RE: [ZION] The Return of the King

2003-11-19 Thread Elmer L. Fairbank
At 04:11 PM 11/18/2003 -0700, Uncle Tom wrote: The wise and venerable Till explains: Realizing that it was satire really helped, I stopped being offended by the seriousness of some of the absurdities. If that stuff is satire then why am I not allowed to guffaw loudly at all the appropriate

RE: [ZION] The Return of the King

2003-11-19 Thread Elmer L. Fairbank
At 11:30 PM 11/18/2003 +, St Stephen wrote: Hey, I'm Tom Bombadil, Tommy Bom-bom-ba-dil-lo! My head is a sieve, and my brain is like Bril-lo! I dance and I sing, and I sing and I dance! I'm a jolly old godling in search of my pants! You've certainly caught the essence, if not quite the

RE: [ZION] The Return of the King

2003-11-18 Thread Elmer L. Fairbank
At 04:18 AM 11/18/2003 -0900, BLT wrote: RB Scott wrote: Ah. The Harry Potter syndrome. Now I understand., Now you understand and I am confused. What is this Harry Potter syndrome? I didn't like the Harry Potter movie that I saw. In fact, I never went to see the next one. And I have never

RE: [ZION] The Return of the King

2003-11-18 Thread Elmer L. Fairbank
At 08:58 AM 11/18/2003 -0500, Uncle Ron wrote: Yes, Tolkein has redeeming social value. I have always been fascinated with his characterizations and I thought the movie version did a reasonable job of bringing them to life. Potter, on the other hand, while entertaining, reminds me a great

Re: [ZION] The Mouse

2003-11-18 Thread Elmer L. Fairbank
At 04:11 PM 11/18/2003 +, Gib Mij wrote: Mickey is 75 today. Somehow defines the age of our culture. Does this age also include his predecessor Steamboat Willy, or just his current incarnation as the Mick? Till

Re: [ZION] Introducing Gary Smith

2003-11-17 Thread Elmer L. Fairbank
At 08:47 PM 11/15/2003 -0600, Heidi the fair wrote: LOVE the suggestion, Gary! We're only 6 hours from Nauvoo...let's plan on it! Till MAY be able to swing it. // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// ///

Re: [ZION] Does anyone know?

2003-11-14 Thread Elmer L. Fairbank
At 09:14 AM 11/14/2003 +0900, Cousin Bill wrote: I mean, it isn't like we're talking about a real sport like . Rugby? Till // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// ///

Re: [ZION] Sons of Perdition

2003-11-14 Thread Elmer L. Fairbank
At 07:57 PM 11/13/2003 -0500, St Jon wrote: If this were lds-poll, I would say that there was a third hell, something about Mass. and one of their Senators. Hey, what about us New Yorkers? Till the downtrodden // ///

Re: [ZION] Starts with G Gap

2003-11-13 Thread Elmer L. Fairbank
At 01:24 AM 11/13/2003 +, Uncle Tom, the Gapper wrote: Usually one is disturbed by widening gaps and happier about narrowing gaps. But sometimes it's the other way around. Till has been ever mindful of the widening gap between those who choose good and those who choose evil.

Re: [ZION] Old Jeeps

2003-11-13 Thread Elmer L. Fairbank
At 10:17 PM 11/12/2003 -0500, Grampa Bill wrote: Grampa Bill comments: Not likely. Early Alzheimers predominently afftects short term memory... not interesting life memories that happened years ago. They say that as you age, your memory is the second thing to go. Unfortunately, I can't

RE: [ZION] Sons of Perdition

2003-11-13 Thread Elmer L. Fairbank
At 10:58 PM 11/12/2003 -0700, Sir Lew wrote: At 01:16 PM 11/12/2003, you wrote: Once Satan is loosed, he will gather an army from amongst those still living upon the earth. However, it will not be anywhere near the numbers he has already taken with him. In a world populated with 10 billion

RE: [ZION] Sons of Perdition

2003-11-13 Thread Elmer L. Fairbank
At 09:11 AM 11/13/2003 -0500, Uncle Ron wrote: Cool your fighting blood and freshen your synapses, Till. If Brother McConkie is right this will obviously be a war of words -- of good thinking/doing prevailing over evil. Otherwise, s'plain to me how one would go about slaying the a spirit, or

RE: [ZION] Old Jeeps

2003-11-13 Thread Elmer L. Fairbank
At 07:58 AM 11/13/2003 -0700, St Steven wrote: I think that was your first mistake--putting your faith and trust in a cornbinder grin. The absolutely worst truck I ever drove (It belonged to my dad, and he owned several trucks for his business) was a 1971 IH pickup. Gutless, always breaking

RE: [ZION] Thrift!

