RE: [ZION] A Whirlwind Trip South

2002-11-12 Thread John W. Redelfs
After much pondering, Jim Cobabe favored us with: John, I'm living at my folk's place in central Utah these days. Not doing much of anything--I've just been hanging around half-heartedly looking for gainful employment. I can come and find you just about any time. It would be great fun to get

Re: [ZION] Truman (was Taliban in pakistan)

2002-11-12 Thread John W. Redelfs
After much pondering, Gary Smith favored us with: We can attack individuals for the choices they made through hindsight, or we can realize that such decisions are complicated. Chaos theory states that a butterfly flapping its wings today in China can cause storms in America in two weeks. Do we

Re: [ZION] A Whirlwind Trip South

2002-11-12 Thread John W. Redelfs
After much pondering, Marc A. Schindler favored us with: The only way to visit Seattle is to take the ferry down the Inside Passage from Ketchikan (if there is one) or Prince Rupert, but that would take quite a while, I would think -- a few days, John? There is regular Alaska Marine Highway

Re: [ZION] Truman (was Taliban in pakistan)

2002-11-12 Thread Steven Montgomery
At 08:15 PM 11/11/2002, Gary wrote: Wilford Woodruff divided the nations after WWI, including making a new nation called Yugoslavia. He did? grin If so, he must have done so as a resurrected being. ;-) -- Steven Montgomery [EMAIL PROTECTED] . . . it is as much their [The Elders of Israel]

Re: [ZION] War against Islam

2002-11-12 Thread Steven Montgomery
At 08:25 PM 11/11/2002, Gary wrote: Their Jihad is on the same level as the Christian Crusades. Those who went on the Crusades were promised everlasting life. They were told to use whatever means to obtain the holy city. And they did. They were ruthless, killing men, women and children. They

Re: [ZION] Japan

2002-11-12 Thread Jon Spencer
Just a little side note about Japanese treatment of POWs and a little more. 57% of the POWs held by Japan died. A little less than 1% of the POWs held by Germany and the horrid Hitler died. The world pursued the German war criminals for 50+ years; the Japanese war criminals pretty much were

Re: [ZION] Answer to life

2002-11-12 Thread Jon Spencer
The question is: What is 9 times 6? Jon Gary Smith wrote: Ahh, that's true. But what is the question It's kind of like saying that the answer to life, the universe and everything is 42. Sign Up

RE: [ZION] A Whirlwind Trip South

2002-11-12 Thread Elmer L. Fairbank
At 17:47 11/11/2002 -0900, BLT wrote: Now that you are no longer working for Microsoft, do you still have the tenacious loyalty to them that you used to feel? John, Speaking of your great love for Microsoft, my daughter just sent me this link. Thought you would appreciate it, if you haven't

Re: [ZION] Truman (was Taliban in pakistan)

2002-11-12 Thread Elmer L. Fairbank
At 21:15 11/11/2002 -0600, Gary wrote: Wilford Woodruff divided the nations after WWI, including making a new nation called Yugoslavia. Whoa, I think this must be a typo. 8)) Till the getting dizzier by the minute

[ZION] A Whirlwind Trip South

2002-11-12 Thread Doug McGee
John, I'd be up for a visit. What time do you get into SLC? Want to come North a bit? I'm up for buying lunch or dinner if you'd like to. Doug -- Out the modem, through the POP, down the T1, off the router, down the OC3 ...nothin' but Net. --- Name: Doug

Re: [ZION] One Party Rule?

2002-11-12 Thread Jon Spencer
Then I think that ALL Utah Mormons should be ex'ed. Hmmm - good bye President Hinckley. OK, so that won't work. How about this? Set up a booth in the malls which will give $100 to anyone with a temple recommend. Collect the names. After a few weeks, ex them all! Yes! By the way, when I get

Re: [ZION] One Party Rule?

2002-11-12 Thread Doug McGee
Yup, us bad old Utah Mormons.. Gosh, I haven't been to the Mall on a Sunday yet. I must just not know what I'm missing. Do they have free entertainment on Sundays??? Thinking back, I don't recall the last time I was even at a grocery store or any other kind of store on a Sunday. I did go

[ZION] Islam takes over the world

2002-11-12 Thread Gary Smith
Here's a news article I just found: West in mortal danger from Islam, says Putin http://news.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2002/11/12/wput12.x ml By Ambrose Evans-Pritchard in Brussels and Julius Strauss in Moscow (Filed: 12/11/2002) Islamic radicals are pursuing the systematic

Re: [ZION] Social Mormons (was: Liberal dems unveil...)

