RE: [ZION] New National Parks

2002-10-04 Thread Elmer L. Fairbank
At 16:49 10/3/2002 -0600, Uncle Presidente wrote: They also announced, or it was said that the government would announce, that Waterton National Park (the northern contiguous sister park to Glacier National Park) will be increased in size. I was wondering if I would wake up this morning and find

Re: Wargaming (was Re: [ZION] Ways food storage could be activated)

2002-10-04 Thread Elmer L. Fairbank
At 18:33 10/3/2002 -0600, M Marc wrote: There's a real-life precedent for your scenario: Napoleon's invasion of Russia, and that was just the Priepsky Marshes that he had to navigate. Territory and weather were major causes of the Nazi failure in their attempt at invading Russia, too. Yes,

RE: [ZION] Ways food storage could be activated

2002-10-04 Thread Scott McGee
On Thu, 03 Oct 2002 10:06:31 -0600, Tom Matkin [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: virtual breath. Anyway I'm guessing the acronym is Masticate your own beans. No! Were we not discussing food storage and such? It goes with that: Make Your Own Bread! It is good advice for those who stored a lot of wheat,

Re: [ZION] To act or to be acted upon

2002-10-04 Thread Scott McGee
On Thu, 03 Oct 2002 15:58:07 -0600, Marc A. Schindler [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: I agree with you, but think that you are referring to a moral sphere. In more everyday matters, it's not sin that necessarily limits a country's options. Marc, Your comments were fascinating, and I might come back

Re: [ZION] Temperature [Tariffs and War]

2002-10-04 Thread Scott McGee
On Thu, 3 Oct 2002 22:45:37 -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: I would think someone would notice the difference between -40 and +40 (even in Medicine Hat?), although the US Army folks near here are the same way. What difference does a few degrees make, as long as you figure the trajectory

[ZION] Seasons Greetings from the Great White North (wargaming)

2002-10-04 Thread Mark Gregson
Seasons Greetings from the Great White North! I woke up this morning to a centimeter or two of snow, our first snowfall of the season. We often get snow right around General Conference time (but then it can warm up a little for a few weeks). Napolean started with his Grande Armee

Re: [ZION] Seasons Greetings from the Great White North (wargaming)

2002-10-04 Thread Elmer L. Fairbank
At 23:28 10/4/2002 +0800, Bishop Mark wrote: Napolean started with his Grande Armee towards Russia with about 500,000 men. The 10,000 that barely survived escaped Russia in early December. So 80,000 Russian losses were not so bad, all things considered. Napolean got his just desserts.

Re: [ZION] Iraq and war

2002-10-04 Thread Jon Spencer
Actually, I do agree that this is a big mistake. Since probably at most only 1/2 of your armed forces are fighting forces, when the Mexican army reaches your border with the US, you may really miss those 2,000. Jon Marc A. Schindler wrote: Canada ready to send 2 000 troops along with US

[ZION] Canae bellii

2002-10-04 Thread Marc A. Schindler
[my latin's not very good -- that's supposed to translate as the dogs of war] This cartoon expresses my feelings fairly well. Just thought Stephen would appreciate some more fuel for his exegetical pipe for recreational carbonizing ;-)

Re: [ZION] A Saint First, Then an American

2002-10-04 Thread Jon Spencer
I am an American Saint. The two go together and should cause no one angst, even Canadian Saints, or American Saints living in Japan. Jon Grampa Bill wrote: Our BLT wrote: I am a saint first, and then an American. I hope we all feel that way. === Grampa Bill

Re: [ZION] Chuckle

2002-10-04 Thread Jon Spencer
Have you submitted these to the Professor from England (who may indeed be an English professor)? The article you referred us to said that Canadians had the worst sense of humor, but this one about Grandpa is funnier than the NJ joke. Jon Marc A. Schindler wrote: My Dad's new .sig file: I

Re: [ZION] Invading Canadian bacon

2002-10-04 Thread Jon Spencer
It's called manifest destiny. The main reason that we don't invade Canada is Quebec. I can think of 5 or 6 punch lines to this sentence, but I'll open this contest up to the entire list. What we really need on this list is a Saint from Quebec. Marc, can you recruit one? Jon Gary Smith

Re: [ZION] A Saint First, Then an American

2002-10-04 Thread John W. Redelfs
At 10:05 PM 10/3/02 -0400 Grampa Bill favored us with: Grampa Bill comments: I do. But in all candor, I must admit that I would be very uncomfortable if I heard a Muslim say, I am a Moslem first, and then an American. Islam is a false religion. Ours is true. It makes all the difference.

