Re: [ZION] Mannequins

2002-11-14 Thread Elmer L. Fairbank
At 21:46 11/13/2002 -0600, Grryyy wrote: Would someone please tell Till's wife to keep him away from the store front windows? He's scaring the passersby... Till thinks the mannikins scares the passersby. At least they do him.

[ZION] Family Search

2002-11-14 Thread Jon Spencer
On my way home from teaching Seminary this morning, I was listening to the radio. They have a segment from someone who calls herself Kim Commando - she talks about computer topics. She was speaking to those who are doing family history, and talked about the fact The Church of Jesus Christ of

Re: [ZION] Hardwired for God?

2002-11-14 Thread Steven Montgomery
At 11:37 PM 11/13/2002, Marc wrote: Speaking of the star of Bethlehem, I'm sure you have heard most of the theories as to what it might have been. What would be your reaction if you learned that it might actually be an astrological phenomenon, and that it didn't happen in 1 A.D.? -- Marc A.

Re: [ZION] Coffee beans

2002-11-14 Thread Elmer L. Fairbank
At 06:30 11/14/2002 -0800, you wrote: At 11:32 PM 11/13/2002 -0700, Marc wrote: BTW, why didn't the doc prescribe digitalis or digoxin? Digitalis has been around since antiquity (it comes from the foxglove plant), and digoxin has been in use since at least WWII, iirc. It's usually the drug of

[ZION] Deseret Book standards

2002-11-14 Thread Jim Cobabe
LDS Author 's Book Deemed Inappropriate Thursday, November 14, 2002 BY CHRISTY KARRAS THE SALT LAKE TRIBUNE Nobody looked to Deseret Book as a source for steamy romance novels, but now even tame love stories face possible eviction from the shelves. The LDS Church-owned chain of

Re: [ZION] answer to life

2002-11-14 Thread Jon Spencer
I didn't insist on it! I just IMPLIED that I insisted on it. Quite a difference, don't you think? :-) And I made it 46 rather than 42 just to confuse the base 13ers. It almost worked, but one (Stephen) caught on. Isn't it great how we can start a discussion on almost any topic? Jon Gary

Re: [ZION] One Party Rule?

2002-11-14 Thread Scott McGee
On Tue, 12 Nov 2002 07:25:28 -0800, Doug McGee [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: I did go to a restaurant on a Sunday back in June. We were on vacation and figured we had to eat something. Hmm, so it is ok to break the sabbath on vacation? You probably should have bought something the night before.

Re: [ZION] Taliban in Pakistan

2002-11-14 Thread Jon Spencer
Actually, I believe that we had six bombs. But that is beside the point, I think. Two seemed to be enough. Jon Gary Smith wrote: Also, they only had the two bombs. To make more would take months of refining the ore and building the bombs. To use one in an ineffective way would have been a

Re: [ZION] One Party Rule?

2002-11-14 Thread Geoff FOWLER
Scott favored us with the following: I tend to use (not abuse) the Ox in the mire philosophy. For instance, there was a time a few months back where I had to run to the store for something we really needed on a Sunday. I felt really bad about it, and resolved more strongly to anticipate such

[ZION] Quebed man detained for buying gas in Maine

2002-11-14 Thread Marc A. Schindler
Well, the subject matter is more of an attention-getter. The devil's in the details. But the little town of Pohénémagook was there before the border was drawn, giving rise to all kinds of crazy situations. There is a gas station whose pumps are on the US side, but the only access is from Canada.

[ZION] Targets in Alberta identified

2002-11-14 Thread Marc A. Schindler
Two potential targets for terrorists have been specifically identified in Alberta by U.S. officials: Stampede Park in Calgary, and one of the tar sands megaprojects in NE Alberta: http://edmonton.cbc.ca/template/servlet/View?filename=no14terroristthreate -- Marc A. Schindler Spruce Grove,

[ZION] truman the villain

2002-11-14 Thread Gary Smith
Actually, no. We had a treaty, signed by Congress, stating we would defend Korea from any invasions. Congress also ratified our working with the UN on fighting the war. So, it was done under the okay of our Constitution. You see, the Constitution doesn't say we have to declare war, it only says

[ZION] China

2002-11-14 Thread Gary Smith
China doesn't like India, so it hasn't done anything for them. However, they have helped fund N Korea and Pakistan efforts. K'aya K'ama, Gerald/gary Smithgszion1 @juno.comhttp://www .geocities.com/rameumptom/index.html No one is as hopelessly enslaved as the person who thinks he's free.