2002-11-12 Thread John W. Redelfs
After much pondering, Jon Spencer favored us with: So exactly what does (paraphrasing from memory) the following mean: eat meat sparingly and only in the winter ? That is not what it says. It says, Eat meat sparingly and they should not be used only in times of winter or hunger. To me that

Re: [ZION] A Whirlwind Trip South

2002-11-12 Thread John W. Redelfs
After much pondering, Doug McGee favored us with: John, I'd be up for a visit. What time do you get into SLC? Want to come North a bit? I'm up for buying lunch or dinner if you'd like to. I'm getting into Salt Lake City on Saturday at 4:30 PM. Want to meet my plane? I don't have any way

Re: [ZION] One Party Rule?

2002-11-12 Thread John W. Redelfs
After much pondering, Jon Spencer favored us with: Then I think that ALL Utah Mormons should be ex'ed. Hmmm - good bye President Hinckley. Are you suggesting that President Hinckley goes shopping at the mall on Sunday? grin OK, so that won't work. How about this? Set up a booth in the

Re: [ZION] One Party Rule?

2002-11-12 Thread John W. Redelfs
After much pondering, Doug McGee favored us with: Yup, us bad old Utah Mormons.. Gosh, I haven't been to the Mall on a Sunday yet. I must just not know what I'm missing. Do they have free entertainment on Sundays??? Thinking back, I don't recall the last time I was even at a grocery store

RE: [ZION] One party rule?

2002-11-12 Thread Jim Cobabe
Perhaps the motivation behind liberal rhetoric reacting to the Republican domination in US politics is more instructive than all the supposedly moderate and centrist Democrat voices urging respect and tolerance for their views. Perhaps Bill Moyers editorial gives a better picture of what

Re: [ZION] Answer to life

2002-11-12 Thread Marc A. Schindler
Are you sure? Jon Spencer wrote: The question is: What is 9 times 6? Jon Gary Smith wrote: Ahh, that's true. But what is the question It's kind of like saying that the answer to life, the universe and everything is 42.

Re: [ZION] One Party Rule?

2002-11-12 Thread Marc A. Schindler
We hicks out here in the stayx don't shop on Sundays (speaking for me and my house, anywho). I won't even put gas in the car on Sunday. We always make sure there's enough gas in the cars on Saturday so that whoever is taking a vehicle into Edmonton Monday morning has enough. Doug McGee wrote:

Re: [ZION] Islam takes over the world

2002-11-12 Thread Marc A. Schindler
Putin has an agenda. It starts with Ch and ends in ya. Gary Smith wrote: Here's a news article I just found: West in mortal danger from Islam, says Putin http://news.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2002/11/12/wput12.x ml By Ambrose Evans-Pritchard in Brussels and Julius Strauss

Re: [ZION] Social Mormons (was: Liberal dems unveil...)

2002-11-12 Thread Marc A. Schindler
I think it means what it says, but the point is that modern-day prophets have defined what the WoW means for us. I'll give you an example. Many people assume it means no caffeine, but if that were the case a good portion of OTC drugs that we take would be verboten. Is decaff okay? No. Clearly

RE: [ZION] A Whirlwind Trip South

2002-11-12 Thread Mark Gregson
The temple is closed on Monday, isn't it? I for sure want to do a temple session while I'm there. It is so hard to get to a temple when one is in Ketchikan. Your schedule probably won't allow for it, but you could attend a session in either Cardston with Tom Matkin, or Edmonton

[ZION] Tornado devastation

2002-11-12 Thread Val
Hey Zionisti: Has anyone heard from Gary Smith? The tornados that went through here hit Alabama, and the town hit there was flattened. I think Gary lives very near where it hit there, so I'm just worrying--hopefully needlessly. The tornado that went through Indiana in through Van Wert,

Re: [ZION] Truman (was Taliban in pakistan)

2002-11-12 Thread John W. Redelfs
After much pondering, Marc A. Schindler favored us with: Except that the war wasn't being waged under the US Constitution, and as Gary has pointed out, if the UN had pushed too hard or threatened to use nuclear weapons, all of Red China would have been down our throats. Who cares? At the

RE: [ZION] Social Mormons

2002-11-12 Thread Jeffrey Ross
That is not what it says. It says, Eat meat sparingly and they should not be used only in times of winter or hunger. To me that clearly means that we should not limit our use of these things to winter or hunger. But that we are to eat meat sparingly at all times. John W.