Re: [ZION] A Saint First, Then an American

2002-10-04 Thread Jon Spencer
That thar's the basis for strife. Or as UBL would say Christianity is a false religion. Ours is true. It makes all the difference. --UBL Jon John W. Redelfs wrote: At 10:05 PM 10/3/02 -0400 Grampa Bill favored us with: Grampa Bill comments: I do. But in all candor, I must admit that

[ZION] Brainette flow north?

2002-10-04 Thread Marc A. Schindler
] has risen by 86% over the past 3 years and the trend continues: http://www.globeandmail.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/front/RTGAM/20021004/wcanada1004/Front/homeBN/breakingnews And Clifford, you have my permission to forward this to my friends on LDS-Poll (anything that'll yank certain people's chains

Re: [ZION] Seasons Greetings from the Great White North (wargaming)

2002-10-04 Thread Scott McGee
On Fri, 04 Oct 2002 11:58:06 -0400, Elmer L. Fairbank [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Yes, we (the people of the US) would fight an enemy pretty ferociously if they attacked. (the movie the russians are coming comes to mind to give me a chuckle) but we can't see the how the enemy of all

Re: [ZION] Seasons Greetings from the Great White North (wargaming)

2002-10-04 Thread Elmer L. Fairbank
At 17:50 10/4/2002 +, Scott wrote: To answer your question, no, not all of us are worshiping the money god of Babylon. Thank you my friend. I knew that. Sometimes it seems it though. When are you going to fly to Syracuse? Till

[ZION] NMD: fact or fiction? WAS:[ Ways food storage could be activated]

2002-10-04 Thread Dan R Allen
Mark: If, however, you are making an oblique reference to the fall of nukes, well, what good would it do to ask for US assistance? The damage would already be done. And the US couldn't stop the missiles in any case. NMD will not work and will not be built. Dan: Actually, it

[ZION] Civil Disobedience

2002-10-04 Thread Rose Bowlen
What do you think about this article? http://www.sierratimes.com/02/10/04/sunni.htm Rose / /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html ///

Re: [ZION] A Saint First, Then an American

2002-10-04 Thread Marc A. Schindler
Right, but Bill was relating how he feels. We're not as comfortable with Moslems as we are with other Christians, even those Christians with whom we share little in common (in some cases, there are groups, like Ismailis, with whom we might have more in common than we would with other

[ZION] Royal visit

2002-10-04 Thread Marc A. Schindler
The Queen and Prince Phillip are here on a royal visit, but this one's rather unique. I thought there were a couple of interesting features you'd find interesting if you're a Canada follower. They're, well, different. 1. CBC has leased a VIA Rail train to more-or-less follow the royal tour. It's

Re: [ZION] New National Parks

2002-10-04 Thread Marc A. Schindler
And your first job would be to hire Till to sand and re-varnish every piece of wood in the Prince of Wales Hotel. (For those not from the area, that's the kind of job like painting big bridges, where you as soon as you're finished, it's time to start over again). Elmer L. Fairbank wrote: At

RE: [ZION] Wallpaper

2002-10-04 Thread Larry Jackson
Got it. Thanks. Wow! Sort of like right outside your front window? When you move south, I guess there will there be a vacancy there? Larry Jackson ___ John Redelfs I deleted it, but for you I will put it back. Check again. --JWR

Re: [ZION] To act or to be acted upon

2002-10-04 Thread Marc A. Schindler
Can't say as I disagree with anything you write. Perhaps the ambiguity of the word free is what has led to a decrease in popularity of the term free agency in favour of moral agency. Scott McGee wrote: On Thu, 03 Oct 2002 15:58:07 -0600, Marc A. Schindler [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: I agree

Re: Wargaming (was Re: [ZION] Ways food storage could be activated)

2002-10-04 Thread Marc A. Schindler
Scott McGee wrote: Mark, Sorry, I misread your post. You said a list of countries who could, and I read it as a list of countries who would like to. My apologies. I was repeatedly interupted yesterday while trying to read my mail (ok, I was trying to read my mail while working on

[ZION] Bermuda

2002-10-04 Thread Marc A. Schindler
Here's an interesting factoid for those interested in the international church. You can now watch General Conference if you're a member of the Bermuda Branch. I just got an email from a Canadian member of Barbadian origin now living in Bermuda. She told me the branch has arranged with Bermuda

Re: Wargaming (was Re: [ZION] Ways food storage could be activated)

2002-10-04 Thread Marc A. Schindler
Jon Spencer wrote: Actually, I think that there is a realistic way for Mexico to invade Canada, to see if Canada's entire 55,000 member armed forces could beat the Mexican army. Since the US already lets the Mexican army come onto Indian lands in Arizona to protect the drug smugglers, the

[ZION] New documentary on a war criminal?

