Re: [ZION] Righting all the Wrongs

2002-10-15 Thread John W. Redelfs
After careful consideration, Gary Smith wrote: We currently have the strength to battle Saddam and keep him from becoming a nuclear power, or peddling that power to the nearest terrorist. Unless I miss my guess, he has already peddled plenty to the nearest terrorists. I'll bet there are

Re: [ZION] War with Saddam

2002-10-15 Thread John W. Redelfs
After careful consideration, Marc A. Schindler wrote: As Latter-day Saints, we need to continue to support individual members of the armed forces (of all the countries where we live) and their families. However, we should also make our voices heard loudly and clearly: war is madness, and we

Re: [ZION] Hindsight

2002-10-15 Thread Marc A. Schindler
And these are wars of expansion how, exactly? Utah taking over Colorado with the Lord's angels at the head of legions of BYU sophomores? Johnson's Army was a long time ago. We are not beset by the kind of situation that the Israelites were. Steven Montgomery wrote: While I agree with you

Re: [ZION] The Rulers of Darkness

2002-10-15 Thread Paul Osborne
Yes, that is exactly right. I think you (plural) are stupid enough to be fooled. That is exactly what I think. That is also what President Benson thought. He wasted his life in trying to mobilize the priesthood to overthrow the Gadianton Robbers in our government, and the members of the

RE: [ZION] La Reconquista

2002-10-15 Thread Stephen Beecroft
-Marc- But since you're the one who's here to police our logic, That's rather unkind. Untrue, as well. I never pursue discussions for argument's sake alone. Never. perhaps you could tell me when you picked up telepathy as a talent. A short book called _Telepathy through Reading_. I'm still

Re: [ZION] Hindsight

2002-10-15 Thread Mark Gregson
So I will ask yet again: why Iraq specifically and not Pakistan? Pakistan is a far greater threat. You have got to admire Marc for his tenacity. I vote for some kind of award for him for this constant call to examine just who needs to be pounded. John is beating the same drum with

Re: [ZION] The Rulers of Darkness

2002-10-15 Thread Paul Osborne
I'm sorry that I'm being offensive, but sometimes it just cannot be avoided. Ignorant people are getting us into a war that is not in the national interest. I beg to differ. It certainly appears that there are quite a few folks that are interested in seeing this war carried out. Even in

Re: [ZION] Hindsight

2002-10-15 Thread Mark Gregson
Till is tired. Does that mean he is not worthy of awards? 8)) Now don't start that again! Two more years, my friend. = Mark Gregson [EMAIL PROTECTED] = -- __ Download the FREE Opera browser at

Re: [ZION] Elder Nelson misquoted

2002-10-15 Thread Paul Osborne
I just wish I could know whether or not any of our beloved national leaders intentionally looked the other way while all this was coming down. I have to believe that any one of our national leaders would have given their own lives to prevent 911. (Clinton included). I don't believe the

Re: [ZION] Elder Nelson misquoted

2002-10-15 Thread Paul Osborne
We had PROOF that Clinton committed the felonies of perjury and obstruction of justice, but our Senate acquitted him anyway, making them just as guilty as he was. FWIW-- I too would have lied under oath if I had been hounded over my personal sex life. It's nobody's business. Good for Clinton

Re: [ZION] Elder Nelson misquoted

2002-10-15 Thread Paul Osborne
After careful consideration, Gary Smith wrote: As for your claim that Bush is a Gadianton, just where is your proof? Is proof needed? It is just common sense. The man in the street does not start wars. Men with wealth and power do. Who has the wealth and power today? It is Bush and

Re: [ZION] Elder Nelson misquoted

2002-10-15 Thread John W. Redelfs
After careful consideration, Paul Osborne wrote: FWIW-- I too would have lied under oath if I had been hounded over my personal sex life. It's nobody's business. Good for Clinton for lying and good for Abraham too. --- Comparing Clinton with Abraham is quite a stretch. --JWR

Re: [ZION] Elder Nelson misquoted

2002-10-15 Thread Paul Osborne
After careful consideration, Paul Osborne wrote: FWIW-- I too would have lied under oath if I had been hounded over my personal sex life. It's nobody's business. Good for Clinton for lying and good for Abraham too. --- Comparing Clinton with Abraham is quite a stretch. --JWR I wasn't

RE: [ZION] Hindsight

2002-10-15 Thread Larry Jackson
John Redelfs: After careful consideration, Larry Jackson wrote: I don't think we're after him because of September 11th. I think we're after him because our president believes he plans to obtain a nuclear weapon and use it against us. I haven't noticed any of those other countries planning to

Re: [ZION] Elder Nelson misquoted

2002-10-15 Thread Wayne and Sandra Riner
Paul I think when Clinton became President of the US that made everything he did my business. I also feel that being president he had the responsibility to be a good example to me my children and especially my grandchildren Sandra After careful consideration, Paul Osborne wrote: FWIW-- I too

Re: [ZION] The Rulers of Darkness

2002-10-15 Thread Jon Spencer
I'm sorry that I'm being offensive, but sometimes it just cannot be avoided. Ignorant people are getting us into a war that is not in the national interest. I ain't igerint! You stop tellin that right now! Jon /

[ZION] New scripture

2002-10-15 Thread Jon Spencer
My wife just received a letter from Church Distribution to our bookstore outlining the changes in their scripture lines. There are only two changes to the contents of the scriptures: 1. Doctrine and Covenants Section 139, the revelation on members being required to purchase a white minivan

[ZION] Gratitude

2002-10-15 Thread Mark Gregson
I had a good Thanksgiving Day yesterday. I feel very grateful for this land of freedom and plenty I enjoy. I am grateful for my family and all the experiences it brings; the joys, the education, the strivings, the prayers, the opportunities, the contentment. Elder Haight said in the

[ZION] Anyone else not getting Topica messages?