Re: [ZION] One party rule?

2002-11-12 Thread Stacy Smith
I think what everyone means by socialists are the people informally who believe that the government should pay for health care for everyone regardless of income or social status, not necessarily those that belong to the Communist party or groups thereof. I think this needs to be clarified

[ZION] Fw:Trust (Urgent Attention)

2002-11-12 Thread Val
Man, am I going to get rich or what? ;-p val -- Forwarded Message -- From: Vincent Makori [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Trust (Urgent Attention) Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 08:16:44 STRICTLY CONFIDENTIAL URGENT I am Dr. Vincent Makori, a native of Cape Town and

RE: [ZION] A Whirlwind Trip South

2002-11-12 Thread Jim Cobabe
John, My folks place is in Sanpete County, about 50 miles southeast of Provo--midway between Provo and Manti. This is about two hours of highway time from the airport, or from downtown SLC. In any case I'm really flexible. How about you and Doug figure out a schedule that works, and I'll

Re: [ZION] Truman (was Taliban in pakistan)

2002-11-12 Thread Geoff FOWLER
Obviously, Woodrow Wilson was what was meant here, and I believe he was instrumental in pushing the creation of both Yugoslavia and Czechoslovakia, which were created out of the then-defunct Austro-Hungarian and Ottoman empires. Geoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] 11/12/02 09:23AM He was probably

Re: [ZION] Hypocrisy

2002-11-12 Thread John W. Redelfs
After much pondering, Jim Cobabe favored us with: It sickens me to realize that I so often put myself in that same category of those who do not live up to the standard they preach. Yet those of us who strive to reach higher and do better are always bound to experience setbacks, and fall short of

Re: [ZION] One party rule?

2002-11-12 Thread Irwin Delay
In a previous post, Stacy Smith wrote, I think what everyone means by socialists are the people informally who believe that the government should pay for health care for everyone regardless of income or social status, not necessarily those that belong to the Communist party or groups thereof. I

Re: [ZION] Hypocrisy

2002-11-12 Thread Elmer L. Fairbank
At 17:35 11/12/2002 +, Gib Mij wrote: How do we avoid hypocrisy, yet at the same time continually strive to exceed our own limits? Jesus is the only perfect example. At more reflective moments, the goal of being like him seems impossibly remote and discouraging. But you, my friend,

Re: [ZION] Tornado devastation

2002-11-12 Thread John W. Redelfs
After much pondering, Val favored us with: Hey Zionisti: Has anyone heard from Gary Smith? The tornados that went through here hit Alabama, and the town hit there was flattened. I think Gary lives very near where it hit there, so I'm just worrying--hopefully needlessly. Gary lives in

Re: [ZION] One party rule?

2002-11-12 Thread Elmer L. Fairbank
At 09:42 11/12/2002 -0800, Stacy wrote: I think what everyone means by socialists are the people informally who believe that the government should pay for health care for everyone regardless of income or social status, not necessarily those that belong to the Communist party or groups thereof.

Re: [ZION] One party rule?

2002-11-12 Thread John W. Redelfs
After much pondering, Irwin Delay favored us with: Thanks for the clarification. We are not even married yet and I need to be corrected. (grin) After you are married, you will get all the correction you need. grin --JWR

Re: [ZION] Hypocrisy

2002-11-12 Thread John W. Redelfs
After much pondering, Elmer L. Fairbank favored us with: Till the not so great himself Hey, you are coming up in the world. The last time we had a humble pie eating contest, you won it, if I remember correctly. You were really groveling in the dust, I believe. --JWR

Re: [ZION] One party rule?

