RE: [ZION] Temple Defilement

2003-08-22 Thread mormonyoyoman
This is what happened in Manti, as we were told by some Manti folks. Most of the time, entering the temple unworthily is considered significantly different from defiling the temple (a premeditated act which leaves physical evidence). Entering the temple unworthily defiles the person, not the

RE: [ZION] Temple Defilement

2003-08-22 Thread hkpage
A bunch of years ago - late 1980's iirc - a man with an expired temple recommend (he had been ex'd, I think) forced his way into the D.C. Temple with a gun and held a couple of temple workers hostage for a few hours. He eventually surrendered and the story made the news. The temple was closed

Re: Re: [ZION] Temple Defilement

2003-08-22 Thread Stacy Smith
I always try to think about my personal situation. I was merely curious about the environs and how it would be handled. Stacy. At 04:26 AM 08/22/2003 -0600, you wrote: Well I supose it depends on what you mean by defile in regard to the temple environs. That might suggest a rededication or

[ZION] Witnessing Excommunications by Churches

2003-08-22 Thread Stacy Smith
Hi. Has anyone ever witnessed an actual excommunication of someone else by this or any other church? It seems to me that most churches refuse to do it. Why this bothers me I'm not sure, because I know that other churches don't have the authority to really matter but somehow it does. I think

Re: [ZION] Witnessing Excommunications by Churches

2003-08-22 Thread mormonyoyoman
Stacy, in a past calling I had to attend church disciplinary councils and was present for a disfellowship (not excommunication) procedure. (To make up for it, I was lucky enough to attend several church disciplinary councils wherein the person was re-communicated I guess you'd call it. Their

RE: [ZION] West Nile virus

2003-08-22 Thread Jim Cobabe
Steven Montgomery wrote: --- Hey! I was born and raised in the Uintah Basin. All kinds of relatives on both sides of my family in, around, and through such locales as Vernal, Roosevelt, Altamont, Tridell, Jensen, Maeser, etc. So, you've probably bumped into some of my relatives out

RE: [ZION] Witnessing Excommunications by Churches

2003-08-22 Thread larry . jackson
Stacy Smith: Has anyone ever witnessed an actual excommunication of someone else by this or any other church? ... Are they generally public or private affairs? ___ About 25 years worth of them in our Church, none in any other church. In ours, they are strictly confidential. If

RE: [ZION] Witnessing Excommunications by Churches

2003-08-22 Thread Stacy Smith
You imply there is a difference between disfellowshipment and excommunication. Is there any record of what was said when Oliver Cowdary was excommunicated, for instance? Stacy. At 08:42 PM 08/22/2003 -0500, you wrote: Stacy Smith: Has anyone ever witnessed an actual excommunication of

RE: [ZION] Witnessing Excommunications by Churches

2003-08-22 Thread Ronn! Blankenship
At 09:21 PM 8/22/03 -0500, Stacy Smith wrote: You imply there is a difference between disfellowshipment and excommunication. There is indeed a difference. A member who is disfellowshipped remains a member, although there are a number of things s/he is not allowed to do which a member in good