Re: [ZION] heck ain't cussin

2002-12-17 Thread George Cobabe
- From: John W. Redelfs [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 16, 2002 7:21 PM Subject: Re: [ZION] heck ain't cussin George Cobabe favored us with: Marc - would it be true to say that we LDS believe in a universal definition of Godhood, and what is entailed

Re: [ZION] heck ain't cussin

2002-12-17 Thread John W. Redelfs
George Cobabe favored us with: The problem is that the doctrine of the trinity is so convoluted we cannot if discuss it without being subject to the same requirements of confusion and misunderstanding. Not much simpler is it? I think I got it the second time around. Still, conceptually it is

Re: [ZION] heck ain't cussin

2002-12-16 Thread George Cobabe
- then does the false notion of trinitarianism have a basis in truth, but then it is corrupted in its application? George - Original Message - From: Marc A. Schindler [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]e Monday, December 16, 2002 12:59 PM Subject: Re: [ZION] heck ain't cussin I'll give

Re: [ZION] heck ain't cussin

2002-12-16 Thread Marc A. Schindler
The problem is there's a trap for the innocent here. I know what you mean, and would agree with it. The problem is that Platonists would ascribe an *independent* existence to a characteristic. Kind of like turning an adjective into a noun. So God became an abstract and separate existence an und

Re: [ZION] heck ain't cussin

2002-12-16 Thread George Cobabe
, 2002 3:32 PM Subject: Re: [ZION] heck ain't cussin The problem is there's a trap for the innocent here. I know what you mean, and would agree with it. The problem is that Platonists would ascribe an *independent* existence to a characteristic. Kind of like turning an adjective into a noun. So God

Re: [ZION] heck ain't cussin

2002-12-16 Thread Marc A. Schindler
Jon Spencer wrote: I watched a very learned Lutheran schoolar explain this entire subject (the Trinity) on TV once, and I felt inclined to write to the school that gave him his doctor of divinity degree and advise them to retract it. It was pure, illogical gibberish, with many hidden (and

Re: [ZION] heck ain't cussin

2002-12-16 Thread John W. Redelfs
George Cobabe favored us with: Marc - would it be true to say that we LDS believe in a universal definition of Godhood, and what is entailed in that high station, and see infinite manifestations of that universal concept? What is God is a universal constant that many, many are exalted to conform

Re: [ZION] heck ain't cussin

2002-12-13 Thread Jon Spencer
I watched a very learned Lutheran schoolar explain this entire subject (the Trinity) on TV once, and I felt inclined to write to the school that gave him his doctor of divinity degree and advise them to retract it. It was pure, illogical gibberish, with many hidden (and unproven) assumptions. As

Re: [ZION] heck ain't cussin

2002-12-13 Thread Elmer L. Fairbank
At 10:58 12/13/2002 -0500, St Jon wrote: I watched a very learned Lutheran schoolar explain this entire subject (the Trinity) on TV once, and I felt inclined to write to the school that gave him his doctor of divinity degree and advise them to retract it. It was pure, illogical gibberish, with

RE: [ZION] heck ain't cussin

2002-12-13 Thread Chet
Stacy Smith wrote: The way I understood the entire thing is that it would be like splitting water into its various forms but with each being capable of reacting separately, something water can't do. Stacy. So basic'ly, we're back at the malfunctioning transporter again. (See the

RE: [ZION] heck ain't cussin

2002-12-12 Thread Chet
Stacy Smith wrote: I think that as a former Protestant I understood much about trinitarian theology and understood what it meant. I had very few vague ideas about the subject. Could you explain it to me, then? In all my years in Southern Baptist, and in all my wife's years in various

RE: [ZION] heck ain't cussin

2002-12-12 Thread Stacy Smith
The way I understood the entire thing is that it would be like splitting water into its various forms but with each being capable of reacting separately, something water can't do. Stacy. At 03:46 PM 12/12/2002 +, you wrote: Stacy Smith wrote: I think that as a former Protestant I

[ZION] heck ain't cussin

2002-12-08 Thread Gary Smith
Most people don't understand well the doctrines of their church. That includes LDS members, though the active ones probably understand our basic tenets better than those of other churches. Most Trinitarians do not understand the Trinity well (most believe in modalism, a few even believe in the