On Saturday, November 30, 2002, at 09:44 PM, Jim Cobabe wrote:
Saturday, November 30, 2002
BY PATTY HENETZ
THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
A graduate student at the University of Washington says he likely
will be excommunicated next week for articles he has written
questioning
the validity of
John, our BLT said (but without so many sideways carrots as appear in
this reply - but that's because I can't get Zion to appear in my e-mail
box and have to use this clunky reply system on Topica. Rant, rave. Oh
- where was I?):
I agree that many members of the Church are not true
Chet wrote:
John, our BLT said (but without so many sideways carrots as appear in
this reply - but that's because I can't get Zion to appear in my e-mail
box and have to use this clunky reply system on Topica. Rant, rave. Oh
- where was I?)
Happily, it appears that them there sideways
But this is a confrontational definition of Christianity. Of course, the
Book of Mormon says that there are only two churches - the Church of the
Lamb of God and the Church of Satan, of the Whore of the world. However,
even given that this is true (and it most certainly is), those who live the
Jim Cobabe:
Saturday, November 30, 2002
BY PATTY HENETZ
THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
A graduate student at the University of Washington says
he likely will be excommunicated next week for articles he
has written questioning the validity of the Book of Mormon.
Harold Stuart:
I've actually read this
Perhaps this might help. Richley Crapo is an LDS anthropologist at Utah State
(Logan). This is forwarded from Scripture-L with his permission:
My initial reference is from information provided to me by Lou Midgley at BYU, and
I also have his permission to quote him on Murphy's lack of
Just a couple more things...
Our intrepid Signaturus writes:
There were no Lamanites prior to c. 1828
This cannot be shown from his data. As I said in my last post, he has
no idea what the Lamanite genome looks like. He is only guessing. It
is not likely to be what he thinks it is.
Oh. Should have added one more minor thing. BoMor is a contraction preferred by
Brent Metcalfe, who edited the book in which this paper appeared, and who likewise
does not believe in the historicity of the Book of Mormon -- Metcalfe was exxed I
think sometime after the infamous September Six. No
At 07:18 PM 12/1/02 -0700, Marc A. Schindler wrote:
Oh. Should have added one more minor thing. BoMor is a contraction
preferred by
Brent Metcalfe, who edited the book in which this paper appeared, and who
likewise
does not believe in the historicity of the Book of Mormon -- Metcalfe was
exxed
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Is there a link to the AP article (or others) or to the paper
itself?
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http://www.sltrib.com/2002/nov/11302002/saturday/7024.htm
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This science study is only a minor skirmish, but a significant portent
of things to come, nonetheless. As apologists for politically correct
humanist ideals grow more agressive and dogmatic, there will be
increasing tension between the secular and religious.
In Salt Lake City, a troublesome
In Germany we used to refer to attempts to place Books of Mormons (usually in
small Pensionen or inns) as buming, which is Missionary German. It's
pronounced booming and comes from BuM (das Buch Mormon), pronounced boom but
with a relatively short duration oo. When you dangle a child on your knee
A quote from Louis Midgley regarding those who question the Book of
Mormon historicity--Sterling McMurrin, former philosophy prof at the
University of Utah, typifies this crowd, and was the poster child of
many of the current followers of the dissident camp.
Revisionist History—The Great
You really want me to respond to this? Why not just own up to the fact that you
made a few slips and let it go? We all make errors. This is a discussion group,
not a history exam, for crying out loud.
Don't trip over your own words even more than you already have, iow. OTOH, if, as
I've come to
After much pondering, Jon Spencer favored us with:
If someone (a) takes on the name of Christ, and (b) keeps His commandments
which he has given them, then that person IMVHO is a true Christian.
The first thing a person must do to qualify as a true Christian is to
believe in him. Then he must
Jim Cobabe wrote:
Not really anything new here. Just more evil detractors continuing the
attempt to dilute and de-emphasise sacred doctrines of the Church, so
that it becomes indistinguishable from other corrupt sects. It is
Not to disagree with you in principle, but just to pick a nit:
Thanks for digging this up. Midgley does not think much of the new historians, and
has taken Murphy to task for his paper. If you read the paper, you'll see that he
refers to papers Midgley wrote about the Church in New Zealand, but Midgley has
told me he confronted Murphy about twisting the
I think what John's trying to say, if I may be so presumptuous, is that the
principle is clear. It is the judgement at the individual level that we are
cautioned about. I believe my grandmother, who passed away in April at 96 to have
been one of the most Christian people I ever knew, yet she never
To add to this perspective, how many people who claim to be true Christians:
1. Visit the sick.
2. Visit people in prison.
3. When they have a feast they invite the halt, lame and the blind.
Stacy.
At 05:56 AM 12/02/2002 -0900, you wrote:
After much pondering, Jon Spencer favored us with:
Wouldn't this also mean confession of sin and serious sin where
committed? Doesn't that person have an obligation to discuss this with the
presiding authority before baptism? If he doesn't, shouldn't he be suspect?
Stacy.
At 11:05 AM 11/30/2002 -0800, you wrote:
As I have been reading this
If we only go by that definition, then those living up to the only light
they know and following Christ all the way to the best of their ability
cannot be considered Christians. I think I'd have a problem with
that. Can they go to the celestial kingdom? Maybe, in some cases. Can
they
How do I decrease my sensitivity to cold?
Stacy.
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