2002-11-12 Thread Marc A. Schindler
Gary Smith wrote: I think the problem in a one party system is shown historically. The South became polarized to the Democratic party in the 1850s, with other parties being totally squeezed out (Republicans, Whigs, Know-Nothings, etc) Well, actually the Know-Nothings became known as

RE: [ZION] A Whirlwind Trip South

2002-11-12 Thread Stephen Beecroft
-Stephen- I wish I could, Stephen. But there isn't any coastal route from the Seattle area to Prince Rupert. Nonsense! There's always a route. Oh, do you mean a route you can drive your car through? Never mind. You mean you can't get in any of the building because they laid you off? Shame

Re: [ZION] One party rule?

2002-11-12 Thread Marc A. Schindler
Yeah, fundamentalists are taking control all over the place. Pretty sad, isn't it? Jim Cobabe wrote: Perhaps the motivation behind liberal rhetoric reacting to the Republican domination in US politics is more instructive than all the supposedly moderate and centrist Democrat voices urging

Re: [ZION] Social Mormons (was: Liberal dems unveil...)

2002-11-12 Thread Marc A. Schindler
There's been a lot of discussion about this. My own opinion is that, given speech patterns of the day, the sentence is parsed better with a comma after used. In other words, it *does* restrict meat to only times of winter or hunger. The phrase not be used only is anachronistically late 20th

RE: [ZION] A Whirlwind Trip South

2002-11-12 Thread Stephen Beecroft
-Stephen- -Stephen- I wish I could, Stephen. But there isn't any coastal route from the Seattle area to Prince Rupert. Amazing. I quoted myself. No, wait, that was actually John. I just got confused and thought he was me because he's going to be in Utah with me. Except that I don't live in

RE: [ZION] One party rule?

2002-11-12 Thread Stephen Beecroft
-Irwin- Thanks for the clarification. We are not even married yet and I need to be corrected. (grin) -John- After you are married, you will get all the correction you need. That's what I thought at first, but Michelle informs me that this is a slanderous falsehood. Stephen

Re: [ZION] A Whirlwind Trip South

2002-11-12 Thread Marc A. Schindler
Mark Gregson wrote: do what we can to accommodate you. I'm probably the closest to the highway you'll be on (the Yellowhead) but Mark's not too far off, and That's right. It's a fifteen minute drive from my house to the highway, John, so call me when you get to the little white church

Re: [ZION] One party rule?

2002-11-12 Thread Stacy Smith
In my opinion the more parties the better. Stacy. At 07:00 AM 11/12/2002 -0900, you wrote: After much pondering, Gary Smith favored us with: I think the problem in a one party system is shown historically. The South became polarized to the Democratic party in the 1850s, with other parties

Re: [ZION] One party rule?

2002-11-12 Thread Marc A. Schindler
Well said, and welcome to the list, Irwin. Irwin Delay wrote: Hello, my name is Irwin Delay. I recently joined the list. Although I am not a Latter-day Saint, I have been reading LDS literature for the past three years. Also, I am engaged to a Latter-day Saint. I must respond to the

RE: [ZION] A Whirlwind Trip South

2002-11-12 Thread Mark Gregson
I'll leave Wednesday morning however early I need to. But if I leave Cardston before noon on Thursday, I ought to be able to get to Edmonton about 6:00 PM or even earlier don't you think? Sure, so long as the weather cooperates. It's dual lane divided highway all the way except for

Re:Re: [ZION] One party rule?

2002-11-12 Thread Val
-- Stacy Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: In my opinion the more parties the better. Stacy. I agree. . .party on, dude!! val At 07:00 AM 11/12/2002 -0900, you wrote: After much pondering, Gary Smith favored us with: I think the problem in a one party system is shown historically. The

Re: [ZION] One party rule?

2002-11-12 Thread Elmer L. Fairbank
At 11:42 11/12/2002 -0700, M Marc wrote: And politicians are like underwear: they need to be changed periodically. And dunked in suds and hung out to dry. (or would taken to the cleaners be better? no, that's what they do to us) Till the ever watchful

Re: [ZION] Hypocrisy

2002-11-12 Thread Elmer L. Fairbank
At 09:42 11/12/2002 -0900, BLT wrote: After much pondering, Elmer L. Fairbank favored us with: Till the not so great himself Hey, you are coming up in the world. The last time we had a humble pie eating contest, you won it, if I remember correctly. You were really groveling in the dust, I

Re: [ZION] One party rule?

