That's why I included opportunities as part of the list. You have to make due
with limitations placed on your talents, and lack of opportunity is the flip side
of opportunity. Why do we have proportionately fewer serious music composers today
than in the 18th and early 19th century, for example?
I was trying to make points that not everyone appreciates the talents we
may already have.
Stacy.
At 01:04 AM 11/07/2002 -0700, you wrote:
That's why I included opportunities as part of the list. You have to
make due
with limitations placed on your talents, and lack of opportunity is the
Jon Spencer wrote:
We didn't want to upset the UN, now, did we?
Actually, we did have an agreement with Iraq to implement full inspections,
and he did agree to get rid of all of the Iraqi WoMM, although I can't tell
you why we believed him. But certainly, we can't now.
We are now more
We are surely the laughingstock of the world and also many Americans,
including me.
Stacy.
At 01:13 AM 11/07/2002 -0700, you wrote:
Jon Spencer wrote:
We didn't want to upset the UN, now, did we?
Actually, we did have an agreement with Iraq to implement full inspections,
and he did
Another thing to contemplate if the higher critics haven't gotten around to
this one, let me be the first higher critic of one of them to show how
preposterous some of the tales can be and yet I ought to have my head
examined for believing it because I have believed these individuals to be
I thought all would like to see this report I have been getting since
around 9/11.
Stacy.
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At 21:54 11/6/2002 -0600, Gryy wrote:
Though your text book told you about biology, you still cut into that
frog in class. Why? To prove the statements in the book that a frog does
have heart, lungs, etc.
Each time you turn on a light switch, you do it with faith, because you
have previously
NOW we're in the spirit of things! :-)
Noj
Stacy Smith wrote:
Maybe not so rhetorical as really sarcastic.
Stacy.
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OK, I'll bite. What should we do? And why do you think we are moving on
(could you define that please?)?
Jon
Stacy Smith wrote:
My point still holds even if they are no longer in Afghanistan. Why are we
moving on?
Stacy.
Ahem, it is embarrassing when you dissimulate. We bought oil through the
oil for food program, wherein the money is carefully tracked. And you are
not so stupid as to not know that I am talking about the other type of
transactions that these countries agreed not to do. Or am I incorrect in
that
Then there is ample justification in doing what we do! After all, bringing
happiness to the world is an important role.
Jon
Stacy Smith said with great mirth:
We are surely the laughingstock of the world and also many Americans,
including me.
Stacy.
The Lord knows what He is doing. Your daughter has now acquired all of the
immunities she needs to perform an excellent job, just like her Dad would
do.
Thank her for her willingness to serve!
Jon
Till wrote:
My daughter got her mission call yesterday, to Sao Paulo. She was
basking
in the
I didn't mean LDS; I meant us as a larger part of Americans.
Stacy.
At 07:43 AM 11/07/2002 -0500, you wrote:
Then there is ample justification in doing what we do! After all, bringing
happiness to the world is an important role.
Jon
Stacy Smith said with great mirth:
We are surely the
P.S.: I meant that remark rather scornfully.
Stacy.
At 07:43 AM 11/07/2002 -0500, you wrote:
Then there is ample justification in doing what we do! After all, bringing
happiness to the world is an important role.
Jon
Stacy Smith said with great mirth:
We are surely the laughingstock of
We are moving to other targets as if we have the Taliban licked. We don't.
Stacy.
At 07:30 AM 11/07/2002 -0500, you wrote:
OK, I'll bite. What should we do? And why do you think we are moving on
(could you define that please?)?
Jon
Stacy Smith wrote:
My point still holds even if they are
Of course! I understood you completely. My statement still stands. What a
narrow view of the charter of our church to think that we only desire to
bring happiness to the select few! :-)
Jon
Stacy Smith wrote:
I didn't mean LDS; I meant us as a larger part of Americans.
Stacy.
At 07:43
And as we are taught by the Lord, I am turning that scorn into a blessing to
the world!
Jon
Stacy Smith wrote:
P.S.: I meant that remark rather scornfully.
Stacy.
At 07:43 AM 11/07/2002 -0500, you wrote:
Then there is ample justification in doing what we do! After all,
bringing
You must be much more clear than you have been. Again, I ask, what do you
mean by moving on. I can make lots of guesses, but you should know best
what you mean. As an example of your lack of clarity, do you mean that we
are turning our backs to the Taliban and assuming that they no longer pose
After much pondering, Marc A. Schindler favored us with:
John,
The difference is that we have many GAs who have told us that portions of
the Bible ARE symbolic. That leaves the Bible's historicity at least
partially in question. Meanwhile, they have all told us that the BoM is
literal.
