At 12:01 AM, Tuesday, 10/22/02, Marc A. Schindler wrote:
Actually I had posted this because some people had voiced doubts about whether
you could be a good member and a Democrat. This idea is often attributed to a
well-known GA.
A person can be a Democrat and a good Mormon, or he can be a
MStar, the service I use, hasn't been bouncing anything as far as we can
tell. It's even allowed some messages which one would think MStar's
filter would stop. (So-called adult messages. Why is it that
mature and adult now mean anything but mature or adult?)
But I FINALLY, FINALLY, FINALLY
Till writes:
What??? I thought that was just the special
grip that we use to keep each other from falling
out of chairs when we fell asleep.
___
Oh, Till. It serves a far more important purpose than that.
As you shake right hands, place two fingers of the
left hand just
At 12:03 AM 10/22/2002, Marc wrote:
What difference does that make to the point I've been trying to make that
it was
US meddling that paved the way to his [Castro's] rise to power?
We have no argument here. I agree. Although probably for different reasons.
--
Steven Montgomery
[EMAIL
On Sun, 20 Oct 2002 00:54:26 -0600, Marc A. Schindler
[EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
No one has asked anybody to forgive terrorists. They deserve to be
brought to justice
Perhaps I am wrong, but my understanding is that we _DO_ have to forgive
the terrorists. That doesn't, however, mean that they
At 08:48 10/22/2002 -0400, Patient noJ wrote:
Till - every time we went over this handshake I tried to wake you up, but to
no avail. I would have had your home teacher go over it with you, but we
can only teach it in the HP group meeting.
They sure were cool dreams, too. Something to do with
On Mon, 21 Oct 2002 18:54:03 -0600 Marc A. Schindler
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Okay, this is all very interesting and very useful (and I mean that
sincerely),
so let me ask another question: what about those of us who are
unlikely, for one
reason or another (assuming, of course, that we're
At 12:08 10/22/2002 -0600, M Marc wrote:
My spouse is a Vulcan, and she's giving me the death grip.
Till was Vulcanized once. To keep his brains from leaking
out. Unfortunately, it was too little, too late
Till who's too tired to go round and round on this, so just wheel me
on
I owe you a bit of an apology, I think. I went to the link this time -- I have to
admit I was not aware there was a theory that the plane didn't actually crash. I
merely assumed you were repeating a story I've heard often, that the plane was
deliberately targeted because McDonald was on board
A person can be a Democrat and a good Mormon, or he can be a Mormon and
a
good Democrat; but he cannot be both a good Democrat and a good Mormon.
--JWR
I can see that John has slammed the Democrat Mormons with his little
jingle. So, if a Democrat can be a good Mormon but a good Democrat cannot
I agree. The term forgive can be ambiguous; in the moral sense we are to
forgive everyone, but the term is often used in a secular sense of not bringing
them to justice, as in dismissing their crime. And I wanted to make it clear that
that wasn't what I believed.
Scott McGee wrote:
On Sun, 20
Trouble is, where is the General Authority
who disagrees with ETB regarding this particular issue, that of Fidel
Castro being a communist? I haven't been able to find one. Perhaps there
is
a general consensus then?
O come on Steven, get real. We don't even know which of the Presidential
with them for his own purposes). Women have a more open role
in Iraq than in many other countries in the region:
http://www.globeandmail.com/servlet/ArticleNews/PEstory/TGAM/20021022/UWOMEN/International/international/international_temp/1/1/29/
--
Marc A. Schindler
Spruce Grove, Alberta, Canada -- Gateway
Mark Gregson:
You mean to say that you cannot vote in the US unless you register
your preference? Is that true? And if it is, what's the point
of it? Since your vote is secret, why register a preference?
___
I do not recall living in a state where you had to declare a party
Interesting article from today's SL Trib:
http://www.sltrib.com/10222002/utah/9448.htm
--
Marc A. Schindler
Spruce Grove, Alberta, Canada -- Gateway to the Boreal Parkland
We do not think that there is an incompatibility between words and
deeds; the worst thing is to rush into action before
Thank you.
Steven Montgomery wrote:
At 12:03 AM 10/22/2002, Marc wrote:
What difference does that make to the point I've been trying to make that
it was
US meddling that paved the way to his [Castro's] rise to power?
We have no argument here. I agree. Although probably for different
-Gary-
The only person among Elders with keys is the Elders Quorum president.
In other words, the only elder with keys is the presiding elder. Well,
of course. And the only high priest with keys is the presiding high
priest.