2002-11-12 Thread Elmer L. Fairbank
At 11:00 11/12/2002 -0800, you wrote: In my opinion the more parties the better. YES!!! the more the merrier. Now who's bringing the cookies? the green jello Till the party animal // /// ZION LIST

Re: [ZION] Truman (was Taliban in pakistan)

2002-11-12 Thread Marc A. Schindler
Your point about the UN is well-taken, but that was my point, too -- the US decided to run the war under the auspices of the UN. Perhaps, I don't know, so it wouldn't have to be a so-called constitutional war. John W. Redelfs wrote: After much pondering, Marc A. Schindler favored us with:

Re: [ZION] One party rule?

2002-11-12 Thread Marc A. Schindler
John W. Redelfs wrote: For instance, to me a socialist is anyone who advocates government redistribution of the wealth from those who produce wealth to those who don't. Using that definition the Democratic party is definitely controlled by socialists. But then using that definition, the

Re: [ZION] Social Mormons (was: Liberal dems unveil...)

2002-11-12 Thread Paul Osborne
That is not what it says. It says, Eat meat sparingly and they should not be used only in times of winter or hunger. To me that clearly means that we should not limit our use of these things to winter or hunger. But that we are to eat meat sparingly at all times. I don't eat meat with

Re: [ZION] One party rule?

2002-11-12 Thread Paul Osborne
What I read into Elder Jensen's article is if the Democratic party isn't what we want it to be, then perhaps if enough of us were to switch over to it, we could change it for the better. We'd kick the socialists out of it and into the Green Party (or other socialist party of one's choice), and

Re: [ZION] One Party Rule?

2002-11-12 Thread Paul Osborne
Thinking back, I don't recall the last time I was even at a grocery store or any other kind of store on a Sunday. I've snuck out a few times over the years and it makes me feel guilty. But, when I've gone shopping after midnight (Monday morning) my conscience is as clear as can be. What do you

Re: [ZION] Answer to life

2002-11-12 Thread Marc A. Schindler
As my linear algebra prof was fond of saying, if you can't think of at least three internally inconsistent yet true statements before breakfast you'll never be a mathematician. Mind you, I don't know if he was including simple arithmetic there. Stephen Beecroft wrote: -Jon- It's kind of like

Re: [ZION] One party rule?

2002-11-12 Thread Stacy Smith
Well, I had a rather different idea about what kind of parties to have. Lol. Stacy. At 02:18 PM 11/12/2002 -0500, you wrote: At 11:00 11/12/2002 -0800, you wrote: In my opinion the more parties the better. YES!!! the more the merrier. Now who's bringing the cookies? the green

Re: [ZION] One party rule?

2002-11-12 Thread Paul Osborne
I've been thinking of becoming a Democrat. I can't see a nickle's worth of difference between Democrats and Republicans except in their rhetoric. They both vote the same wrong way on the issues that matter to me. And since I never vote for the candidate of either party, why not be a

Re: [ZION] One party rule?

2002-11-12 Thread Paul Osborne
Irwin wrote, A strong federal government is a must in order to protect the rights of the minority. I agree, just so long as they don't step on my right while in the process of protecting others. ;-) Paul O [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [ZION] Social Mormons (was: Liberal dems unveil...)

2002-11-12 Thread Stacy Smith
Then I'm in trouble because I use lots of convenience foods because I have trouble cooking. I guess I'll have to tell the bishop that I'm working on substituting some soy products for meat dishes but I'll need to know where soy TV dinners, etc. exist. Stacy. At 11:46 AM 11/12/2002 -0700, you

Re: [ZION] A Whirlwind Trip South

2002-11-12 Thread Marc A. Schindler
John W. Redelfs wrote: Is the road from Edmonton to Prince George as good as the road from Prince George to Prince Rupert? It's basically freeway* almost half the way (from Hinton to Edmonton -- the last 40% of the way, iow), and good 2-lane highway with shoulders and passing lanes from

Re: [ZION] One party rule?

2002-11-12 Thread Stacy Smith
I would refrain from making such comments on the list in case certain persons come on this list that are known between us. I wasn't trying to correct you but only giving my views on the subject for the list. Do I believe everyone should have free health care? Too expensive in my opinion.