Re: [ZION] China

2002-11-14 Thread Marc A. Schindler
China used to supply technology to India, but India's now far more advanced than China. They have never supplied anything to Pakistan as far as I'm aware, who was the US client in the region during the Cold War. China also has some major border issues with India, and India has given refuge to a

Re: [ZION] Quebec man detained for buying gas in Maine

2002-11-14 Thread Sandy and Melinda Rabinowitz
My goodness. How difficult would it be for the US and Canada to sign a treaty and redraw the border by a few yards? Let the pumps fly the Canadian flag, and if'll make the U.S. happy, let them build their fences and their watchtowers behind the filling station. And if the US is concerned about

Populations (was Re: [ZION] umbrella)

2002-11-14 Thread Mark Gregson
in such a meagerly populated nation as yours? They might even outnumber you! Is Canada a small country population-wise? I get bored and annoyed hearing about how small our population is. Let's get the facts straight. Populations of Some Countries (in millions)

Re: [ZION] Seminary

2002-11-14 Thread Marc A. Schindler
Thanks for this. I've always been a great fan of the CES system. Jon Spencer wrote: As you may recall, I am a stake seminary supervisor (as well as a seminary teacher and a scoutmaster). One of my teachers had to stop teaching because his work now requires him to come in at 6 AM - sort of

Re: [ZION] truman the villain

2002-11-14 Thread Steven Montgomery
At 10:51 AM 11/14/2002, Gary wrote: If it were just us against the North Koreans, I can see your point. But as Jesus told us that the wise man counts his pennies before building the house, we had to determine just what level of interdiction we were willing to make in Korea. Given that the

Re: [ZION] Magnetic Personality

2002-11-14 Thread Marc A. Schindler
Careful. Someone on LDS-Poll, who writes under a pseudonym, made a claim that there were only 100 MRIs in all of Canada. It turns out there are almost 25 in Alberta alone (pop.: 3 000 000) after I did some research. Incidentally, private insurance isn't illegal here -- I have Blue Cross, for

Re: [ZION] One Party Rule?

2002-11-14 Thread Marc A. Schindler
Pres. Harold B. Lee had an interesting aphorism. He said, It's okay to rescue your ox from the mire on Sunday. But not if you pushed him into it on Saturday evening. (he meant: prepare yourselves for the Sabbath ahead of time to the extent you can) Geoff FOWLER wrote: Scott favored us with the

[ZION] The Pohémégamook Affair continues

2002-11-14 Thread Marc A. Schindler
Michel Jalbert, the francophone jailed for doing what the INS said was perfectly legal in a 1991 letter, was released on bail yesterday, as I reported, but it turns out that before he could leave Bangor, he was arrested again by INS officials. On what grounds? For being in the country illegally,

Re: Populations (was Re: [ZION] umbrella)

2002-11-14 Thread Rick Mathis
At 12:57 AM 11/15/2002 +0800, Mark wrote: So where is Canada in the great heap of nations? There are 235 countries, more or less - it gets tricky in some cases. 35.) Canada 31 Wow! That's almost as many people as California! Rick Mathis

Re: [ZION] Truman the Villain

2002-11-14 Thread Dan R Allen
No battle plan ever survives first contact with the enemy. We went into Korea with a limited plan; do not allow the Communists to take over Korea. John: And that is the whole problem. Nations have no business going to war with a limited plan. Do you think that either the North Koreans or

Re: [ZION] Hardwired for God?

2002-11-14 Thread Steven Montgomery
Mazzaroth. Job 38:32. -- Steven Montgomery At 12:11 PM 11/14/2002, Marc wrote: Actually ancients did not make a distinction between astrology and astronomy as we do -- the prohibition against astrology is being read back into the OT, which is anachronistic. Zodiac mosaics have been found on

[ZION] Those efficient Germans, they never lose a pfennig...