2003-11-12 Thread Elmer L. Fairbank
At 06:31 AM 11/12/2003 -0700, St Steven wrote: The only time I got stuck with my Jeep was when I high centered it near Steinaker Reservoir, north of Vernal. It was on a narrow steep ridge-line that sloped off both ways and also sloped off front and back. I couldn't winch it, had absolutely no

RE: [ZION] Official Doctrine #2

2003-11-10 Thread Elmer L. Fairbank
At 07:09 PM 11/7/2003 +, Rabbi Rabinowitz wrote: The bottom line is that while the question of exaltation may turn on our willingness to enter into the eternal covenant of marriage--a specific commandment--it turns most of all upon our willingness to keep ALL of his commandments and in so

Re: [ZION] This is Me

2003-11-10 Thread Elmer L. Fairbank
At 10:52 AM 11/8/2003 -0900, BLT wrote: Tom Matkin wrote: I wear hats. Fedora's, Pendletons, Straws, Outbacks, and the like. I wear hats in a place where all the other men, and a few of the women, favour ball caps. Even in their Sunday best they will sometimes wear a John Deere cap... to the

Re: [ZION] This is Me

2003-11-10 Thread Elmer L. Fairbank
At 05:11 PM 11/8/2003 -0700, Uncle Tom wrote: I've done a lot of window shopping for hats on the web. There's lots of sites, you can find them by searching for fedora hats on Google. I've drooled quite a lot over Clearwater Hats. They have a nice web presence and a great selection of

Re: [ZION] Sons of perdition

2003-11-10 Thread Elmer L. Fairbank
At 05:16 PM 11/8/2003 -0900, BLT wrote: Gerald Smith wrote: I have some quotes here, which will show that one must do more than receive the Holy Ghost and reject it to become a candidate for perdition. You will see that one must receive the Holy Ghost, have the heavens opened up, know God, and

RE: [ZION] Thrift!

2003-11-10 Thread Elmer L. Fairbank
At 10:39 PM 11/8/2003 -0600, St John AE wrote: Back in the 70's I bought an MG Midget. It was new and I paid too much fir it, but it was a really cool car. It was fast, cornered like an expensive sports car and economical on the gas bill. It was the most fun I ever had driving. Yes, yes,

Re: [ZION] Official Doctrine #2

2003-11-07 Thread Elmer L. Fairbank
At 11:28 AM 11/6/2003 -0900, BLT wrote: Eternal Marriage Is Essential for Exaltation Many people in the world consider marriage to be only a social custom, a legal agreement between a man and a woman to live together. But to Latter-day Saints, marriage is much more. Our exaltation depends on

Re: [ZION] Commies and Pinkos

2003-11-07 Thread Elmer L. Fairbank
At 03:32 PM 11/6/2003 -0900, BLT wrote: And if you go looking for commies and pinkos you still might be able to find some of them if you look in the right places: China North Korea Cuba Vietnam Harvard Yale ??? Cornell! Till

Re: [ZION] An Illustrious Group

2003-11-07 Thread Elmer L. Fairbank
At 05:31 PM 11/6/2003 -0900, BLT wrote: Tom Valletta has just joined us. Yofi, Welcome home Br'er Tom. Till // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html ///

Re: [ZION] Official Doctrine #2

2003-11-07 Thread Elmer L. Fairbank
At 03:44 PM 11/6/2003 -0900, BLT wrote: George Cobabe wrote: As you know, John, when you ask the question I can testify that this is true. However there is more to the answer than what has been presented. I would be delighted to discuss this topic with courtesy and good will, if that would be

RE: [ZION] Official Doctrine #2

2003-11-07 Thread Elmer L. Fairbank
At 02:36 AM 11/7/2003 +, Gib Mij wrote: Many of us take it seriously too. As a single man I am working on addressing this concern as quickly as sanity and comfort can afford. I have discovered that it is not an easy thing for an older man. My friend, just care about all those around you,

Re: [ZION] An Illustrious Group

2003-11-07 Thread Elmer L. Fairbank
At 07:52 AM 11/7/2003 -0700, Br'er Tom wrote: Ah, but I miss the lush hills of Ithaca!!! And the great people too. Did you say we're lushes here? The Hill's moved to Provo years ago, although he WAS back for a visit this summer. It IS pretty country here, though. Till

