RE: [ZION] Science dissonance

2002-11-22 Thread Jim Cobabe
Adaptation that can be properly characterized as mimicry in plants is indicative of some mechanism or force that cannot be accounted for within the current domain of evolutionary philosophy. My belief is that the science of evolution cannot accomodate or explain the gradual development of

Re: [ZION] Something else to ponder

2002-11-22 Thread Paul Osborne
Jim, I just read your post to my wife and she told me to tell you that you are her hero and she has a crush on you now! She studies mental illness very seriously. What an excellent post! Paul O On Thu, 21 Nov 2002 18:58:46 + Jim Cobabe [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: My regular diatribe on

RE: [ZION] No Redelfs Citings?

2002-11-22 Thread Elmer L. Fairbank
At 20:45 11/21/2002 +, M Larry wrote: No Redelfs Citings? That's a good thing, actually. First, we wouldn't expect our fine upstanding BLT to be cited by anyone as he cruises northward on his whirlwind international tour. A citation would certainly be an indication of a lack of moderation

Re: [ZION] Something else to ponder

2002-11-22 Thread Paul Osborne
It was brought up in a larger discussion about the number of people in the ward suffering from depression, and the church's change to being more supportive of people using drugs to overcome it. Yep. I'm a big goof and shoot my mouth off all the time and tell people about my problems to members

Re: [ZION] Something else to ponder

2002-11-22 Thread Stacy Smith
Add to this mess people whose families are controlling and a society that does not care about that and you have a recipe for psychological anxiety-producing events of such a magnitude we haven't seen in past ages. Stacy. At 06:42 AM 11/22/2002 -0600, you wrote: It was brought up in a larger

RE: [ZION] No Redelfs Citings?

2002-11-22 Thread Stacy Smith
In this country we have freedom to literally go anywhere as far as the government is concerned. I have to make that caveat. There are some others who would still limit our freedom. Stacy. At 07:34 AM 11/22/2002 -0500, you wrote: At 20:45 11/21/2002 +, M Larry wrote: No Redelfs Citings?

RE: [ZION] Science dissonance

2002-11-22 Thread Stacy Smith
Okay, now I'm afraid what I have to say could be considered totally whacko, revolutionary and grounds for me to be committed to a psychiatric institution, but here goes. Within certain parameters, and even outside them if you know what to do, I believe firmly that we can tell our bodies to do

Re: [ZION] More tales of friendly fire

2002-11-22 Thread Stacy Smith
You know what never made sense to me? Why would the Lamanites mark themselves? I'm sure the Taliban never marked themselves up to be identified. Stacy. At 09:19 PM 11/21/2002 -0600, you wrote: At 10:48 AM 11/21/02, Marc A. Schindler wrote: Several JTF2 units have been rotated out of

RE: [ZION] Something else to ponder

2002-11-22 Thread Stacy Smith
Well, how many of them are diagnosed with true ADHD? Stacy. At 03:01 PM 11/21/2002 -0700, you wrote: Dan R Allen wrote: --- This very subject came up in a meeting I attended recently, and a statistic was thrown out that I found rather shocking: 40% of missionaries from North America are

Re: [ZION] Something else to ponder

2002-11-22 Thread Stacy Smith
Unfortunately, I cannot use today's type drugs. They cause severe itching. I have had to resort to 20-year-old discovered medicines. Stacy. At 12:09 PM 11/21/2002 -0700, you wrote: Gary: The Church's official position is that we should use some caution with medications for mental

Re: [ZION] Does America need to be destroyed

2002-11-22 Thread Stacy Smith
I ran across that passage in Alma recently and marveled. I thought to myself, Why should this be, as the Taliban aren't known to have marked themselves, right? At any rate, I was somewhat awed and wondered about the saying. I think I am storing up things to ponder in my heart. Stacy. At

RE: [ZION] Something else to ponder

2002-11-22 Thread Stacy Smith
My first observation still stands. :Even though we feel we need some of these chemicals, does it limit personal revelation? I wasn't trying to ridicule, only trying to figure out whether or not these things would limit our ability to get personal revelation. Stacy. At 06:58 PM 11/21/2002

Re: [ZION] End Times and How On Earth To Explain This To A Nonmember?

