -- better viewing weather in southern Alberta. Also, we have a near full moon, which may screen some of the dimmer meteorites. But I have my alarm clock set anyway! -- Marc A. Schindler Spruce Grove, Alberta, Canada -- Gateway to the Boreal Parkland Man will occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of the time he will pick himself up and continue on Winston Churchill Note: This communication represents the informal personal views of the author solely; its contents do not necessarily reflect those of the authors employer, nor those of any organization with which the author may be associated. // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^^=== This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^^===
[ZION] Public school standards
I've bragged about the high quality of Alberta's public school systems
before (especially wrt math and science). It appears it's not just my
innate hometown boosterism -- standardized testing works. The National
Post, the more conservative of our two national dailies, starts a series
which looks at school systems in various places (tomorrow they look at
Texas), and gives high marks to Alberta, and nice try but no cigar to
Ontario:
http://www.nationalpost.com/national/story.html?id={B032DD73-9D40-4596-B0D1-60343528B206}
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Marc A. Schindler
Spruce Grove, Alberta, Canada -- Gateway to the Boreal Parkland
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Re: [ZION] Coffee, Tea or Eternity
Well, he'll be at our place Thursday evening for dinner. I think all we have in the house is orange juice, cocoa and ginger ale. I'll have to go to SuperStore and get some real Jamaican ginger beer for them -- that stuff's almost flammable (totally alcohol free -- flammable in the spicy sense). Paul Osborne wrote: JWR's assessment of the WoW is exactly how I think. It's too bad we live so far away from each other or we could sit down and celebrate our agreement with a Coke! ;-) Paul O On Mon, 18 Nov 2002 08:15:05 + John W. Redelfs [EMAIL PROTECTED] Because the WoW is not so much a health law as it is a spiritual law. It is one of the ways that the Church uses to determine which members are serious about the restored gospel and which are not. That is why it is one of the temple recommend questions. But temple recommend interview is not asking us about caffeine, meat, eating sparingly, drinking mild barley drinks, etc. It is specifically asing us about tea, coffee, alcohol, and tobacco. Beyond that there are a lot of things we can do to improve our health. It is just not that part of the WoW that the Lord is currently using to deterine temple worthiness. Maybe the Lord should include regular aerobic execise, or avoiding too much salt, or cutting down on our cholesterol, etc. He could have included these things in the WoW if he had wanted to. But he didn't. I think it is wrong for me to drinks Cokes, but not because it is a WoW violation. I don't think it is. The reason I think it is a sin for me to drink Cokes is because I become addicted to them and lose control over how many of them I drink. But every person is different. A lot of people can drink Cokes without becoming addicted. So, caffeine is a bad idea for those who have a weakness for it. But it is not mentioned in the Word of Wisdom and is not part of it any more than avoiding fatty foods or using too much white sugar. Besides, several places in the New Testament the Savior teachines that true religion is not a matter of meat and drink but charity, loving our neighbor, administering to the needs of widows and orphans, etc. If we get hung up on WoW, we are going to overlook the more important parts of the gospel. Or at least that is the way it seems to me today. Your friend and brother, John W. Redelfs, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / -- Marc A. Schindler Spruce Grove, Alberta, Canada -- Gateway to the Boreal Parkland Man will occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of the time he will pick himself up and continue on Winston Churchill Note: This communication represents the informal personal views of the author solely; its contents do not necessarily reflect those of the authors employer, nor those of any organization with which the author may be associated. // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^^=== This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^^===
RE: [ZION] Pamela Lee Anderson: poster girl of a different sort now
I'm quite sure that the mere mention of Pamela Lee Anderson violates several elements of the charter. Which means I'll probably get booted now. Stephen // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
[ZION] Oh Canada!