Re: [ZION] Commies and Pinkos

2003-11-07 Thread Elmer L. Fairbank
At 07:31 AM 11/7/2003 -0700, Br'er Tom wrote: Oh no. Is this a confession? Cornell! Till Tom the concerned. ;- When my 5th son was an undergraduate here, he used to complain all the time about some of his left-wing, commie professors, with their touchy-feely pseudo-intellectual

Re: [ZION] Official Doctrine #2

2003-11-07 Thread Elmer L. Fairbank
At 08:20 AM 11/7/2003 -0700, St George wrote: That's fine, Till. However I do not think you know the question in mind. You see, I find Sec 132 more that supportative and I believe it to be true as well. It is the scriptures, including 132, that I find supportive. With all due respect, my

Re: [ZION] A reading list

2003-11-07 Thread Elmer L. Fairbank
At 08:28 AM 11/7/2003 -0700, St George wrote: Ah - a topic that will not engender evil emotions. I just finished reading By the Hand of Mormon by Terryl Givens. A excellant book regarding the history and perspectives of the Book of Mormon from historical as well as non-mormon perspective.

RE: [ZION] Wee Small Hours

2003-11-07 Thread Elmer L. Fairbank
At 05:48 AM 11/7/2003 -0500, Uncle Ron wrote: My youngest daughter attends school in Chestnut Hill, a section of Newton: Ah, yes, nice school. We (meaning Ithaca Ballet**) have one of our girls gong there this year, Dasha Kittridge, as a drama major. A marvelously talented and beautiful

RE: [ZION] Wee Small Hours

2003-11-07 Thread Elmer L. Fairbank
Oh, man, how can a nut make THAT mistake? We was thinking, as Ron will easily recognize, of Walnut Hill, which is where, in Natick? Till the embarrassed (t least it was a cocunut!) At 05:48 AM 11/7/2003 -0500, Uncle Ron wrote: My youngest daughter attends school in Chestnut Hill, a section of

Re: [ZION] Official Church Doctrine #1

2003-11-05 Thread Elmer L. Fairbank
At 07:42 AM 11/5/2003 -0700, St George wrote: I would be happy to teach Mother Theresa about the nature of God. Could you arrange a meeting? Your place or hers? Till // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at ///

RE: [ZION] Welcome to the List, Ron

2003-11-05 Thread Elmer L. Fairbank
At 09:15 AM 11/5/2003 -0500, Uncle Ron wrote: Ad hominem defined: he who defines the term, can always redefine it to justify his attacks. But thanks, Till. I hope my differences of opinion aren't inferred (again) as ad hominems, but are regarded as they are intended: challenges to beliefs and

[ZION] Nehors - was: Unconditional Love

2003-11-05 Thread Elmer L. Fairbank
At 04:50 PM 11/5/2003 +, Gary wrote: What is important is that we don't twist that love as did Nehor and as do many today, to excuse their sinful natures. Has anyone taken the time and energy to look at the Anti-Christs in the Book of Mormon, such as Nehors, Korihor and company, to see

[ZION] Election Day

2003-11-04 Thread Elmer L. Fairbank
Don't forget to vote early and vote often. Till // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html ///

Re: [ZION] Starts with F Gossip

2003-11-03 Thread Elmer L. Fairbank
At 10:25 AM 11/3/2003 -0700, Uncle Presidente wrote: You ask yourself these three simple questions: 1. Is this fact about so and so kind? 2. Do I have undisputable knowledge of it, in other words, is it true? 3. Does the person I'm planning to share this with have a need to

Re: [ZION] Wish List

2003-11-03 Thread Elmer L. Fairbank
At 05:26 PM 11/2/2003 -0900, you wrote: I am compiling a wish list of people I miss, people that I wish would actively participate on the list. Would any of you care to help me make my wish list? I can think of three quickly. Patty Crossett, Ron Scott (always good as a foil for the BLT), and

Re: [ZION] Roll Call

2003-10-31 Thread Elmer L. Fairbank
At 10:59 AM 10/30/2003 -0900, you wrote: Some former list members are returning. Hallelujah! I'm interested in finding out who is still here. Let's have a roll call. How about you Elmer Fairbanks? We're not sure about him. But Attilla the ELF is still alive and well Can anyone think of a

Re: [ZION] Starts With G

2003-10-31 Thread Elmer L. Fairbank
At 02:50 PM 10/30/2003 -0700, Uncle Tom Presidente wrote: Think of how many things that start with G need to be taught (learned?). how about galloping gruff gregarious goats? gastric? grease? gangly? groovy? gravy? garters? oops Till