2002-11-22 Thread Stacy Smith
I would like to start by laying a foundation to support our view that this is a modern invention, the Scottish concept of rapture, I mean. How do I go about this? I believe it is only by doing this that I can lend any credence to our views that a person not inclined to believe in modern-day

Re: [ZION] End Times and HOw on earth to explain to a nonmember?

2002-11-22 Thread Stacy Smith
It's my understanding that it is the belief of those who believe in the rapture theory do not believe the transformation will take place years before Christ's coming but in fact will take place at Christ's coming. I used to be a believer in this rapture theory myself, as I used to be a

[ZION] My current plans

2002-11-22 Thread Gary Smith
My current plans are to move to Indianapolis. There just seems to be a better job market there than in SLC, and Ramona's family is there. We'll move there in early January. So if anyone lives in that area, you can help me find work! In the meantime, I'll be in SLC from 12-18 Dec, so if any of you

Re: [ZION] Coffee, tea or eternity?

2002-11-22 Thread Stacy Smith
I have endeavored to eat raw vegetables but find they really don't agree with me. What am I supposed to do if my family absolutely insists I eat them? It is questions of this nature that trouble me. Stacy. At 10:00 AM 11/21/2002 -0600, you wrote: The Lord tells us he doesn't/shouldn't have

Re: [ZION] More tales of friendly fire

2002-11-22 Thread Stacy Smith
Frighten their enemies? If anything, it seems to me this would embolden their enemies. After all, if one wants to shout Here I am, it would seem to me the logical thing would be to show themselves. If, on the other hand, one wants one's identity to be hidden to confuse the enemy, the smart

[ZION] No Redelfs Citing?

2002-11-22 Thread Gary Smith
Are you saying I'm not a list moderator? Or just that I'm temporarily out of moderation? Why, them's fighting words where I come from. That's it! Salamis at 10 paces! The only difference between JWR and me, is I'm not benevolent K'aya K'ama, Gerald/gary Smithgszion1 @juno.com

[ZION] Coffee, Tea or Eternity?

2002-11-22 Thread Gary Smith
Hey, no fair guessing how I do this! In reality, I have no true thoughts of my own. I just reach out over the ether and read others' thoughts on the topic. All I do well is reconfigure the thought into something coherent. So, we can thank Val for that wonderful treatise on God not commanding in

Re: [ZION] Something else to ponder

2002-11-22 Thread Paul Osborne
My first observation still stands. :Even though we feel we need some of these chemicals, does it limit personal revelation? I wasn't trying to ridicule, only trying to figure out whether or not these things would limit our ability to get personal revelation. Personal revelation without

Re: [ZION] Coffee, tea or eternity?

2002-11-22 Thread Paul Osborne
I have endeavored to eat raw vegetables but find they really don't agree with me. What am I supposed to do if my family absolutely insists I eat them? It is questions of this nature that trouble me. Get a vegetable steamer and lightly steam them. Steamed vegetables are totally yummy! Use a

Re: [ZION] No Redelfs Citing?

2002-11-22 Thread Elmer L. Fairbank
At 12:12 11/22/2002 -0600, Gary wrote: Are you saying I'm not a list moderator? Or just that I'm temporarily out of moderation? Why, them's fighting words where I come from. That's it! Salamis at 10 paces! Hah, right between the eyes with an overripe cherry tomato! Till (Gary started it)

Re: [ZION] Coffee, tea or eternity?

2002-11-22 Thread Stacy Smith
The butter may be the only thing that saves them from complete extinction from my diet. I can't really stand the taste and they are hard going down my esophagus. Stacy. At 12:51 PM 11/22/2002 -0600, you wrote: I have endeavored to eat raw vegetables but find they really don't agree with me.

Re: [ZION] Coffee, tea or eternity?

2002-11-22 Thread Stacy Smith
Suppose I never learn to like them? Can I still get into the celestial kingdom without liking them? Stacy. At 11:35 AM 11/22/2002 -0700, you wrote: Stacy wrote: I have endeavored to eat raw vegetables but find they really don't agree with me. What am I supposed to do if my family absolutely

Re: [ZION] Coffee, tea or eternity?

2002-11-22 Thread Geoff FOWLER
Stacy, in all seriousness, asked: Suppose I never learn to like them? Can I still get into the celestial kingdom without liking them? You'll like them. It's all a matter of faith - first you EAT, and then you'll LIKE. :) I didn't think liking (or eating) vegetables was a requirement for the

RE: [ZION] Coffee, tea or eternity?

