At 10:56 1/23/2003 -0900, BLT wrote:
Fundamental principle: Self-defense is OK. Everything else is unlawful.
1) We defend ourselves even if it means shedding blood.
2) We never give offense.
3) We never fight except to preserve our lives.
4) We only fight when God commands us to fight.
I
John, et al, - as you can see I have tried to be more complete, in my
answers than perhaps you acknowledge. In fact I have made some
modifications to your list of understanding. Read the following from a
previous post and then my comments at the end of this post. I would be
interested in where
You've missed some important questions:
Who has used these weapons against innocent peoples? Who has used these
weapons on their own peoples? Who is more likely to sell these weapons to
terrorists? Who has shown more restraint on using these weapons?
We could ask about the days of Captain
I see Captain Moroni also living in such a time. He was fighting a
corrupt government, but his cause was still just. You'll note that
Pahoran was kicked out of power for a time, but the government was
recovered (though never quite the same afteward). There's a good
possibility that some corruption
Well, I hope we don't have to bomb Iraq. I hope we can get Saddam out of
there without having to injure a single Iraqi individual, or risk our own
troops.
K'aya K'ama,
Gerald (Gary) Smith
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Gary favored us with:
Are the Republican House and Senate
not right now discussing issues to stop
charter-prohibited subject?
They may be talking about it, but unless something is actually done,
and laws are passed and enforced, then it doesn't make the world any
safer for the innocents.
Some time ago on this very list (probably its incarnation on zilker.net
or some other pre-Topica server), a rather heated discussion -- imagine
that! -- arose regarding, of all topics, God's love. Some of us claimed
that the scriptures clearly teach that God's love is conditional, given
to
Stephen,
Great post! According to the prophets, then it appears that there are
actually two types of love:
1. Divine love
2. Unconditional love
They are not one and the same.
However, it is true that our Heavenly Father has and exercises both,
and that we are commanded to do likewise.
I have been waiting to hear these kinds of sentiments for a long
time! Bravo!!!
Stacy.
At 04:32 PM 01/24/2003 +, you wrote:
Some time ago on this very list (probably its incarnation on zilker.net
or some other pre-Topica server), a rather heated discussion -- imagine
that! -- arose
-Geoff-
Great post! According to the prophets, then it appears that there
are actually two types of love:
1. Divine love
2. Unconditional love
They are not one and the same. However, it is true that our
Heavenly Father has and exercises both, and that we are
commanded to do likewise. Would
Can anyone out there in Utah help me out? I renewed our Ensign
subscription a little too late it seems, and we'll be missing the February
issues of the Ensign and Friend. I will be happy to send a check to cover
the cost of the single issues of both magazines and postage if someone
would be
Stephen,
I guess in order to clear up the semantics issue, we would need to turn
to the scriptures and words of the prophets and determine how / when
they use the term unconditional love. I had always thought that the
term meant we were to love and forgive our fellowmen, no matter what
they have
-Geoff-
I guess in order to clear up the semantics issue, we would need
to turn to the scriptures and words of the prophets and
determine how / when they use the term unconditional love.
Agreed. I'm quite sure you'll find the term absent from scripture.
However, as you note, other (and recent
But Paul, come on now, be honest. how do you REALLY feel?
Noj
Paul Osborne wrote:
Gee-wizz, John. I thought we weren't suppose to talk about Iraq? Remember
the last flame war we had? Well, since we are about to go at it again I
will only make one little itty bitty comment which is that I
I concur, but we have to do more than get Saddam out of their. We have to
have a different form of government, not another dictator, even one who was
on our side.
Jon
Gerald Smith wrote:
Well, I hope we don't have to bomb Iraq. I hope we can get Saddam out of
there without having to injure a
Divine love is perfect, infinite, enduring, and universal. The full
flower of divine love and our greatest blessings from that love are
conditional -- predicated upon our obedience to eternal law.
Stephen, this statement seems to negate your earlier idea that love is
conditional. It seems to me
I read this article last night. Wasn't it wonderful?! If you haven't yet
read it, get off this silly list and go read it right now.
Jon
- Original Message -
From: Stephen Beecroft [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, January 24, 2003 11:32 AM
Subject: [ZION]
Have youse guys read the article?
Jon
- Original Message -
From: George Cobabe [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, January 24, 2003 6:38 PM
Subject: Re: [ZION] Conditional divine love
Divine love is perfect, infinite, enduring, and universal. The full
flower of
The old argument seems to be flaming again. What about the passage in the
Bible that says, Esau have I hated. Even if it means, loved less,
isn't that conditional?
Stacy.
At 07:13 PM 01/24/2003 -0500, you wrote:
Have youse guys read the article?
Jon
- Original Message -
From:
-Elder Nelson-
Divine love is perfect, infinite, enduring, and universal. The
full flower of divine love and our greatest blessings from that
love are conditional -- predicated upon our obedience to eternal
law.
-George-
Stephen, this statement seems to negate your earlier idea that
love is
I can't wait to read the article. I can't believe the guy agrees with me
on this one.
Stacy.
At 11:09 PM 01/24/2003 +, you wrote:
-Geoff-
I guess in order to clear up the semantics issue, we would need
to turn to the scriptures and words of the prophets and
determine how / when they
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