Re: [PMX:#] [ZION] Harold Bloom

2003-10-31 Thread Elmer L. Fairbank
At 04:32 PM 10/31/2003 +, Gary wrote: Oh, and BTW, I'm here, too. Perhaps I'll stay a while, depending on the tenor of the discussions. Oh, good. John and I will sing bass! Till // /// ZION LIST CHARTER:

Re: [PMX:#] [ZION] the Need for Speed

2003-10-09 Thread Elmer L. Fairbank
Chet, I was strongly impressed by Elder Faust's talk on Saturday afternoon. It was followed by Elder Packer. The two together were a real pair of zingers. I see the text isn't on-line yet, but should be soon. ELF At 01:14 AM 10/9/2003 +, you wrote: It's Wednesday night at 9 pm and

Re: [PMX:#] [ZION] the Need for Speed

2003-10-09 Thread Elmer L. Fairbank
Maybe it was just Elder Packer's. Oh, the joys of aging! Till the muddled At 01:14 AM 10/9/2003 +, you wrote: It's Wednesday night at 9 pm and the phone rings. (You already know what's coming, don't you?) The bishopric (of our newest ward in Marysville, Michigan) just asked us to give

Re: [PMX:#] [ZION] the Need for Speed

2003-10-09 Thread Elmer L. Fairbank
At 07:33 AM 10/9/2003 -0400, you wrote: Maybe it was just Elder Packer's. Oh, the joys of aging! Till the muddled OK, I just played the video feed. It was Elder Packer, followed by Elder Hales. Those were the two. Strong, clear testimonies for our day. Till the penitent At 01:14 AM

RE: [ZION] Thought for the day

2003-09-22 Thread Elmer L. Fairbank
At 09:38 AM 9/22/2003 -0500, the amazing Heidi the Fair wrote: Works for me! Especially if it's Dove or Lindt chocolate! By the way, Job...aren't you in North Carolina? If so, did you sustain any damage from Isabel? Heidi is now in correspondence with a real hero. Shall we all sit and give

Re: [ZION] Crying Babies

2003-09-22 Thread Elmer L. Fairbank
At 06:39 AM 9/22/2003 -0800, BKT wrote: Once all possible needs have been addressed, there is something satisfying about letting a baby cry until she finally gives it up. The sisters are not especially good at this, but I can do it just fine. --JWR That's 'cause your hearing has gone south,

RE: [ZION] Thought for the day

2003-09-22 Thread Elmer L. Fairbank
At 08:50 AM 9/22/2003 -0600, St Steven wrote: At 08:44 AM 9/22/2003, you wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Works for me! Especially if it's Dove or Lindt chocolate! My favorite is Cadbury Royal Dark. In fact, I like them so much that I just bought 15 bars and a Rubbermaid container to keep them

RE: [ZION] Thought for the day

2003-09-22 Thread Elmer L. Fairbank
At 09:58 AM 9/22/2003 -0500, Hei..y the Fair wrote: Hey, it's Monday...it's rainy...I didn't use my spellchecker... :-) Heidi (who almost just typo'ed her own name!) We're afraid to ask, so don't tell. Till // ///

Re: [ZION] Confusion in Gospel Doctrine Class

2003-09-10 Thread Elmer L. Fairbank
John (BLT) and I once attended a presentation on Paul's Views on Women given by none other than our own (AWOL) Tom Valetta. Tom has now been released as Mission President and should be back available for comment. John?? It was a great presentation. IIRC, he maintained that it was Greek

Re: [ZION] Help needed for a quotation

2003-09-09 Thread Elmer L. Fairbank
At 06:16 PM 9/8/2003 -0600,St Steven wrote: Help. I'm in need of a quote. It's a quote from General Conference which says (paraphrased) that in the coming years there will be greater and greater division of the righteous from the wicked. That the righteous will get more righteous and the wicked

Re: [ZION] Help needed for a quotation

2003-09-09 Thread Elmer L. Fairbank
At 07:26 AM 9/9/2003 -0600, St Steven wrote: At 05:45 AM 9/9/2003, you wrote: At 06:16 PM 9/8/2003 -0600,St Steven wrote: Help. I'm in need of a quote. It's a quote from General Conference which says (paraphrased) that in the coming years there will be greater and greater division of the

Re: [ZION] The Meaning of the Olive Press or the Winepress in Practical Terms

2003-09-08 Thread Elmer L. Fairbank
Don't overlook the symbolism of the well of living water, the water of life, and the water of rebirth. Also, IIRC, the use of water was a practical solution to a societal problem, referenced in the Doctrine and Covenants. Till At 01:13 PM 9/8/2003 -0400, you wrote: The overwhelming majority

