Ok, question time. If a person is excomunicated due to them having taught
false doctrine, is a statement from them renouncing the false doctrine
required for their repentance? It would seem like it should be. If so,
the fact that no such announcement was made regarding the views of a
given person
Scott McGee wrote:
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Ok, question time. If a person is excomunicated due to them having
taught false doctrine, is a statement from them renouncing the false
doctrine required for their repentance?
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If there is such a policy, I have not heard of it.
In my experience, the specific
Atonement for sin is no longer made by the high priest in Israel when he
passes through the veil of the temple into the holy of holies. (Lev.
16.) See Heb. 6:19-20. Now there is a new way, a living way, for the
veil of the old temple was rent with the crucifixion. (Matt. 27:50-51.)
Now Jesus
One of the most significant meanings of the veil is the representation
of our separation from God. He has counseled us to prepare for the
eventual removal of that veil...
22 Behold, it is my will, that all they who call on my name, and
worship me according to mine everlasting gospel,
FYI,
This Friday I officially retire from the USAF, and I'm in the middle of
closing on the sale of my house (they are getting a terrific deal).
Anyway, just to let y'all know, Ramona and I are planning on moving to
Utah (initially the SLC area) in early January. That's where my family
resides.
Ok, question time. If a person is excomunicated due to them having
taught
false doctrine
No one in this church can be excommunicated for simply teaching false
doctrine.
Paul O
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In fact it would seem that the opposite approach is
generally followed--excommunicated members are usually discouraged from
publically discussing their problems or mistakes
My last Stake President was excommunicated. Shortly after his
excommunication he being accompanied by the new Stake
All of this and I have a sparkling personality. Controversial? No, not
me, not in the least! Just ask everyone on this list that I agree with
everything they believe in. JWR's conspiracies? Definitely! Marc's
liberal views? Of course I agree with them. It's election time and I'm
ready to promise
so I'll
considered most anything legal and moral.
Sorry but those positions no longer exist!
;-)
Paul O
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At 11:31 AM, Monday, 10/28/02, Gary Smith wrote:
I grant you your opinion on the CFR and those who belong to it, however I
won't let you get by with equating a belief in the gospel with your
belief in a secret combination. There is evidence for believing the
gospel, such as the Holy Ghost. There
Paul Osborne wrote:
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No one in this church can be excommunicated for simply teaching false
doctrine.
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Fortunate for me--I get it wrong nearly every time, and I wouldn't have
lasted long in this church otherwise. Tolerance is the virtual safety
belt that lets us live with each other in
Hello,
Does anyone know of an accurate study Bible in the original Hebrew and
Greek? I would like to learn more about those biblical languages and I
figure that this is the way to do it. However, I am unsure of which
Bible to purchase. There are different interlinear ones, but what I am
looking
At 12:30 PM, Tuesday, 10/29/02, Paul Osborne wrote:
No one in this church can be excommunicated for simply teaching false
doctrine.
He can if he tries to convince others that it is Church doctrine. Also, if
he is teaching false doctrine, his priesthood leaders will ask him to
stop. And if
At 08:43 PM, Monday, 10/28/02, Stephen Beecroft wrote:
5. Moses 7:26 mentions Satan veiling the earth with his chain,
symbolizing (I believe) the captivity of sin and the blindness Satan
causes in the hearts of men. Isaiah 25:7 also uses this symbolism.
Just some musings during the gospel
It depends on what's meant by teaching. If you are GD teacher and you let slip
a whopper in all innocence, no one's going to care, although you may be
corrected. But if you start doing it purposely, knowing it's against the core
doctrine of the Church (like, say, we should all go back to
I actually sympathize with John in this. He knows I don't agree with him, either,
but we've simply agreed to disagree and both agree that it's not really core
doctrine. As my old Institute prof, Dr. Larry Dahl (who later became Dean of
Religious Education at BYU) was fond of saying in his classes,
It depends on what's meant by teaching. If you are GD teacher and you
let slip
a whopper in all innocence, no one's going to care, although you may be
corrected. But if you start doing it purposely, knowing it's against the
core
doctrine of the Church (like, say, we should all go back to
Are there people here who defend apostate sects? Or is this a high council talk
;-)
Reminds me of a true story (do I tell any other kind?). Once, in the 80s, when
the Cold War was at its, er, hottest, I gave a talk in my ward in Ottawa. People
knew I travelled a lot, and was only at sacrament
It has occurred to me that when we are dealing with
other adults, we cannot know who they were in the premortal existence,
and
they cannot know who we truly are. I have heard it said that if we
could
only pierce that veil we would hold each other in much higher regard.