Yet, his keys are limited.
As are the bishop's or stake
-Marc-
In the U.S. every voter registers for a party (or as an
independent -- as I recall the rules vary considerably from
This is not correct.
-Mark-
What? You mean to say that you cannot vote in the US unless
you register your preference? Is that true?
No, it is not true. Many states do
I think I see your point, even past the tongue in your cheek, and hadn't thought
about that. The Lord needs a pool to draw from, and the HP are that pool, so
whether any given HP is or is not eventually called to what I keep calling a
posiiton of line authority (to use a secular term) is
Although I don't agree with John's terminology and system of reference in this
regard, logically speaking I don't see why he'd have to take back his
accusations. It's still a civic duty to vote -- that's clear LDS doctrine as far
as I know (okay, I'm extrapolating from the 12th AoF, but the point
Stephen Beecroft wrote:
-Marc-
I think it's time I correct an impression that I somehow have
an anti-US bias. [...] I am by nature a bit of a contrarian [...]
the US is the superpower de jour. A century ago I would have
been anti-English so to speak.
Let's see if I understand what
Stephen Beecroft wrote:
-Marc-
In the U.S. every voter registers for a party (or as an
independent -- as I recall the rules vary considerably from
This is not correct.
Please don't interrupt. If you read the whole post, I made clear that this was to
vote in party conventions -- what you
-- Larry Jackson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Mark Gregson:
You mean to say that you cannot vote in the US unless you register
your preference? Is that true? And if it is, what's the point
of it? Since your vote is secret, why register a preference?
___
I do not recall
-Stephen-
Let's see if I understand what you wrote. Here is what I heard:
I am not anti-US. Rather, I am anti-Big-Kahoona, and the US is
the Big Kahoona right now.
Please confirm if I have actual reason to laugh, or if I've somehow
misunderstood you.
-Marc-
I think my original post was
-Marc-
In the U.S. every voter registers for a party (or as an
independent -- as I recall the rules vary considerably from
-Stephen-
This is not correct.
-Marc-
Please don't interrupt.
Oops. My bad. I had thought this was John Redelfs' discussion list, not
Marc Schindler's lecture hall.
Exactly. I was referring to state party conventions, what you call in US English,
primaries.
Stephen Beecroft wrote:
-Marc-
In the U.S. every voter registers for a party (or as an
independent -- as I recall the rules vary considerably from
-Stephen-
This is not correct.
-Marc-
Stephen Beecroft wrote:
-Val-
And, for the record John ;-) I am a good Mormon Democrat (put
the modifer where you will).
Then I'm willing to bet you're not a liberal Democrat. Because of that,
many other Democrats would certainly not consider you to be good. But
I agree with you; it's
At 12:25 PM 10/22/2002, Marc wrote regarding the website www.rescue007.org:
AFAI am concerned, the site's purpose is to sell a book. But when I get to the
other side I'll look for any KAL 007 vets. Who knows.
I don't think the site sell's enough books to pay for itself. The reason
Bert
At 11:58 PM 10/21/2002, Marc wrote:
Straw man, Steven. I have never tried to argue that Castro is not
Communist, is not
a dictator. We are talking right past each other. I'm admitting all the
bad things
you are saying about him, but saying that the US had a large -- indeed,
the major
-- part
-Val-
I am a good Mormon Democrat
-Stephen-
Then I'm willing to bet you're not a liberal Democrat.
-Marc-
Please don't define *our* language for us.
Marc, I am talking to a fellow American here, not to an Aussie or a
Brit. If your understanding of American politics too sparse to acquaint
-Marc-
Exactly. I was referring to state party conventions, what you
call in US English, primaries.
Interesting. So, then, what did you intend to say when you wrote:
So to say that my late father was a Democrat means that he
was registered as a Democrat. As it happens, this is pretty
Steven Montgomery wrote:
Then what are we arguing about?
Who's on first, I guess :-)
--
Marc A. Schindler
Spruce Grove, Alberta, Canada -- Gateway to the Boreal Parkland
We do not think that there is an incompatibility between words and deeds; the
worst thing is to rush into action before
Stephen Beecroft wrote:
-Marc-
Exactly. I was referring to state party conventions, what you
call in US English, primaries.
Interesting. So, then, what did you intend to say when you wrote:
So to say that my late father was a Democrat means that he
was registered as a
Gary said:
There isn't anymore salvation promised to a high priest as to
an elder (as the MP is all that is required in this life),
Yep.
but
eventually (presumably if not now, in the next life) one will
have to be a high priest to preside over a presidency in heaven.