RE: [ZION] Temple Defilement

2003-08-21 Thread Elmer L. Fairbank
a very disturbing sign of the times? ELF Elmer L. Fairbank N2OKConsultant/Advisor Molecular Biology GeneticsCornell University G63 Biotech Bldg607-255-2147 check out my web page: http://elf.mbg.cornell.edu

Re: [ZION] The September Six Today

2003-08-20 Thread Elmer L. Fairbank
At 07:08 AM 8/20/2003 -0600, St Steven wrote: At 07:44 PM 8/19/2003, Jon wrote: What I find interesting is that of those whose works I have read, I found only Gileadi to be inspired, long before I knew that he had been ex'ed. My understanding of Isaiah expanded tremendously when I read his first

Re: [ZION] DNA and the Book of Mormon

2003-08-14 Thread Elmer L. Fairbank
At 08:58 PM 8/11/2003 -0400, Grampa Bill wrote: Paul Osborne wrote: I'm brutally honest just like JR is but with less tact. Grampa Bill asks: Less tact than JR? Hard to believe! :-) Till says: Hard to conceive!

Re: [ZION] Mars

2003-07-31 Thread Elmer L. Fairbank
At 11:10 AM 7/30/2003 -0600, St Steven wrote: Or, could Mars be playing out a grand spectacular nighttime drama--symbolic of the struggle between Christ and Satan? In other words, Is Mars playing the role of the great usurper--challenging Christ (The Planet Venus) for supremacy. Mars rules

Re: [ZION] Mars

2003-07-31 Thread Elmer L. Fairbank
At 05:59 AM 7/31/2003 -0600, St Steven wrote: At 05:24 AM 7/31/2003, you wrote: At 11:10 AM 7/30/2003 -0600, St Steven wrote: Or, could Mars be playing out a grand spectacular nighttime drama--symbolic of the struggle between Christ and Satan? In other words, Is Mars playing the role of the

Re: [ZION] Mars

2003-07-31 Thread Elmer L. Fairbank
At 11:06 AM 7/31/2003 -0600, you wrote: At 09:03 AM 7/31/2003, Till wrote: Yes, I chose the term carefully. Christ does, in fact, serve as a bridge for us between darkness and light. It is only through him that we are able to cross the gulf. BTW, I saw Mars a couple mornings ago, just

Re: [ZION] Having One's Calling and Election Made Sure and the Fact that Most

2003-07-17 Thread Elmer L. Fairbank
At 07:52 AM 7/13/2003 -0400, you wrote: Paul Osborne wrote to our BLT: I'm a bigger jerk than you and that's pretty bad! ;-) Grampa Bill comments: But Till lives in a deeper (and more humble) hole than either of you. Yes, yes, and his floor is so covered

Re: [ZION] Having One's Calling and Election Made Sure and the Fact that Most

2003-07-17 Thread Elmer L. Fairbank
At 10:03 AM 7/13/2003 -0600, Cousin St George wrote: One of the points that ought to worry you that is not on your list is the idea that you will be tried to the limit of your ability. Just like Abraham was tested so you will be tested - differently but as severe. Just as others that we can

Re: [ZION] Having One's Calling and Election Made Sure and the Fact that Most

2003-07-17 Thread Elmer L. Fairbank
At 10:03 AM 7/13/2003 -0600, Cousin St George wrote: One of the points that ought to worry you that is not on your list is the idea that you will be tried to the limit of your ability. Just like Abraham was tested so you will be tested - differently but as severe. Just as others that we can

Re: [ZION] Having One's Calling and Election Made Sure and ...

2003-07-17 Thread Elmer L. Fairbank
At 01:55 PM 7/13/2003 -0500, St Stacy wrote: What would such a test consist of? Physical endurance? Brainwashing? Torture or something less diabolical such as integrity? What about martyrdom? Can we have any stories? Till suspects that those what has them would rather not tell them.

Re: [ZION] Having One's Calling and Election Made Sure and ...