Re: [ZION] A Whirlwind Trip South

2002-11-12 Thread Elmer L. Fairbank
At 12:17 11/12/2002 -0700, M Marc wrote: another aspect of this is that I lose my sense of where I am in space if I don't have enough visual or tactile clues, and don't know up from down. Often I don't realize I've even fallen until I feel the pain from the blow). Ah, my friend, come grovel

Re: [ZION] One Party Rule?

2002-11-12 Thread Geoff FOWLER
Paul wrote: I've snuck out a few times over the years and it makes me feel guilty. But, when I've gone shopping after midnight (Monday morning) my conscience is as clear as can be. What do you think of that? I love those loopholes. ;-) I don't consider them loopholes at all. When I started

Re: [ZION] Social Mormons (was: Liberal dems unveil...)

2002-11-12 Thread Elmer L. Fairbank
At 13:23 11/12/2002 -0600, St Paul not Minnesota wrote: I don't eat meat with every meal and certainly not every day. What does sparingly mean? Till would maintain that this is really a typo and that sparringly is what is really meant. It's obvious from the view here that we are to wrestle

Re: [ZION] Social Mormons (was: Liberal dems unveil...)

2002-11-12 Thread Elmer L. Fairbank
At 11:37 11/12/2002 -0800, St Stacy wrote: Then I'm in trouble because I use lots of convenience foods because I have trouble cooking. I guess I'll have to tell the bishop that I'm working on substituting some soy products for meat dishes but I'll need to know where soy TV dinners, etc.

Re: [ZION] One party rule?

2002-11-12 Thread Elmer L. Fairbank
At 12:46 11/12/2002 -0700, M Marc wrote: This is a concept we're well acquainted with in Canada, where we separate the Head of State from Head of Government. The Head of State (the husband) is purely ceremonial and only really needed in times of crisis ;-) You mean Red was giving me bad

Re: [ZION] Taliban in Pakistan

2002-11-12 Thread Rick Mathis
At 08:00 PM 11/8/2002 -0700, Steven wrote: Prior to the Civil War noncombatants were traditionally and legally by the laws of nations left alone. The concept of total war (targeting civilians as well as combatants) had its roots in the Civil War (when war would be poured out upon all nations)

RE: [ZION] Taliban in Pakistan

2002-11-12 Thread Rick Mathis
At 05:33 AM 11/9/2002 -0700, Steven wrote: Stephen, Perhaps you're right, but I still fail to see how the United States maintained the moral high ground by bombing civilians. I think a demonstration about 5 miles offshore might have accomplished the same purpose. This is an excellent

Re: [ZION] One party rule?

2002-11-12 Thread Dan R Allen
Irwin wrote, A strong federal government is a must in order to protect the rights of the minority. Paul: I agree, just so long as they don't step on my right while in the process of protecting others. ;-) Dan: A strong federal government is also a must in order to eliminate the rights of

Re: [ZION] One party rule?

2002-11-12 Thread Paul Osborne
JWR said: I am opposed to the concept of legal plunder which is using the law to steal from one man and give it to another. And the Democrats have pretty much built their party on that concept. Plunder?? Can we read about this in the DC? Consecration? United Order? Let us take from the riches

Re: [ZION] Social Mormons (was: Liberal dems unveil...)

2002-11-12 Thread Paul Osborne
Marc wrote: Many people assume it means no caffeine, but if that were the case a good portion of OTC drugs that we take would be verboten. Is decaff okay? No. Clearly we're not to drink coffee or (green/black) tea. That's what it means, not no caffeine. We tend to get bogged down in unimportant

Re: [ZION] China

2002-11-12 Thread Paul Osborne
Who cares? At the time, Red China didn't have any power. They couldn't have fought us without losing gazillions of people. They were fighting with clubs and pitchforks Actually, the Chinese are not much of a world force even today in my opinion. Not to offend anyone but their technology is

Re: [ZION] Truman (was Taliban in pakistan)

2002-11-12 Thread Dan R Allen
John: Who cares? At the time, Red China didn't have any power. They couldn't have fought us without losing gazillions of people. They were fighting with clubs and pitchforks. We would have toppled Mao's regime, and the genocide of the Cultural Revolution would never have taken place. By