I don't think so Gary
Please don't define *our* language for us. You can demonize the word all
you
want, but please keep your etymological waste products to yourself.
Liberal is
still a perfectly fine word in the majority of the English-speaking
world.
I agree. The Republicans are trying to kill a perfectly good word
It was merely a rhetorical question.
Oh. I'm a little dumb.
;-)
Paul O
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OK. I was just wondering -- I won't argue the point.
Paul Osborne wrote:
Marc:
Now this is an interesting thought. Do you really think this follows?
(that the
prophet's personal vote should, if it were known, be the example for the
rest of
us?) And how do you handle the fact that in any
Stephen, I don't want the last word in that sense, and I certainly don't want
to leave a bitter feeling in anyone's mind. I think our problem is that we're
talking past each other. It happens often -- it's human nature. Human language is
ambiguous by nature -- it's not like a programming language.
Stephen, for some reason I didn't get your post so I am replying to Marc's and yours.
I take my civic responsibilities seriously and decided some years ago, to join a
political party. My judgement was, the better party as far as my own beliefs and
interests go was the ALP. I felt corruption
Clifford M Dubery wrote:
Stephen, for some reason I didn't get your post so I am replying to Marc's and yours.
I take my civic responsibilities seriously and decided some years ago, to join a
political party. My judgement was, the better party as far as my own beliefs and
interests go was
Don't feel bad, Stephen. You aren't the only antagonist on this list
We have many that love antagonizing others. Perhaps we could use a
different term though. Antagonize seems so negative, and there is just
too much negativity these days. Let's try a nicer, more positive word,
like, Taunt.
Marc, it amazes me how deep you are on so many things, but then you go
and say something that really shows you didn't fully think it through.
An action by a person really doesn't mean much if it doesn't turn out as
it should. Yes, Carter went to N Korea and supposedly defused the
situation in
There is a news story out that a private collector has shown an ossuary
(stone box that holds the bones of a dead person), with the Aramaic
inscription: James, son of Joseph and brother of Jesus. This dates to
about 70 AD, about the time that James the founder of the Christian
Church in
At 01:44 PM, Tuesday, 10/22/02, Paul Osborne wrote:
O come on Steven, get real. We don't even know which of the Presidential
candidates the GA's voted for let alone which parties they think the
world leaders are in.
So how come we know where President Benson stood on these issues? --JWR
At 09:09 PM, Tuesday, 10/22/02, Stephen Beecroft wrote:
But in my judgment, you can't be a liberal Democrat, supporting the
liberal Democrat party line, and still be a faithful, believing Latter-day
Saint. Much as some, American and otherwise, might find that hard to
understand, I think it's
At 08:43 PM, Tuesday, 10/22/02, Val wrote:
And, for the record John ;-) I am a good Mormon Democrat (put the
modifer where you will). The Republicans in my area are corrupt money
grubbers. They could care less about me or any other John Q. Public
type--just see who can line their pockets
Now, now, Marc. Giving you the last word doesn't mean giving you license
to misquote and make stuff up. To wit:
You used the phrase [here] and elsewhere. It was the
elsewhere that I was taking objection to.
This is untrue. I did not use the phrase and elsewhere, as you
yourself go on to
Sorry, you're right -- you wrote otherwise. But I don't see that it makes any
difference to my ultimate point. In any case, I've admitted that I should have
asked you what you meant before I responded, so you still have a point.
Stephen Beecroft wrote:
Now, now, Marc. Giving you the last word
It is partially an issue of maturity/age: placing those who have not had
a line authority position requiring HP status, into the HP quorum/group,
in order to strengthen the individual and also to strengthen the quorum.
This happens depending upon the make up of the quorums/groups in a
So, you are judging a small patch of Europe because you couldn't find an
open restaurant? Have you tried doing that in Canada? I once had to cross
three provinces in Canada to find an open restaurant! At least
Liechtenstein has the presence of mind of being only 10 minutes from a
good restaurant!
Hopefully Marc and Stephen can remember to be Christians first, and right
second.
As for being dizzy. Maybe you need to not follow either. Perhaps they are
both wrong, or both right. There isn't always a black and white answer.
They are both giving good reasonings, however issues can go deeper
Then you would logically follow from your argument that one wouldn't have
to be ordained a god, king and high priest?
That's not what I read in the scriptures. I read in Rev 1:6 and other
references that we must be made kings and high priests unto God the
Father.
K'aya K'ama,
Gerald/gary Smith
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