I agree. I believe
I agree. You're an excellent reader and thanks for pointing out the
difference.
Paul O
On Tue, 29 Oct 2002 13:40:33 -0900 John W. Redelfs
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At 12:30 PM, Tuesday, 10/29/02, Paul Osborne wrote:
No one in this church can be excommunicated for simply teaching
false
A good book you might consider is Nibley's book on the temple. It's vol. 12,
Temple and Cosmos. It explains a lot of symbolism using ancient temples as
examples. A good non-LDS book was written by a man who recently passed away and
is better known as a critic of the so-called mystic school of
-Marc-
Are there people here who defend apostate sects? Or is this a
high council talk ;-)
Actually, I agree with John in this. It's one thing to say that
some/many/most/all religions contain truths. It's quite another to say
that God directed that they be established as a sort of halfway
-Jim-
One of the most significant meanings of the veil is the
representation of our separation from God.
Jim, it's great to hear you again (speaking symbolically :).
In fact, I would say that the representation of our separation from God
is the *primary* meaning of the veil, in all cases I've
The standard editions used by most scholars are:
Hebrew: Biblia Hebraica, from the Deutsche Bibelstiftung (also known as the
Württembergische Bibel Gesellschaft) in Stuttgart, Germany. It should be
available in any Christian bookstore (or here in Canada, from stores of the
Canadian Bible
Perhaps I should have explained, the Biblia Sacra that I picked up was the
Louvain Rescension - 1590. The font is, on a good day, smaller than 6 point
and not user friendly. So much for my feeble Latin voyage into the
antiquities...
Noel
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For those interested in CBW, here's a speculation as to the gas
(actually combination of gases) probably used by the Russian Alpha unit*
to disarm the Chechen hostage takers in the Moscow theatre:
On Tue, 29 Oct 2002 20:31:22 + Jim Cobabe [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:
Paul Osborne wrote:
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No one in this church can be excommunicated for simply teaching
false
doctrine.
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Fortunate for me--I get it wrong nearly every time, and I wouldn't
have
lasted long in this church
That's true -- the font size is small. Mine is the same, and it's my one
complaint -- with my middle-aged eyes I need a magnifying glass.
Noel Bennion wrote:
Perhaps I should have explained, the Biblia Sacra that I picked up was the
Louvain Rescension - 1590. The font is, on a good day,
On Tue, 29 Oct 2002 11:26:43 -0900 John W. Redelfs
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I have heard it said that if we could
only pierce that veil we would hold each other in much higher
regard.
John W. Redelfs [EMAIL PROTECTED]
At 05:15 PM, Tuesday, 10/29/02, Valerie Nielsen Williams wrote:
Truman Madsen gave a FARMS talk, The Temple and the Atonement, in which
he paraphrases Brigham Young, who said that he had two sisters approach
him once about a divorce. His reply was that if they could see their
husbands as they
John W. Redelfs wrote:
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In other word I'm still in love with the movie, Princess Bride. Farm
Boy and Buttercup had it right.
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Let me not to the marriage of true minds
Admit impediments, love is not love
Which alters when it alteration finds,
Or bends with the remover to remove.
O no, it
I wonder if you're talking about Tim. No need to answer that.
Valerie Nielsen Williams wrote:
On Tue, 29 Oct 2002 20:31:22 + Jim Cobabe [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:
Paul Osborne wrote:
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No one in this church can be excommunicated for simply teaching
false
doctrine.
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Okay, some people are train spotters. I'm an aurora spotter. We've had
aurorae for some time now. My wife woke me up at 04:00 one morning to
see a very unusual display. It was a greenish white swoosh across the
entire sky, with the moon right in the middle. Very neat. I've uploaded
a very nice
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