2002-11-14 Thread Marc A. Schindler
From Social Studies in this morning's Grip and Peel: This month, dozens of suspected criminals in Germany found out that their telephones were being tapped by security services when a software glitch caused them to be billed for the eavesdropping. Eefstroffing? But I just got the roof fixed last

[ZION] new book from FARMS

2002-11-14 Thread Marc A. Schindler
Posted from another list with permission of Daniel C. Peterson: Daniel C. Peterson wrote: It has been a banner week for the Publications Department at FARMS. Not only did Echoes and Evidences come off the press on Monday but, today, the first volume in the new Eastern Christian Texts series

RE: [ZION] Populations (was Re: umbrella)

2002-11-14 Thread Jim Cobabe
Rick Mathis wrote: --- Wow! That's almost as many people as California! --- Yah. Canada can't accomodate as many as Califoria. Not enough freeways to park them on. --- Mij Ebaboc // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please

Re: [ZION] answer to life, and thanks for all the fish

2002-11-14 Thread Marc A. Schindler
Gary Smith wrote: I didn't declare all the universe as wrong, only parts of it. And those parts of the restaurant that periodically disappear. Annoyingly, it's often the kitchen. That's how French haute cuisine was invented. I'm not making this up... And as for the hubris, I apologize, I

[ZION] Anachronistic God?

2002-11-14 Thread Jim Cobabe
This is probably anachronistic too, I suppose. (Abraham 1:31.) 31 But the records of the fathers, even the patriarchs, concerning the right of Priesthood, the Lord my God preserved in mine own hands; therefore a knowledge of the beginning of the creation, and also of the planets, and of

RE: [ZION] Hardwired for God?

2002-11-14 Thread Jim Cobabe
Marc A. Schindler wrote: --- Actually ancients did not make a distinction between astrology and astronomy as we do -- the prohibition against astrology is being read back into the OT, which is anachronistic. Zodiac mosaics have been found on the floors of 1st century BC synagogues in

Re: [ZION] Coffee beans

2002-11-14 Thread Paul Osborne
The doctor told him he could either pay a dollar per caffeine pill or drink a cup of coffee every day. So at breakfast, he would say it was time to take his medicine, then drink a cup of coffee. Since it was prescribed, it wasn't breaking the WoW. Cool story. I agree. What's the name of the

Re: [ZION] Coffee beans

2002-11-14 Thread John W. Redelfs
After much pondering, Paul Osborne favored us with: The doctor told him he could either pay a dollar per caffeine pill or drink a cup of coffee every day. So at breakfast, he would say it was time to take his medicine, then drink a cup of coffee. Since it was prescribed, it wasn't breaking the

Re: [ZION] China

2002-11-14 Thread John W. Redelfs
After much pondering, Marc A. Schindler favored us with: China used to supply technology to India, but India's now far more advanced than China. They have never supplied anything to Pakistan as far as I'm aware, who was the US client in the region during the Cold War. China also has some major

[ZION] Truman the Villain

2002-11-14 Thread John W. Redelfs
After much pondering, Gary Smith favored us with: Would you say that the Nephites and Capt Moroni should then have trudged into Lamanite territory and totally obliterated the enemy? Or was their defensive war a villanous thing to do? This sounds totally opposite what you have been saying

Re: [ZION] China

2002-11-14 Thread John W. Redelfs
After much pondering, Gary Smith favored us with: China doesn't like India, so it hasn't done anything for them. However, they have helped fund N Korea and Pakistan efforts. I read in one of my right-wing sources that China provided Pakistan with complete nuclear delivery systems in violation

Re: [ZION] Truman the villain

2002-11-14 Thread John W. Redelfs
After much pondering, Gary Smith favored us with: Actually, no. We had a treaty, signed by Congress, stating we would defend Korea from any invasions. Congress also ratified our working with the UN on fighting the war. So, it was done under the okay of our Constitution. Sorry, in the USA

Re: [ZION] truman the villain

2002-11-14 Thread John W. Redelfs
After much pondering, Steven Montgomery favored us with: Were it not for economic and technical assistance given to the Soviet Union and Red China by the United States the North Koreans would never have invaded the South. They wouldn't have been in a position to do so. In fact, a good position

Re: [ZION] The Pohémégamook Affair continues

2002-11-14 Thread John W. Redelfs
After much pondering, Marc A. Schindler favored us with: Never mind an obscure logger from a town no one's ever heard of before (even in Quebec) -- just think of what this could mean if your new Homeland Security ministry acts this way towards US citizens. Yeah, okay, I'm scare-mongering, but so

Re: [ZION] Truman the Villain

2002-11-14 Thread John W. Redelfs
After much pondering, Dan R Allen favored us with: The negative impacts were the complete loss of an entire generation of young men vs. a relative handful, significant economic hardship for the people that remained home, and the very real probability that Russia might drop a nuke on American