[ZION] Imad Fayaz Mughniyeh

2002-11-12 Thread Marc A. Schindler
This is a name you may hear more about in the upcoming days. Here's an article about him in the National Post, where it alleges he is supporting a terrorist cell operating in Canada (which would be one of many actually -- his name is mentioned in Peter Bergen's Holy War, Inc. as the Iranian

Re: [ZION] China

2002-11-12 Thread Dan R Allen
Paul: Actually, the Chinese are not much of a world force even today in my opinion. Not to offend anyone but their technology is flawed and I'll tell you right now that they cannot even design a proper light bulb! I've personally torn down Chinese made light bulbs and have compared them to

Re: [ZION] Hypocrisy

2002-11-12 Thread Paul Osborne
Jim wrote Hypocrisy is a troubling concept for me. I often reflect on the rights and wrongs of my life, and find that I have generally fallen far short of the ideals and correct principles I claim to embrace. In short, I am a hypocrite. I read your letter and appreciate your sentiments. I

[ZION] When does the Sabbath end?

2002-11-12 Thread John W. Redelfs
After much pondering, Paul Osborne favored us with: I've snuck out a few times over the years and it makes me feel guilty. But, when I've gone shopping after midnight (Monday morning) my conscience is as clear as can be. What do you think of that? I love those loopholes. ;-) If I was a Jew, the

Re: [ZION] Social Mormons (was: Liberal dems unveil...)

2002-11-12 Thread John W. Redelfs
After much pondering, Elmer L. Fairbank favored us with: Till would maintain that this is really a typo and that sparringly is what is really meant. It's obvious from the view here that we are to wrestle with our dinners before we eat them. Well, if you'd ever been to a rodeo, you know that

Re: [ZION] One party rule?

2002-11-12 Thread John W. Redelfs
After much pondering, Marc A. Schindler favored us with: Such as laws which allowed the workers of Enron to have their pension funds robbed by the big brass (sorry, I couldn't resist, although I'm sure John would actually agree). You bet I do. That's called corporate welfare, and is just

RE: [ZION] A Whirlwind Trip South

2002-11-12 Thread Tom Matkin
I've been a little overwhelmed with the volume of chatter today. I've tried, at the least, to read everything on this thread but I can't be sure. So I'll summarize and stand to be corrected if necessary. My understanding is that JWR is planning to leave Provo on Wednesday November 20, 2002 in

Re: [ZION] Social Mormons (was: Liberal dems unveil...)

2002-11-12 Thread Marc A. Schindler
Oh, I think every herb was put here for mankind's use. I used to date a pharmacist, and she said that one of the first things they learn is that the difference between a drug and a poison is context (meaning dose and condition for which it's being prescribed, etc.). Heck, there's probably even a

Re: [ZION] One party rule?

2002-11-12 Thread John W. Redelfs
After much pondering, Paul Osborne favored us with: Plunder?? Can we read about this in the DC? Consecration? United Order? Let us take from the riches of John Redelfs and give to poor Paul Osborne! After all, we are all brethren and we should be more equal in wealth. Right? If you need

[ZION] one party rule?

2002-11-12 Thread Gary Smith
Irwin, Welcome to the list. I hope you'll enjoy your stay. Let me clarify my points for you and everyone else on the list. The Democratic party has evolved tremendously since the days of Thomas Jefferson. He saw a great need for a limited government, in order to keep the federal government from

[ZION] Truman

2002-11-12 Thread Gary Smith
Man! Talk about a bunch of ravenous wolves we have on this list! Throw them a bone and they'll have it devoured before it hits the ground. Fortunately for all of you, I'm in a good mood. So none of you will be exiled from the Zion list this week. Instead, I'll expect all of you to do penance to

[ZION] Answer to life

2002-11-12 Thread Gary Smith
Jon's using the Pavlovian answer. Anyone could come up with 9 times 6 whenever the bell rings. I suppose there was mouth foaming issues involved in it, too. So in other words, it wasn't the perfect question. You can't have a perfect question if there is any mouth foaming involved. Also, what if

Re: [ZION] A Whirlwind Trip South

2002-11-12 Thread Marc A. Schindler
Thanks for the encouraging word, but you'd be surprised. After my last fall, on Sunday evening, I thought I had landed up against the wall. I was actually on the floor. It was totally dark and I hadn't a clue where I was. Someone had broken one of our cardinal rules here, which is never leave the

Re: [ZION] Taliban in Pakistan

2002-11-12 Thread Marc A. Schindler
You're both right, but are talking about different periods of history. After the Treaty of Westphalia in the 17th century, military battles, which until then had been as Rick characterizes them, took on a more civilized manner. It lasted maybe about a century. Rick Mathis wrote: At 08:00 PM

Re: [ZION] One party rule?

