RE: [ZION] Life Everlasting Duane S. Crowther

2002-11-03 Thread Jim Cobabe
CrowtherÂ’s Life Everlasting is a genuine delight to me. Thanks for raising it to my attention. I thought it was a wonderful book when I first read it, more than thirty years ago. On reexamination, I find it to be even more relevant and edifying than the first view. I have in the interim

Re: [ZION] Guns, Germs and Steel

2002-11-03 Thread Marc A. Schindler
John W. Redelfs wrote: At 12:37 PM, Saturday, 11/2/02, Marc A. Schindler wrote: I don't believe it is merely a (secular) history book -- I think it's more profound than that. If it's truly a secular history of God's dealings [with] man since the first man down to the time of Moses why a)

Re: [ZION] Guns, Germs and Steel

2002-11-03 Thread Marc A. Schindler
John W. Redelfs wrote: At 12:42 PM, Saturday, 11/2/02, Marc A. Schindler wrote: The 1P don't say. It doesn't appear to be a concern for them. That could be why all the sciences are represented in the curriculum at BYU (in fact, BYU's evolutionary biologists are leading cladists, a

Re: [ZION] Full Text Library Access

2002-11-03 Thread Marc A. Schindler
I know I'm being I-told-you-so-ish again, (not to John, just in general) but some years ago, when I wrote a review for Sunstone of LauraMaery Gold's first Mormons on the Internet version I said that these freebie sites were not going to survive without a proper business model, and that meant

Re: [ZION] Life Everlasting Duane S. Crowther

2002-11-03 Thread Marc A. Schindler
Just be careful: a lot of what Crowther wrote was personal speculation on his part. Valerie Nielsen Williams wrote: Hey Zion: Just wanting to know if anyone has read Life Everlasting by Crowther, and if so, what do you think. It was recommended to me by a friend who knows that since

Re: [ZION] Guns, Germs and Steel

2002-11-03 Thread Marc A. Schindler
Yes, even the army's cleaned itself up ;-) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Larry Jackson: Scientific wild- _ _ _ guess. There are other meanings, as well, but that's the primary one in most common use. Paul Osborne: Ha ha ha ah. I didn't think you had in you Larry. ___ Well,

RE: [ZION] Life Everlasting Duane S. Crowther

2002-11-03 Thread Jim Cobabe
Marc A. Schindler wrote: --- Just be careful: a lot of what Crowther wrote was personal speculation on his part. --- Shouldn't be much of a problem, because more than half the text consists of direct quotations--from personal journals and letters of those who experienced or spoke of death

Re: [ZION] scriptures are not secular?

2002-11-03 Thread Paul Osborne
That's exactly what I wrote: I *don't* believe the scriptures are secular histories. If this was so, the apostles and prophets from Joseph Smith on would have told us so. everything I have ever heard from modern prophets teaches that the old history of the world is true and historical unless you

RE: [ZION] scriptures are not secular?

2002-11-03 Thread Jim Cobabe
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Re: [ZION] Guns, Germs and Steel

2002-11-03 Thread John W. Redelfs
After much pondering, Marc A. Schindler favored us with: Part of the reason I turned away from science to religion is because I despaired of learning anything with any certainty when the foremost authorities in almost every field disagree with fellow scientists about really basic things. I

Re: [ZION] scriptures are not secular?

2002-11-03 Thread Paul Osborne
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Re: [ZION] Guns, Germs and Steel

2002-11-03 Thread Paul Osborne
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Re: [ZION] scriptures are not secular?

2002-11-03 Thread Paul Osborne
Also, maybe our whole religious experience is self induced with naturally occurring chemicals in our brains that make us wishy washy? Maybe the whole thing is a joke? Maybe we don't even really exist. Would someone pinch me please? I know I exist, but maybe you're a figment of my imagination .

Re: [ZION] Guns, Germs and Steel

2002-11-03 Thread Marc A. Schindler
How about just thinking of things as tools? Science isn't in opposition to religion except in the hands of ignorant atheists, as far as I'm concerned (and there are plenty of them, to be sure). It's just a tool, a certain disciplined way of looking at things, that's all. The confusion arises when

[ZION] Earthquake

2002-11-03 Thread Noel Bennion
John, Any earthshaking news from the northland? How bad was the earthquake where you are at? Noel / /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html ///