2003-07-17 Thread Elmer L. Fairbank
At 09:22 PM 7/13/2003 -0800, BLT wrote: Still, the only thing that keeps me going is the fact that it won't last forever. Death will bring some relief when it finally comes. All I have to do is endure to the end. Relief from what, John?Us We're here to take care of eachother. I

[ZION] Pres Kimball

2003-07-03 Thread Elmer L. Fairbank
Every week, in my letter to my missionary, I try to include what I regard to be a significant conference talk. This week I revisited Pres Kimball's address to the priesthood in Nov 1978. I remember listening to that talk, in the days before we had any video feed, late at night and fading in

Re: [ZION] hand shakes

2003-06-25 Thread Elmer L. Fairbank
At 10:05 AM 6/24/2003 -0600, Uncle Ronn wrote: I'm beginning to think that perhaps people should be exposed to as many germs as possible, starting with early childhood. That way the body can build up its immune system and develop resistance to as many germs and viruses as possible. For example,

Re: [ZION] hand shakes

2003-06-25 Thread Elmer L. Fairbank
At 06:32 AM 6/25/2003 -0500, this time Uncle Ronn really did write: Just for clarity: not me! Yeah, I noticed that after I had pushed the send button Till // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// ///

Re: [PMX:#] RE: [ZION] Test

2003-06-03 Thread Elmer L Fairbank
At 16:35 6/2/2003 +, St Larry wrote: Till: That plane wouldn't have been Air France would it? ___ No, but I can't tell you who it was, sorry. I remember almost 40 years ago watching planes touch down at the Montreal airport and all the Air France birds would come bouncing in

Re: [PMX:#] RE: [ZION] Test

2003-06-02 Thread Elmer L Fairbank
At 10:14 5/31/2003 -0500, Sir Larry wrote: No bounce at this end. You message landed with a solid thud. But, not to waste a perfectly good email: Many years ago at an international airport, I was in an airplane behind a British Airways airliner. We were both waiting for an airliner from

Re: [ZION] I'm all shook up.

2003-05-27 Thread Elmer L Fairbank
At 11:42 5/27/2003 -0400, St Jon wrote: Larry Jackson wrote: My earthquake story isn't nearly as exciting, sorry. I actually have several other exciting earthquake stories (in a car with transformers power blowing up around me and power lines dropping, in a house on a cliff overlooking the

Re: [ZION] Moral War

2003-01-24 Thread Elmer L. Fairbank
At 10:56 1/23/2003 -0900, BLT wrote: Fundamental principle: Self-defense is OK. Everything else is unlawful. 1) We defend ourselves even if it means shedding blood. 2) We never give offense. 3) We never fight except to preserve our lives. 4) We only fight when God commands us to fight. I

Re: Fwd: Re: [ZION] Notice from Listowner

2002-12-23 Thread Elmer L. Fairbank
At 09:01 12/23/2002 -0500, Till tested: St Stacy queried: How do we forward replies over there? I'm testing this right now. It should be to cut and paste [EMAIL PROTECTED] into the To: field. If you don't get this message, let me know! I've gotten it back via smartgroups, I'm still

Re: Fwd: Re: [ZION] Notice from Listowner

2002-12-23 Thread Elmer L. Fairbank
At 09:03 12/23/2002 -0500, you wrote: At 09:01 12/23/2002 -0500, Till tested: St Stacy queried: How do we forward replies over there? I'm testing this right now. It should be to cut and paste [EMAIL PROTECTED] into the To: field. If you don't get this message, let me know! I've

RE: [ZION] Subject to natural law

2002-12-20 Thread Elmer L. Fairbank
At 20:41 12/19/2002 +, Gib Mij wrote: Paul Osborne wrote: --- Not so. When God lays his hands upon my head and ordains me God Almighty there will be nothing that I don't know. The learning process will have ended. --- Yes, and I certainly hope you will have completed your

RE: [ZION] Curiosity About Alma 1:21

2002-12-20 Thread Elmer L. Fairbank
At 04:15 12/20/2002 +0800, His Grace, Bishop Mark wrote: Probably so. I would weep for your pitiful, ignorant state, but you're above my visual range. Hey wait, those are my lines. John, Stephen's stealing my schtick. Can't you make him play nice? Doggone it, would you folks just hold

Re: [ZION] Where do old hippies go?

2002-12-20 Thread Elmer L. Fairbank
At 13:50 12/19/2002 -0700, M Marc wrote: I thought this one was good for a chuckle... http://www.globeandmail.ca/series/cartoon/19thuedcar.html Sad but true. I think Ithaca is like the elephant graveyard for these folks. Somebody once remarked about witnessing the death of a

Re: [ZION] Dr Red Green was right all along

2002-12-20 Thread Elmer L. Fairbank
At 22:02 12/19/2002 -0500, Princess Val queried: OK--my question--how DOES the duct tape work on a wart? Very well, thank you. Actually, warts are aerobic viruses, I'm told, and need oxygen to thrive. Duct tape would effectively snufficate the little boogers, I suppose. Till

Re: [ZION] Natural Law

2002-12-20 Thread Elmer L. Fairbank
At 00:50 12/20/2002 -0900, the venerable BLT wrote: There is a law which God must obey, one that is above him. Call it natural law or anything else you like. Because mankind is at an infantile stage of development compared with God, we probably don't even know what the laws are by which God