My niece sent me a list of 24 reasons I'm proud to be a Canadian. I'll spare the list the whole, er, list, but I had to pass on this one: 12. Canada has the largest French population that never surrendered to Germany. [let's hear it for the Vandoos!*] (*la Régiment Royale Vingt-deuxième du Canada, the regiment that happened to be stationed at CFB Lahr, in the Black Forest, when I was a missionary in the Canadian Branch there in the 70s) -- Marc A. Schindler Spruce Grove, Alberta, Canada -- Gateway to the Boreal Parkland Man will occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of the time he will pick himself up and continue on Winston Churchill Note: This communication represents the informal personal views of the author solely; its contents do not necessarily reflect those of the authors employer, nor those of any organization with which the author may be associated. // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^^=== This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^^===
[ZION] Leonid alert
I've been corrected on the time by my Dad: Our Calgary CBC said the best times for us will be 0230 hrs to 0330 hrs. Even with the full moon, he said, we should see three pieces per second hit us. Apparently, were it totally dark, we would see a minimum of 1000 per minute. I, too have my alarm set. -- Marc A. Schindler Spruce Grove, Alberta, Canada -- Gateway to the Boreal Parkland Man will occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of the time he will pick himself up and continue on Winston Churchill Note: This communication represents the informal personal views of the author solely; its contents do not necessarily reflect those of the authors employer, nor those of any organization with which the author may be associated. // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^^=== This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^^===
Re: [ZION] Pamela Lee Anderson: poster girl of a different sort now
We'll both have to have a good cry in our root beer. Stephen Beecroft wrote: I'm quite sure that the mere mention of Pamela Lee Anderson violates several elements of the charter. Which means I'll probably get booted now. Stephen // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / -- Marc A. Schindler Spruce Grove, Alberta, Canada -- Gateway to the Boreal Parkland Man will occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of the time he will pick himself up and continue on Winston Churchill Note: This communication represents the informal personal views of the author solely; its contents do not necessarily reflect those of the authors employer, nor those of any organization with which the author may be associated. // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^^=== This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^^===
Re: [ZION] Coffee, Tea or Eternity
Well, he'll be at our place Thursday evening for dinner. I think all we have in the house is orange juice, cocoa and ginger ale. I'll have to go to SuperStore and get some real Jamaican ginger beer for them -- that stuff's almost flammable (totally alcohol free -- flammable in the spicy sense). Be sure to let us know what you have for dinner. I've had Jamaican ginger beer and you're right about it being extremely strong. I had a lovely dinner tonight and now I'm hungry again just thinking about food. BTW, John really likes chocolate, especially fresh chocolate donuts. smack Paul O [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
Re: [ZION] Coffee, Tea or Eternity
The reason I can't drink that barley drink is that I haven't found a good way to measure it easily. Stacy. At 09:33 AM 11/18/2002 -0700, you wrote: John W. Redelfs wrote: Stacy Smith wrote: Then why can't the church take an active stance on caffeine if that is the real problem? Because the WoW is not so much a health law as it is a spiritual law. It is one of the ways that the Church uses to determine which members are serious about the restored gospel and which are not. That is why it is one of the temple recommend questions. But temple recommend interview is not asking us about caffeine, meat, eating sparingly, drinking mild barley drinks, etc. When my mother, who had a hard time giving up tea and coffee when she joined the Church in the late 50s, switched to Postum, at the suggestion of one of her mentors, Barbara Benson Walker, ETB's daughter, whose husband was our first bishop. Postum is basically made out of roasted barley. I couldn't stand the stuff, but I think she still drinks it. In Germany they have another barley drink, but its name escapes me at the moment. It is specifically asing us about tea, coffee, alcohol, and tobacco. Beyond that there are a lot of things we can do to improve our health. It is just not that part of the WoW that the Lord is currently using to deterine temple worthiness. Maybe the Lord should include regular aerobic execise, or avoiding too much salt, or cutting down on our cholesterol, etc. He could have included these things in the WoW if he had wanted to. But he didn't. He could have also told the early Saints to boil their drinking water they got from the Mississippi, which would have prevented a cholera epidemic Nauvoo suffered through at one point, iirc. But he didn't. I'm with JWR on this -- it's only superficially about health. Put another way, health becomes a kind of type for spirituality. It's a law of obedience and helps set us apart as a spiritual community, as Zion. I think it is wrong for me to drinks Cokes, but not because it is a WoW violation. I don't think it is. The reason I think it is a sin for me to drink Cokes is because I become addicted to them and lose control over how many of them I drink. But every person is different. A lot of people can drink Cokes without becoming addicted. So, caffeine is a bad idea for those who have a weakness for it. But it is not mentioned in the Word