2002-11-22 Thread Stephen Beecroft
-Paul- PS. Hi Jack! Tut, tut. We don't make such overt terroristic threats on this list. A Pauled, Stephen // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html ///

Re: [ZION] My current plans

2002-11-22 Thread Valerie Nielsen Williams
Yee Ha! Gary's movin' to my neck of the woods!! OK, so he'll be a couple hours south, but what the hey. I don't know where you plan on relocating to, but north of Indy is Noblesville and Zionsville--both very nice areas. Lebanon is farther north west and is good for the small town feel close

Re: [ZION] Something else to ponder

2002-11-22 Thread Dan R Allen
Stacy: Add to this mess people whose families are controlling and a society that does not care about that and you have a recipe for psychological anxiety-producing events of such a magnitude we haven't seen in past ages. Dan: Right. So what can the church do to help individuals and families

RE: [ZION] Something else to ponder

2002-11-22 Thread Dan R Allen
Stacy: Well, how many of them are diagnosed with true ADHD? Dan: I think that is part of the issue. Without going to the expense of sending every missionary so diagnosed to a recognized specialist, the church needs to accept the decision of the missionary's family doctor. But how was that

[ZION] Does America need to be destroyed

2002-11-22 Thread Gary Smith
The Taliban/Al Qaeda mark themselves in a different manner, because their customs are different. They show their beliefs through covering their women and keeping them locked up. That is a mark one can see, just by observing their lifestyles. They also wear the clothing (turban, etc) of the larger

[ZION] No Redelfs citing?

2002-11-22 Thread Gary Smith
Aaaa. So it starts (he said as he wiped his face off with a piece of whole wheat bread). Since it is my list (and John isn't around to regulate the living room), I not only get to start it, but I'll try and finish it, also. Gary pushes a button, and suddenly a cream pie drops from the

[ZION] End Times and the Rapture

2002-11-22 Thread Gary Smith
Here's an article by Gary North, a non-LDS Christian, who explains the rapture and why it isn't Biblical. His articles are available at lewrockwell.com and www.freebooks.com article Left Behind Culturally by Gary North I have just previewed a videotape of a new movie, which will be released on

Re: [ZION] No Redelfs Citing?

2002-11-22 Thread Dan R Allen
Gary: Are you saying I'm not a list moderator? Or just that I'm temporarily out of moderation? Why, them's fighting words where I come from. That's it! Salamis at 10 paces! Dan: http://www.lostandfoundcomic.com/d/20021115.html So which are you Gary, Max (the big one), or Peanut? 8^D The only

Re: [ZION] Does America need to be destroyed

2002-11-22 Thread Stacy Smith
My only point: Is there any room for camouflage in war? It would seem more natural. Stacy. At 05:03 PM 11/22/2002 -0600, you wrote: The Taliban/Al Qaeda mark themselves in a different manner, because their customs are different. They show their beliefs through covering their women and

Re: [ZION] Something else to ponder

2002-11-22 Thread Stacy Smith
There should definitely be concern, and I don't think enough is being done. I think part of the problem comes because not enough steps are being taken to find out when family domination becomes unrighteous. Stacy. At 03:57 PM 11/22/2002 -0700, you wrote: Stacy: Add to this mess people

Re: [ZION] Something else to ponder

2002-11-22 Thread Jon Spencer
Let's face it - there are bigots of all kinds in the world. As you point out, mental illness is often a physical deficiency that affects the mechanisms of the brain. My mother was mentally ill most of her life, and we suffered greatly for it. Near her death (heart failure resulting from an

Re: [ZION] Science dissonance

2002-11-22 Thread Jon Spencer
No. It is known as survival of the FIT - a very big difference. It is not just the fittest that survive. It is those who meet or exceed the minimum requirements. The fittest against one threat may not be able to survive the next threat, whereas the barely able to survive the first threat may be

RE: [ZION] No Redelfs Citing?

2002-11-22 Thread larry . jackson
Gary Smith: Are you saying I'm not a list moderator? Or just that I'm temporarily out of moderation? Why, them's fighting words where I come from. That's it! Salamis at 10 paces! The only difference between JWR and me, is I'm not benevolent ___ Oops. Sorry, Gary. I forgot