Re: [ZION] Truman the Villain

2002-11-14 Thread John W. Redelfs
After much pondering, Dan R Allen favored us with: It was. The Korean war was basically a civil war. The North Koreans already controlled part of Korean; hence their distinction as 'North' Koreans. Our scope was limited to ensuring that they did not overthrow the government, and thus control all

Re: [ZION] truman the villain

2002-11-14 Thread John W. Redelfs
After much pondering, Marc A. Schindler favored us with: You mean Congress isn't doing its duty if it isn't always declaring war on someone? No wonder they want to invade Canuckistan now -- there are no other rogue states left. Congress has no duty to declare war. It just has a constitutional

Re: [ZION] truman the villain

2002-11-14 Thread Steven Montgomery
At 05:42 PM 11/14/2002, you wrote: After much pondering, Steven Montgomery favored us with: Were it not for economic and technical assistance given to the Soviet Union and Red China by the United States the North Koreans would never have invaded the South. They wouldn't have been in a position

Re: Populations (was Re: [ZION] umbrella)

2002-11-14 Thread John W. Redelfs
After much pondering, Mark Gregson favored us with: Oh, and as an interesting side note, proven oil reserves have increased over the past decade. In other words, the world continues to use oil at a phenomenal rate (75 million barrels per day = about 28 billion barrels per year) and yet the

Re: Populations (was Re: [ZION] umbrella)

2002-11-14 Thread Steven Montgomery
At 06:16 PM 11/14/2002, you wrote: After much pondering, Mark Gregson favored us with: Oh, and as an interesting side note, proven oil reserves have increased over the past decade. In other words, the world continues to use oil at a phenomenal rate (75 million barrels per day = about 28

[ZION] 7 Nukes in US Cities

2002-11-14 Thread John W. Redelfs
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Front_Page/DK15Aa01.html Seven Nukes in US Cities al-Qaedo Warns THE ROVING EYE Apocalypse Now, or Alottanukes Soon By Pepe Escobar At a time when a tape handed over to the Qatar-based Al-Jazeera television station has received widespread expose for its purported

Re: [ZION] Quebec man detained for buying gas in Maine

2002-11-14 Thread Marc A. Schindler
Its owners live in Canada, so you raise a very good question about taxation, and I'm not sure what the answer is. Sandy and Melinda Rabinowitz wrote: My goodness. How difficult would it be for the US and Canada to sign a treaty and redraw the border by a few yards? Let the pumps fly the

Re: [ZION] China

2002-11-14 Thread Marc A. Schindler
I had to ask my co-host for the name of the vice-governor of Heilongjiang and he responded late this afternoon: the visit was just before Labout Day 2000 and there were four Chinese, plus the vice-consul from Calgary. Madame Ma Shujie, Vice Governor, Government of Heilongjiang (responsible for

Re: [ZION] Hardwired for God?

2002-11-14 Thread Marc A. Schindler
Very good! You'll have to start looking for a job at the base you'll be in Moose Jaw so long Steven Montgomery wrote: Mazzaroth. Job 38:32. -- Steven Montgomery At 12:11 PM 11/14/2002, Marc wrote: Actually ancients did not make a distinction between astrology and astronomy as we do

Re: [ZION] Hardwired for God?

2002-11-14 Thread Marc A. Schindler
You are right and I am wrong (except on one minor point)-- on re-reading it, I see he bases his calculation on the Julian calendar, not the Gregorian calendar, which is what I assumed (since his conclusions are expressed in terms of the Gregorian calendar.: Here's a link that explains this in

Re: [ZION] China

2002-11-14 Thread Marc A. Schindler
I'm talking about two different points in time. For the past 2-3 decades China and India have not been particularly friendly -- China and Pakistan were. But there was a time when China provided technology to India. I remember that they also provided aid to India after the great Gujarat earthquake

Re: [ZION] Hardwired for God?

2002-11-14 Thread Marc A. Schindler
Jim Cobabe wrote: Marc A. Schindler wrote: --- Actually ancients did not make a distinction between astrology and astronomy as we do -- the prohibition against astrology is being read back into the OT, which is anachronistic. Zodiac mosaics have been found on the floors of 1st

[ZION] Big Mac Indes

2002-11-14 Thread Marc A. Schindler
No, I'm not trying to report to McDonaldland HQ, but am referring to the Big Mac Index published periodically in The Economist. I thought this might appeal to the economics statistician amongst you. This started out one day some years ago when the boys on St. James's Street were feeling alittle