of Wisdom and is not part of it any more than avoiding fatty foods or using too much white sugar. Besides, several places in the New Testament the Savior teachines that true religion is not a matter of meat and drink but charity, loving our neighbor, administering to the needs of widows and orphans, etc. If we get hung up on WoW, we are going to overlook the more important parts of the gospel. Or at least that is the way it seems to me today. Your friend and brother, John W. Redelfs, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Stacy. At 05:43 PM 11/16/2002 -0500, you wrote: I have heard that tannic acid is used in the making of coffee and tea and that can be more harmful than caffeine. It's kind of reminiscent of the WhiteLies anti-smoking campaign telling us what is REALLY in a cigarette--it ain't just tobacco. Yet I can remember not so many years ago when it was cool to smoke Kools etc. My how things change in a couple of decades. On the subject of caffeine, as for me and (sometimes) mine--I have heard President Hinckley, twice, say on national television that we do not drink soda with caffeine, and that is good enough for me (is this a liberal stance ;-p). My two inactive sons do their own thing with that, but when I drive to the temple in Chicago, and afterward go to Jewel to stock up on caffeine free Dr. Pepper, they are ecstatic. I have not yet been able to get local bottlers to get the caffeine free DP here. your sis in Mishawaka val On Sat, 16 Nov 2002 10:11:19 -0800 Stacy Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: What else does coffee have in it besides caffeine? Are there other active ingredients? Stacy. Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com / / /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.399 / Virus Database: 226 - Release Date: 10/09/2002 // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html ///
Re: [ZION] Pamela Lee Anderson: poster girl of a different sort now
Uhhh, probably the latter. I can never get it straight. Not enough of a celebrity watcher, I guess. I'm just pleasantly surprised she may have a positive side to her. Ronn Blankenship wrote: At 08:05 PM 11/18/02, Stephen Beecroft wrote: I'm quite sure that the mere mention of Pamela Lee Anderson² violates several elements of the charter. Perhaps, perhaps not. But quoting from her appearance on Jay Leno tonight¹, during which she talked about a new film project for TNN but not a word about hepatitis C, almost certainly would . . . (And I realize that the timing of this message should just give those males in the Mountain time zone enough time to get the TV warmed up before the show starts . . . _ ¹I always try to catch his Headlines on Monday night, and when I noticed that she was on I decided to stay tuned to see if she said anything about hepatitis C in light of Marc's earlier post. Now I am going to get a few hours of shut-eye and hope there's a break in the clouds when I get up . . . ) ²BTW, isn't it Pamela Anderson Lee rather than Pamela Lee Anderson? Or was that just an attempt to appear ignorant of who she is? ;-) --Ronn! :) I always knew that I would see the first man on the Moon. I never dreamed that I would see the last. --Dr. Jerry Pournelle // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / -- Marc A. Schindler Spruce Grove, Alberta, Canada -- Gateway to the Boreal Parkland Man will occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of the time he will pick himself up and continue on Winston Churchill Note: This communication represents the informal personal views of the author solely; its contents do not necessarily reflect those of the authors employer, nor those of any organization with which the author may be associated. // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^^=== This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^^===
Re: [ZION] Hogwarts and all
As a young girl I never cared to play with dolls. Stacy. At 08:01 PM 11/17/2002 -0600, you wrote: Well, I'll confess that I've been seen occasionally at the DnD table with my son and his friends. My current character, an Elven priest, was zapped into oblivion recently. While I've been busy (and dead in the other realm), the other players were kind enough to get me resurrected. I'm ready to answer any questions about the other side to those who want to know. ;-) I find that fantasy is good, as long as one does not live his life in it. It is an escape, but with anything in this world, it can be addictive and distracting from the important things. I suppose that's why I don't play DnD more than 3-4 times a year usually. There are too many real things to do. Life needs some fun. And we need to be able to develop our imaginations. What books got you reading when you were a kid? How many of you in first grade, were captivated by Stephen Gould's explanations on evolution? Not many, eh? How many were role-playing Spiderman, the Fantastic Four, Batman, Superman, Wonder Woman? Where did you learn of them? Cartoons, comics, etc. Then again, email lists, chat groups, and internet are about as close to fantasy as some get, eh? K'aya K'ama, Gerald/gary Smithgszion1 @juno.comhttp://www .geocities.com/rameumptom/index.html No one is as hopelessly enslaved as the person who thinks he's free. - Johann Wolfgang von Goethe Stacy: I'm much less enthused by Harry Potter. This was discussed on another list, so I'll just say that I think it could encourage young people in a totally different direction. Maybe I'll have to eat humble pie and read all of the books to find out because so many LDS people seem to be in favor of it. Don't you know that'll just irritate Protestant Fundamentalists worse than anything else? They'll think we're Satanists for sure! Stacy. Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.399 / Virus Database: 226 - Release Date: 10/09/2002 // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