After much pondering, Stacy Smith favored us with:
Of course, no one here on this list, including myself, can tell you what
will be the short and long term outcome of acting or not acting. I believe
that he is a continuing threat to our way of life, along with quite a few
other gangsters.
After much pondering, Stacy Smith favored us with:
We are surely the laughingstock of the world and also many Americans,
including me.
It is hard to imagine who our dignity could be any further ravaged than it
already is, thanks to Bill Clinton and Monica Lewinsky.
John W. Redelfs
I appreciate your experience. Just don't think it's such a black and white issue.
We've been told in a number of places in the scriptures that we don't know
everything yet, and may have to exercise patience. In the meantime, we are free
to compare speculations, so long as we do not harm the faith
Which mission in Sao Paulo, do you know?
(for a map of the missions in Brazil, see:
http://www.gatheringofisrael.com/atlas/latin_america/brazil/mbrazil.gif)
To put things in perspective, there are 7 missions in Sao Paulo Estado alone, and
only 8 in all of Canada.
Elmer L. Fairbank wrote:
My
I am implying that we have only left the job half done if we leave the
Taliban any room to start over again and form another government anywhere.
Stacy.
At 09:42 AM 11/07/2002 -0500, you wrote:
You must be much more clear than you have been. Again, I ask, what do you
mean by moving on. I can
I wouldn't say laughingstock, but when you're an elephant in a world of mice, the
mice get nervous, even when the elephant is kindly disposed towards them.
There's an article in the latest Atlantic Monthly that is kind of related to this.
I don't go as far as the author does in his theme, which
Sounds like a worthwhile newsletter. I'll have to look into it. I get Jane's Defence
and Jane's
Security weekly briefings (the shortened, abstracts for non-subscribers -- I can't
afford the £600 or
so annually that a full subscription costs).
Stacy Smith wrote:
I thought all would like to see
Come-on line in Biology 20: Hi! My name's Marc. I'll pith your frog for you.
Worked with all the girls.
Elmer L. Fairbank wrote:
At 21:54 11/6/2002 -0600, Gryy wrote:
Though your text book told you about biology, you still cut into that
frog in class. Why? To prove the statements in the
At 08:24 11/7/2002 -0700, you wrote:
Which mission in Sao Paulo, do you know?
(for a map of the missions in Brazil, see:
http://www.gatheringofisrael.com/atlas/latin_america/brazil/mbrazil.gif)
To put things in perspective, there are 7 missions in Sao Paulo Estado
alone, and
only 8 in all of
Brother Fairbank, what happy news. Congratulations!
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Stacy:
The thing that gets me is this: If we're all of a sudden so concerned
about Saddam's nuclear and biological weapons abilities, why weren't we as
concerned in 1992?
Dan:
Clinton
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In which case, the maps that would, roughly speaking, cover that mission are:
http://www.gatheringofisrael.com/atlas/latin_america/brazil/SP_cidade_north.gif
(City of Sao Paulo: north)
and part of
http://www.gatheringofisrael.com/atlas/latin_america/brazil/SP_cidade_east.gif
(City of Sao Paulo:
I don't think so. This is something George III inherited from his Daddy, I'm
afraid. After all, the Clinton presidency pursued the USS Cole case with as much
vigour as any Republican president would have. But Clinton didn't need to turn it
into a domestic election issue.
Dan R Allen wrote:
Oh, and I forgot: there's a mission alumni page, too, which she might find
informative: http://www.mission.net/brazil/sao-paulo/north/index.php
Elmer L. Fairbank wrote:
At 11:39 11/7/2002 -0500, you wrote:
At 08:24 11/7/2002 -0700, you wrote:
Which mission in Sao Paulo, do you know?
(for a
Congratulations to her and your family.
Geoff
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 11/07/02 05:11AM
My daughter got her mission call yesterday, to Sao Paulo. She was
basking
in the irony. She had a terrible experience in Brasil this summer, and
came back dreadfully ill and exhausted.
Till
Israelites? In what way can it be said how willing and capable God is in
helping you succeed in following His commandments?