2002-10-04 Thread Marc A. Schindler
The BBC has just released a new documentary on Henry Kissinger. It's a biography, do doesn't just concentrate on the question I infer in my subject line, but it does apparently interview some people in the U.S. (some of who might surprise you) who think that he's a war criminal (a somewhat

Re: [ZION] NMD: fact or fiction? WAS:[ Ways food storage couldbeactivated]

2002-10-04 Thread Marc A. Schindler
Dan R Allen wrote: Dan: Where on earth did you come up with that 'shock wave' bit? My word, not the article's. You don't need the missile to hit the incoming vehicle, you only need to create a shock wave sufficient to destroy/disable/deflect it, as the 3D hierarchy puts it. The EKV is

Re: [ZION] To act or to be acted upon

2002-10-04 Thread hkpage
I wonder if you have been asked to not use the term free agency because the word free might connote to some people that one can use their agency free of any consequences. Sure, we have free use of our agency but must accept that any decision has consequences, good or bad; we are not FREE of

Re: [ZION] A Saint First, Then an American

2002-10-04 Thread John W. Redelfs
At 01:00 PM 10/4/02 -0400 Jon Spencer favored us with: That thar's the basis for strife. Or as UBL would say Christianity is a false religion. Ours is true. It makes all the difference. --UBL Who is UBL? / /// ZION

Re: [ZION] A Saint First, Then an American

2002-10-04 Thread John W. Redelfs
At 01:40 PM 10/4/02 -0600 Marc A. Schindler favored us with: Right, but Bill was relating how he feels. We're not as comfortable with Moslems as we are with other Christians, even those Christians with whom we share little in common (in some cases, there are groups, like Ismailis, with whom we

Re: [ZION] To act or to be acted upon

2002-10-04 Thread John W. Redelfs
At 08:08 PM 10/4/02 -0400 Jon Spencer favored us with: In CES, we have been instructed to NOT use the phrase free agency, but rather use moral agency. What the reason is, I do not know. A lot of people abuse the term free agency to mean free from the natural consequences of sin. What the

Re: [ZION] To act or to be acted upon

2002-10-04 Thread Marc A. Schindler
I'm speculating that it's because, as I say, free is ambiguous. People could interpret free agency to mean that it doesn't matter what we do, that there are no moral consequences to our actions, that we're free to do our own thing as it were. Jon Spencer wrote: In CES, we have been instructed

Re: [ZION] A Saint First, Then an American

2002-10-04 Thread Paul Osborne
It is not a coincidence that nearly all foaming-at-mouth anti-Mormons are so-called Christians. It was primarily these other Christian denominations that the Lord had reference to when he told Joseph that their creeds were an abomination and all their professors corrupt. They will all be

Re: [ZION] New documentary on a war criminal?

2002-10-04 Thread Paul Osborne
There is no doubt in my mind that he is a war criminal. http://www.zpub.com/un/wanted-hkiss.html Paul O [EMAIL PROTECTED] GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno

RE: [ZION] Wallpaper

2002-10-04 Thread Rick Mathis
At 05:27 PM 10/4/2002 -0800, the BLT wrote: Yes, I stand in awe of what lies immediately out the windows of our home. It is just too beautiful to describe. I'll take some pictures, and when I get one that I'm proud of, I'll put it on the Internet too. After work this afternoon another guy

Re: [ZION] A Saint First, Then an American

2002-10-04 Thread Marc A. Schindler
John W. Redelfs wrote: I am just as comfortable with Moslems and Buddhists as I am with traditional Christians, perhaps more so. Moslems and Buddhists have a much better excuse for their ignorance. Traditional Christians are sinning against a much greater light when they reject the

Re: [ZION] To act or to be acted upon

2002-10-04 Thread Paul Osborne
In CES, we have been instructed to NOT use the phrase free agency, but rather use moral agency. What the reason is, I do not know. Sound like this is political correct stuff that I simply don't care for. Does this mean they are going to rewrite the records too? I certainly hope not. I'm

[ZION] Bruce R McConkie

2002-10-04 Thread Paul Osborne
Conference is coming!! But I shall not know any better then than I know now that he is God's Almighty Son, that he is our Savior and Redeemer, and that salvation comes in and through his atoning blood and in no other way. (Bruce R. McConkie) Paul O [EMAIL PROTECTED] [Non-text portions of this