RE: [ZION] Curiosity About Alma 1:21

2002-12-19 Thread Elmer L. Fairbank
At 02:05 12/19/2002 +, St Stephen wrote: Probably so. I would weep for your pitiful, ignorant state, but you're above my visual range. Hey wait, those are my lines. John, Stephen's stealing my schtick. Can't you make him play nice? Till the crushed

Re: [ZION] World's Tallest Buildings

2002-12-19 Thread Elmer L. Fairbank
At 17:30 12/18/2002 -0900, BLT wrote: I think it is hubris to imagine we should build towers still taller than the WTC. Sure they can build them, but the experience with the WTC proves that someone else can knock them down. What is the point? Why make buildings a tempting target

Re: [ZION] No biological basis for race

2002-12-18 Thread Elmer L. Fairbank
At 14:45 12/17/2002 -0700, M Marc St Stephan wrote: to play the fool. Stephen Play the fool is not a scientific concept either ;-) Hey, wait, that's my part! You'se guys can't be stealing my part ... Till who even got a new costume for the next show

Re: [ZION] Re: New guy

2002-12-17 Thread Elmer L. Fairbank
, some of us are happy to have you aboard Till the benevolent Elmer L. Fairbank N2OKConsultant/Advisor Molecular Biology GeneticsCornell University G63 Biotech Bldg607-255-2147 check out my web page: http://elf.mbg.cornell.edu

RE: [ZION] Banning motorcycles

2002-12-17 Thread Elmer L. Fairbank
At 03:14 12/17/2002 +, Sir Chester wrote: I was zipping along a Missouri road back in 1975 and fell off my motorcycle. Luckily, my fall was broken by my face on the pavement or I could've hurt myself. So it's not motorcycles which are dangerous. It's roads. Or faces. Even Till has

Re: [ZION] New guy

2002-12-17 Thread Elmer L. Fairbank
At 21:16 12/16/2002 -0600, St Paul not Minnesota wrote: I've only been here a couple years and they haven't thrown me out yet. grin Notice carefully the yet 8)) Till // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at

Re: [ZION] New guy

2002-12-17 Thread Elmer L. Fairbank
At 05:43 12/17/2002 -0700, Gib Egroeg wrote: I was trying not to let it happen, but I think you topped everyone and surely had the last word on this. George - Original Message - From: Stephen Beecroft [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 16, 2002 10:47 PM

RE: [ZION] New guy

2002-12-17 Thread Elmer L. Fairbank
At 17:53 12/17/2002 +, Sir Chester wrote: You proceed from a false assumption. A football doesn't HAVE feathers. Certainly not in the same respect that horses and gophers do. Till who used to hate gopher feathers in his orange juice when he was a little tyke

RE: [ZION] Banning motorcycles

2002-12-16 Thread Elmer L. Fairbank
At 21:09 12/13/2002 +, Sir Chester wrote: Elmer L. Fairbank wrote: Chet, my friend, that's And little lambs eat ivy, a kid'll eat ivy too, wouldn't you? Till the very helpful Evidently you can remember Gallegher Sheen easier than I. (No, not Sledge-O-Matic Gallegher and Martin

RE: [ZION] Banning motorcycles

2002-12-16 Thread Elmer L. Fairbank
At 11:56 12/16/2002 -0700, Uncle Presidente wrote: But I'll have to assume, on your say so, that the list thinks that motorcycles are the embodiment of evil and I should sell mine and use the proceeds to purchase one of the inevitable classic collector's leather embossed box sets of LOTR movie

RE: [ZION] Banning motorcycles

2002-12-13 Thread Elmer L. Fairbank
At 19:12 12/12/2002 +, Sir Chester wrote: Elmer L. Fairbank wrote: Sure blame it on the buttered cat .. gloating goats and glazed groats and grazed oats indeed! And little lambs eat ivy. A-deedle-dee-aiydee-doo, wouldn't you? Chet, my friend, that's And little lambs eat ivy

Re: [ZION] heck ain't cussin

2002-12-13 Thread Elmer L. Fairbank
At 10:58 12/13/2002 -0500, St Jon wrote: I watched a very learned Lutheran schoolar explain this entire subject (the Trinity) on TV once, and I felt inclined to write to the school that gave him his doctor of divinity degree and advise them to retract it. It was pure, illogical gibberish, with

Re: [ZION] Banning motorcycles

2002-12-12 Thread Elmer L. Fairbank
At 07:03 12/12/2002 +, Sir Chet wrote: This accident you describe sounds worse though. How's that again? He rode his motorcycle down the stairs and accelerated his fall? I think he said he was chasing his tail on the steps and tripped over the motorcycle, accelerating his downfall.

