RE: [ZION] When a Girl Marries

2002-12-05 Thread Chet
Jon Spencer wrote: Now this really IS wonderful. Thanks for a great start to my day (well, I taught seminary today, so a great continuation!). And I don't see any flames. Jon Thank you, Jon. We're still kinda floating around in clouds from it all. Just for grins, I wonder if anyone

RE: [ZION] True Christians

2002-12-05 Thread Chet
Gary Smith wrote: So, until you get your eating habit under control, you aren't following the DC, and this means you aren't a true Christian because you aren't following the prophets? I definitely wouldn't be considered one under your definition, either, since there are many things I struggle

RE: [ZION] Two Towers

2002-12-05 Thread Chet
Gary Smith wrote: The only one I'm aware of is the Back to the Future Series. Episodes 2 and 3 were made simultaneously. However, they aren't as complicated as the LOTR, and they only did two episodes at once, not all three. Same thing with *the Three Musketeers* and *the Four Musketeers*

Re: [ZION] True Christians

2002-12-05 Thread John W. Redelfs
After much pondering, Gary Smith favored us with: So, until you get your eating habit under control, you aren't following the DC, and this means you aren't a true Christian because you aren't following the prophets? I definitely wouldn't be considered one under your definition, either, since

Re: [ZION] True Christians

2002-12-05 Thread Elmer L. Fairbank
At 08:37 12/5/2002 -0900, BLT scares us all: --- Mark Gregson --- Joseph Smith had the vision in 1836 in the Kirtland temple. In the vision he saw his father, mother and Alvin in the celestial kingdom. However, his father and mother were still alive when Joseph Smith had the vision. Therefore,

[ZION] Muslim Extremists

2002-12-05 Thread John W. Redelfs
I'm forwarding this from another list. I thought it was pretty funny in a morbid sort of way. --- Please pause a moment, reflect back, and take the following Multiple Choice test. (The events are actual cuts from past history. They actually happened! Do you remember?) 1. In 1972 at the Munich

Re: [ZION] True Christians

2002-12-05 Thread Paul Osborne
There can be no real and true Christianity, even with good works, unless we are deeply and personally committed to the reality of Jesus Christ as the Only Begotten Son of the Father, who bought us, who purchased us in the great act of atonement. Spencer W. Kimball, “The Savior—The Center of Our

[ZION] Teaching Correct Principle

2002-12-05 Thread John W. Redelfs
According the Matthew 7:3, we are not to judge our fellow man. And according the Moroni 7:15 we are commanded to judge between right and wrong. This creates a problem for some who don't read carefully, or who jump to unwarranted conclusions about a writers intent. We are not to judge people.

Re: [ZION] True Christians

2002-12-05 Thread John W. Redelfs
After much pondering, Gary Smith favored us with: You are thinking of the short mortal term we live in. All will bow the knee and profess Christ as Lord. The majority of them will eventually accept Christ, and though they may not merit the Celestial Kingdom, they still will accept the gospel

[ZION] Me, I want a hula hoop.

2002-12-05 Thread Chet
Regardless, in 1836 when the revelation was given, Alvin still had not been baptized For that matter, neither had Theodore or Simon. I'm pretty sure that Leonardo had been, though Clyde Crashcup had Word of Wisdom problems. *jeep! --Chet Start by doing what's necessary, then what's

[ZION] Hell aint cussin'!

2002-12-05 Thread Chet
John W. Redelfs wrote: that hell, whatever that means, is going to be a crowded place My understanding of Hell, as a literal place, comes from Alma Jr's experience while in his famous coma. To me - and I imagine to many people - not being able to have their wife and children with them would

Re: [ZION] Hell aint cussin'!

2002-12-05 Thread Geoff FOWLER
Chet favored us with the following: And every Protestant church I've dealt with has the doctrine that True Christians will be neutered angels in Heaven, with no more feeling for their spouse than one would have for a faithful brother or sister. If that is what they are expecting, and desire,

Re: [ZION] True Christians

2002-12-05 Thread Elmer L. Fairbank
At 09:49 12/5/2002 -0900, BLT wondered : For years we referred to those outside the Church as gentiles. Then that word wasn't good enough, so we stated saying nonmember. Even that term is considered too politically incorrect. So what do we call them today? Lost Till the ever helpful

Re: [ZION] Teaching Correct Principle

2002-12-05 Thread Elmer L. Fairbank
At 09:13 12/5/2002 -0900, BLT wrote: Yet almost every true idea, principle, philosophy or behavior indicts someone. They take it personal. They falsely assume that you are targeting them or a loved one when all you are trying to do is teach the correct principle. I wish others could do as

Re: [ZION] True Christians

2002-12-05 Thread Paul Osborne
I look at it this way: There are two kinds of Christians; those who have the fullness and those who don't. Celestial Christians = Latter-day Saints Terrestrial Christians = Baptists, Catholics, and the rest In this way we can believe our General Authorities when they refer to other churches as

Re: [ZION] True Christians

2002-12-05 Thread Marc A. Schindler
Perhaps we need two different definitions: Christ-like, and Christian? John W. Redelfs wrote: After much pondering, Mark Gregson favored us with: What do we know about being a true Christian? Not much, really, because God has never revealed any definition for true Christian. He has given

Re: [ZION] True Christians

2002-12-05 Thread Marc A. Schindler
potential converts. :-) Elmer L. Fairbank wrote: At 09:49 12/5/2002 -0900, BLT wondered : For years we referred to those outside the Church as gentiles. Then that word wasn't good enough, so we stated saying nonmember. Even that term is considered too politically incorrect. So what do we

Re: [ZION] Muslim Extremists

2002-12-05 Thread Marc A. Schindler
It *is* cute, but also fallacious. You can't tell in advance if an 17-40 year old male Muslim is an extremist or not, that's the problem. This jokes takes it for granted that extremism is what's being screened for, when it isn't. Naturally there's an association between the two, but no causative

Re: [ZION] True Christians

2002-12-05 Thread John W. Redelfs
After much pondering, Paul Osborne favored us with: I look at it this way: There are two kinds of Christians; those who have the fullness and those who don't. Celestial Christians = Latter-day Saints Terrestrial Christians = Baptists, Catholics, and the rest In this way we can believe our

RE: [ZION] When a Girl Marries

2002-12-05 Thread larry . jackson
Chet: Just for grins, I wonder if anyone here is old enough to recognize the source for our subject line? ___ Must come from the famous quote by Helen Rowland: When a girl marries, she exchanges the attentions of many men for the inattention of one. [grin] I'll leave it to you

Re: [ZION] Teaching Correct Principle

2002-12-05 Thread John W. Redelfs
After much pondering, Elmer L. Fairbank favored us with: I know what you are saying and agree in principle, but please read this carefully and see if the phrase puffed up with their own fill in the blank in the last two sentences doesn't jump out at you? Signaturus rhetoric! Do you really

[ZION] JS quote

2002-12-05 Thread Jim Cobabe
At this time, the truth on the guilty should not be told openly, strange as this may seem, yet this is a policy. We must use precaution in bringing sinners to justice, lest in exposing these heinous sins we draw the indignation of a Gentile world upon us (and, to their imagination, justly