2002-11-12 Thread Marc A. Schindler
Well, you'll note how most of his projects end up. Elmer L. Fairbank wrote: At 12:46 11/12/2002 -0700, M Marc wrote: This is a concept we're well acquainted with in Canada, where we separate the Head of State from Head of Government. The Head of State (the husband) is purely ceremonial

Re: [ZION] One party rule?

2002-11-12 Thread Marc A. Schindler
I don't care whose watch they were codified under -- they're still laws which allow for unlawful transfer of property. Dan R Allen wrote: John W. Redelfs wrote: For instance, to me a socialist is anyone who advocates government redistribution of the wealth from those who produce wealth to

Re: [ZION] Social Mormons (was: Liberal dems unveil...)

2002-11-12 Thread Marc A. Schindler
In one piece. If it's larger, cut it up first. John W. Redelfs wrote: After much pondering, Paul Osborne favored us with: I don't eat meat with every meal and certainly not every day. What does sparingly mean? It just means that you should never eat a steak that is over 1.5 lbs. --JWR --

Re: [ZION] Social Mormons (was: Liberal dems unveil...)

2002-11-12 Thread Marc A. Schindler
Reminds me of a joke whose punchline is, Well, sir and madam, you see, sometimes the bull wins... (We call 'em Rocky Mountain oysters around here, but steers don't have them anymore) John W. Redelfs wrote: After much pondering, Elmer L. Fairbank favored us with: Till would maintain that this

RE: [ZION] Answer to life

2002-11-12 Thread Stephen Beecroft
-Gary- what if the person isn't using Euclidean mathematics? Then 9 times 6 may NOT equal 42. And if he is using Euclidean mathematics? Stephen // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// ///

Re: [ZION] Answer to life

2002-11-12 Thread Marc A. Schindler
Only if you're adding angles on Riemann surfaces, and if you know how to do that, you can do your arithmetic any way you want to. I will not stand in the way of a good, sturdy, upright, Reimannian, be he globe-encircling or back in the saddle again (or Romanian, or, heck, Romulan for that matter).

Re: [ZION] Truman

2002-11-12 Thread Marc A. Schindler
Gary Smith wrote: Man! Talk about a bunch of ravenous wolves we have on this list! Throw them a bone and they'll have it devoured before it hits the ground. Fortunately for all of you, I'm in a good mood. So none of you will be exiled from the Zion list this week. Instead, I'll expect

Re: [ZION] a whirlwind trip south

2002-11-12 Thread Marc A. Schindler
Gary Smith wrote: What, no back bacon And how about giving our poor Ketchikaner a took, so he can bear those cold Canadian winters and Marc's liberal kindness? Who took John's toque? They should give it back. I have a siwash I can lend him. It's bright red with snowflake patterns, so

Re: [ZION] China

2002-11-12 Thread Marc A. Schindler
Anyone who does business in China will soon learn that the military gets the best, just like the old Soviet Union. In fact, generals and other senior officers are allowed now (since 1985) to get involved as partners on joint ventures with foreign firms, which brings in technology (not to mention

Re: [ZION] One party rule?

2002-11-12 Thread John W. Redelfs
After much pondering, Marc A. Schindler favored us with: I don't care whose watch they were codified under -- they're still laws which allow for unlawful transfer of property. Speaking of unlawful transfer of property, a couple of days ago my son made an interesting observation. He said that

Re: [ZION] Answer to life

2002-11-12 Thread Marc A. Schindler
Then the sum of the squaws with the hides is equal to the squaw of the hippopotamus, of course. Sheesh, didn't you take high school geometry? ;-) (That's called yer Pithergory Theory, according to Charlie Farquhason) Stephen Beecroft wrote: -Gary- what if the person isn't using Euclidean

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