Dan:
They overcame the people of Jericho. I do not question that the city of
Jericho, or the people of Jericho were destroyed by the Israelites. God
promised
After much pondering, Marc A. Schindler favored us with:
And if they are false in this
instance, they may be false in many others, perhaps most others. And there
goes my confidence in the scriptures. Even the Book of Mormon has a
disclaimer indicating that some things in it might contain
Is everyone pretty convinced that Osama bin Laden is still alive? If he
is, maybe we should finish that part of the War on Terrorism before adding
Saddam Hussein to the hit list. --JWR
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After much pondering, Stacy Smith favored us with:
We are moving to other targets as if we have the Taliban licked. We don't.
Oh, but we have achieved our real if unstated objective. We have dropped a
lot of very expensive bombs, and we have given George Bush wartime powers
at the expense
After much pondering, Jon Spencer favored us with:
You must be much more clear than you have been. Again, I ask, what do you
mean by moving on. I can make lots of guesses, but you should know best
what you mean. As an example of your lack of clarity, do you mean that we
are turning our backs
After much pondering, Stacy Smith favored us with:
I basically believe we will attack and they in turn attack us. We will
then incite the entire Islamic world and all will turn against us.
This is the likely scenario from my perspective. I wonder if either Russia
or China have secret, mutual
Not for her terrible experience and illness, but for the mission call.
:)
I am sure that she'll do a wonderful job and bless the Brazilian
people.
Geoff
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Congratulations to her and your family.
Geoff
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 11/07/02 05:11AM
My daughter got
At 09:39 AM 11/7/2002, Jim cogently stated:
Seems to me that the contention in this discussion is mostly based on
semantic quibbling.
We're talking about written records of history. Every incident and
story related in these records is entirely symbolic. The words and
letters that comprise a
Have any of you seen the comedy entitled Mars Attacks. It is hilarious,
and one of my favorite, recent films.
Congress is dissolved to mere skeletons and then dust. And the White House
is obliterated.
I can think of very little that would so improve our nation, and restore
our ancient
Mark:
I'll answer Marc and Dan together here. Marc didn't address my questions
but Dan does. So, Marc, what's your take on the Red Sea, the walls of
Jericho, et al? Did they happen as described?
Dan's answer has a hint of When the Israelites say they crossed over the
Red Sea on dry ground
It is pretty funny, and full of little in-jokes for those familiar with early SF
films. I LOVE Jack Nicholson as the President.
John W. Redelfs wrote:
Have any of you seen the comedy entitled Mars Attacks. It is hilarious,
and one of my favorite, recent films.
Congress is dissolved to mere
Depends on what you mean by happened. I'm with John Widtsoe on this one. Here's how
he answered the question regarding whether the Flood was universal: John A. Widtsoe,
Evidences and Reconciliations, p.126-127
=
The suggestion has been made that the flood filled every hollow and
Sorry, I hit the send button too quickly. The false dichotomy is that it's your
view or your understanding of another's view. I believe the witness of the Holy
Ghost. Period.
John W. Redelfs wrote:
After much pondering, Marc A. Schindler favored us with:
And if they are false in this
And the Republicans won control of both houses of Congress, don't forget that
one.
John W. Redelfs wrote:
After much pondering, Stacy Smith favored us with:
We are moving to other targets as if we have the Taliban licked. We don't.
Oh, but we have achieved our real if unstated objective.
This is a very interesting comment,a nd sheds a lot of light on the subject at
hand. We often try to read in our own modern, secular ideas of what *we* want the
truth to be, rather than letting the record speak for itself, and we're often
inconsistent. I have on my website a transcript of a talk
-John-
Have any of you seen the comedy entitled Mars Attacks. It is
hilarious, and one of my favorite, recent films.
To each his own, I suppose. Michelle and I watched this some years ago,
and we each thought it was one of the very worst, un-funniest,
unpleasant movies we had ever had the
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Spruce Grove, Alberta, Canada -- Gateway to the Boreal Parkland
Man will occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of the time he
will pick himself up and continue
Stephen Beecroft wrote:
-John-
Have any of you seen the comedy entitled Mars Attacks. It is
hilarious, and one of my favorite, recent films.
To each his own, I suppose. Michelle and I watched this some years ago,
and we each thought it was one of the very worst, un-funniest,
My point exactly and right on target.
Stacy.
At 11:07 AM 11/07/2002 -0900, you wrote:
Is everyone pretty convinced that Osama bin Laden is still alive? If he
is, maybe we should finish that part of the War on Terrorism before adding
Saddam Hussein to the hit list. --JWR
I would like a listing of Steven E. Robinson's books so I might buy
them. This one sounds interesting.
Stacy.
At 09:45 PM 11/07/2002 +, you wrote:
This discussion by Stephen Robinson applies with equal validity to
questions about the historical accuracy of the Bible...