2002-10-15 Thread Geoff Fowler
Hi fellow Zionites, I have not been receiving any Topica messages from any of John Redelf's lists in my email. While I can go online and view them just fine, and I can also post to them via email, none of the posts are being mailed to me as I had specified in my settings on Topica. Anyone

Re: [ZION] New scripture

2002-10-15 Thread Jon Spencer
That's easy - repent! And buy a can of white spray paint. Jon OK, I can LIVE with AoF #14 (actually I DO live with it vbg), but doggoneit, I just bought a RED minivan in July!! NOW what? / /// ZION LIST CHARTER:

Re: [ZION] The Rulers of Darkness

2002-10-15 Thread Steven Montgomery
At 07:46 AM 10/15/2002, Paul wrote: Well, you know me--I'm NOT into conspiracy theories at all. Wasn't it so that Elder Benson was all alone in his campaign or which of the other apostles stood by his side and declared the same message? You know what I mean--two or three witnesses. Was his

Re: [ZION] Elder Nelson misquoted

2002-10-15 Thread Paul Osborne
Paul I think when Clinton became President of the US that made everything he did my business. I also feel that being president he had the responsibility to be a good example to me my children and especially my grandchildren Sandra I can't agree. What he did in the privacy of his bedroom or

Re: [ZION] The Rulers of Darkness

2002-10-15 Thread Paul Osborne
1. Secret Combinations • Oct. 1986: From the Book of Mormon we see the evils of secret combinations portrayed in graphic and chilling reality . . . . We should constantly ask ourselves, 'Why did the Lord inspire Mormon (or Moroni or Alma) to include that in his record? What lesson can I learn

Re: [ZION] The Rulers of Darkness

2002-10-15 Thread Paul Osborne
• April 1989: Secret combinations . . . are built up to get power, gain, and glory of the world. (See Hel. 7:5; Ether 8:9, 16, 22-23; Moses 5:31.) . . . Secret combinations brought down both the Jaredite and the Nephite civilizations and [have] been and will yet be the cause of the fall of

Re: [ZION] The Rulers of Darkness

2002-10-15 Thread Paul Osborne
Steve wrote: Below are six statements from President Ezra Taft Benson regarding a world- wide conspiracy that is increasing its evil influence and control over America and the entire world. These warnings have come to us from God through His living prophet. All six statements came after his

Re: [ZION] Righting all the Wrongs

2002-10-15 Thread Marc A. Schindler
Actually, I hacked into the Pentagon foreign policy computer and found that the US originally planed to invade Kyrgyzstan, but Donald Rumsfeld couldn't spell it, and George Bush kept calling it kergystan so they gave up and picked Iraq. Easier to pronounce and somewhat easier to spell. Dan Quayle

Re: [ZION] The Rulers of Darkness

2002-10-15 Thread Paul Osborne
destruction of the people, but notice how he singled out the secret combinations, just as the Church today could point out many threats to peace, prosperity, and the spread of God's work, but it has singled out as the greatest threat the Godless conspiracy. There is no conspiracy theory in

Re: [ZION] Invading Canada

2002-10-15 Thread Marc A. Schindler
Elmer L. Fairbank wrote: At 22:04 10/14/2002 -0800, BLT wrote: But the last time we tried to invade what is now Canada we got waxed. --JWR Yeah, by about 500 French militia-men**. I believe it was at Chateaugay, in November of 1812. Till ** all wearing touqes, too. I saw it in the

Re: [ZION] The Rulers of Darkness

2002-10-15 Thread Wayne and Sandra Riner
Paul are you a human being or a mule?? just kidding don`t get offended{: Sandra - Original Message - From: Paul Osborne [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2002 8:20 PM Subject: Re: [ZION] The Rulers of Darkness Steve wrote: Below are six statements

Re: [ZION] The Rulers of Darkness

2002-10-15 Thread Steven Montgomery
At 06:29 PM 10/15/2002, you wrote: • April 1989: Secret combinations . . . are built up to get power, gain, and glory of the world. (See Hel. 7:5; Ether 8:9, 16, 22-23; Moses 5:31.) . . . Secret combinations brought down both the Jaredite and the Nephite civilizations and [have] been and

Re: [ZION] The Rulers of Darkness

2002-10-15 Thread Steven Montgomery
At 06:32 PM 10/15/2002, you wrote: • Jan. 1988: The situation in the world will continue to degenerate unless we read and heed the words of God and quit building up and upholding secret combinations, which the Book of Mormon tells us proved the downfall of ancient civilizations. (The Book of

Re: [ZION] The Rulers of Darkness

2002-10-15 Thread Steven Montgomery
At 06:36 PM 10/15/2002, you wrote: Oct. 1988: Wickedness is rapidly expanding in every segment of our society. (See DC 1:14- 16; 84:49-53.) It is more highly organized, more cleverly disguised, and more powerfully promoted than ever before. Secret combinations lusting for power, gain, and

Re: [ZION] The Rulers of Darkness

2002-10-15 Thread Steven Montgomery
At 06:53 PM 10/15/2002, you wrote: destruction of the people, but notice how he singled out the secret combinations, just as the Church today could point out many threats to peace, prosperity, and the spread of God's work, but it has singled out as the greatest threat the Godless

Re: [ZION] The Rulers of Darkness

2002-10-15 Thread Marc A. Schindler
Heck, Pres. Hinckley has even shaken hands with gasp Kofi Anan! Paul Osborne wrote: • Jan. 1988: The situation in the world will continue to degenerate unless we read and heed the words of God and quit building up and upholding secret combinations, which the Book of Mormon tells us proved