Re: [ZION] Banning motorcycles

2002-12-12 Thread Elmer L. Fairbank
At 12:24 12/12/2002 -0400, you wrote: You guys have it all WRONG! I sliped and fell down some stairs, injuring my butt so that I can not ride my newly aquired Motorcycle. My complaint is that I can't ride the thing. I sometimes go out into the garage just to gaze longingly at it. I tried riding

RE: [ZION] Banning motorcycles

2002-12-12 Thread Elmer L. Fairbank
At 10:30 12/12/2002 -0700, Uncle Presidente wrote: Wow ELF, you really have it mixed up this time. Scott dripped some butter on his stairs while longing to get over his grudge against mountain goats grazing against two sure things. Sure blame it on the buttered cat .. gloating goats and

Re: The Two Towers Anticipation (was Re: [ZION] Are any of you having problems

2002-12-10 Thread Elmer L. Fairbank
At 00:28 12/11/2002 +0800, Bishop Mark wrote: 3.) When all three movies are completed, the opus will considered one of the greatest cinematic achievements of all time. It will be a standard against which all other directors' works will be judged. Maybe no one will ever attempt anything like

Re: [ZION] Are any of you having problems?

2002-12-09 Thread Elmer L. Fairbank
At 21:44 12/8/2002 -0700, M Marc wrote: feeds Jonah Greenberg to the caribou, Does PETA know about this? Are they just sitting still over it? Till the helpful // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// ///

Re: [ZION] Are any of you having problems?

2002-12-09 Thread Elmer L. Fairbank
At 11:11 12/9/2002 -0400, M Scott wrote: On Sun, 08 Dec 2002 19:41:17 -0700, Marc A. Schindler [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: I think it's just been quiet. Everyone's still digesting turkey and cranberry sauce. It's that cranberry sauce. Nasty stuff! It will poison you! Jo is the only one at our

Re: [ZION] Are any of you having problems?

2002-12-09 Thread Elmer L. Fairbank
At 11:23 12/9/2002 -0400, M Scott wrote: On Mon, 09 Dec 2002 07:23:27 -0500, Elmer L. Fairbank [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: At 21:44 12/8/2002 -0700, M Marc wrote: feeds Jonah Greenberg to the caribou, Does PETA know about this? Are they just sitting still over it? Till, Aren't stills

Re: [ZION] Teaching Correct Principle

2002-12-06 Thread Elmer L. Fairbank
At 16:47 12/5/2002 -0900, BLT wrote: After much pondering, Elmer L. Fairbank favored us with: I know what you are saying and agree in principle, but please read this carefully and see if the phrase puffed up with their own fill in the blank in the last two sentences doesn't jump out at you

Re: [ZION] True Christians

2002-12-05 Thread Elmer L. Fairbank
At 08:37 12/5/2002 -0900, BLT scares us all: --- Mark Gregson --- Joseph Smith had the vision in 1836 in the Kirtland temple. In the vision he saw his father, mother and Alvin in the celestial kingdom. However, his father and mother were still alive when Joseph Smith had the vision. Therefore,

Re: [ZION] True Christians

2002-12-05 Thread Elmer L. Fairbank
At 09:49 12/5/2002 -0900, BLT wondered : For years we referred to those outside the Church as gentiles. Then that word wasn't good enough, so we stated saying nonmember. Even that term is considered too politically incorrect. So what do we call them today? Lost Till the ever helpful

Re: [ZION] Teaching Correct Principle

2002-12-05 Thread Elmer L. Fairbank
At 09:13 12/5/2002 -0900, BLT wrote: Yet almost every true idea, principle, philosophy or behavior indicts someone. They take it personal. They falsely assume that you are targeting them or a loved one when all you are trying to do is teach the correct principle. I wish others could do as

Re: [ZION] Paul's dad

2002-12-02 Thread Elmer L. Fairbank
At 22:12 11/28/2002 -0500, St Jon wrote: Did I read this correctly? Did you say that denying yourself the blessings of the temple IS the way to face problems? No, you're supposed to read what I MEANT, not what I wrote. Till the getting confuseder

Re: [ZION] Saving My Head

2002-12-02 Thread Elmer L. Fairbank
At 20:47 12/2/2002 -0900, you wrote: John, I think your clock is 12 hours ahead of you. Sure messes up my sorting! Till the fussbudget // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// ///

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