Naturalistic
Here's a letter-to-the-editor in the 04/11/02 New Yorker in response to
the Hendrik Hertzberg editorial that I posted here a while ago. Normally
a liberal (in the US sense), Hertzberg had argued that there was
precedent for US presidential declarations of war (although he didn't
use that term --
After much pondering, Dan R Allen favored us with:
I'm saying that it should not be absolutely _necessary_ for God to have
parted the Red Sea, a'la Charlton Heston, to have a testimony that He
guided the Israelites across it. The fact that He helped them cross the Red
Sea is literal, but the
Stacy Smith wrote:
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I would like a listing of Steven E. Robinson's books so I might buy
them. This one sounds interesting.
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Robinson has written three books that are included on my GospeLink
collection.
ARE MORMONS CHRISTIANS?
by Stephen E. Robinson
Bookcraft
Salt Lake City, Utah 1991
At 06:33 PM 11/7/2002, JWR wrote:
How do you apply this reasoning to Jesus calling Lazarus forth from his
tomb, or raising the daughter of Jairus? Maybe these two were not really
dead, but by the power of God they recovered while if it hadn't been for
the blessing they would have died? Is
Is everyone pretty convinced that Osama bin Laden is still alive? If he
is, maybe we should finish that part of the War on Terrorism before
adding
Saddam Hussein to the hit list. --JWR
I'm convinced he is dead. You can buy anything in this world for money
but only if it exists.
Paul O
We all feel the same joy, John. It might be hard to believe, but the wonder of
the resurrection and the atonement, and the word of God through his scriptures
are just as meaningful to some of us whose views you might look askance at. Let's
just say it takes more than one voice to make a choir, so
Jim Cobabe wrote:
Stacy Smith wrote:
---
I would like a listing of Steven E. Robinson's books so I might buy
them. This one sounds interesting.
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Robinson has written three books that are included on my GospeLink
collection.
ARE MORMONS CHRISTIANS?
by Stephen E. Robinson
Good on ya, mate. Have a root beer for me!
Paul Osborne wrote:
You know what? We could list all the fantastic stories and miracles in
the scriptures and especially from the dreaded Bible and explain them all
away. Then, we could all just quit the church and go have a beer together
and laugh
Well, there have been news reports that his son, Mohammed, has been captured. I
believe he only has 1 son, and 2 daughters, but I'm not sure.
Paul Osborne wrote:
Is everyone pretty convinced that Osama bin Laden is still alive? If he
is, maybe we should finish that part of the War on
Or maybe, like a good joke, you just had to be there to get it.
Steven Montgomery wrote:
At 06:33 PM 11/7/2002, JWR wrote:
How do you apply this reasoning to Jesus calling Lazarus forth from his
tomb, or raising the daughter of Jairus? Maybe these two were not really
dead, but by the
Do we have any of these in immediate electronic form I could look at on a
web site?
Stacy.
At 08:35 PM 11/07/2002 -0700, you wrote:
Jim Cobabe wrote:
Stacy Smith wrote:
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I would like a listing of Steven E. Robinson's books so I might buy
them. This one sounds interesting.
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Actually he admitted it on a videotape played on Al-Jezeera television, out of
Doha, Qatar, the day after. He'd prepared the video ahead of time, so there's not
much doubt.
Paul Osborne wrote:
Do we really know for sure that Osama was behind the 9-11 attacks. Just
what is the evidence?
The
Thanks to the stumblebums at S-Cargo Canada [say it out loud and think
French], I often get two issues of the weekly magazines I subscribe to,
at once. This happened today -- with the 04 November issue of the New
Yorker only now getting here, along with the 11 November issue.
Unfortunately that
I remember that video.
Stacy.
At 09:30 PM 11/07/2002 -0700, you wrote:
Actually he admitted it on a videotape played on Al-Jezeera television, out of
Doha, Qatar, the day after. He'd prepared the video ahead of time, so
there's not
much doubt.
Paul Osborne wrote:
Do we really know for sure
Thanks.
Stacy.
At 07:49 PM 11/07/2002 -0900, you wrote:
After much pondering, Stacy Smith favored us with:
I would like a listing of Steven E. Robinson's books so I might buy
them. This one sounds interesting.
/
An angel appears at a faculty meeting and tells the dean that in return
for his unselfish and exemplary behavior, the Lord will reward him
with his choice of infinite wealth, wisdom, or beauty.
Without hesitating, the dean selects infinite wisdom.
Done! says the angel, and disappears in a
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