Re: [ZION] Rumour about the scriptures

2002-10-01 Thread Elmer L. Fairbank
At 06:58 10/1/2002 -0800, BLT wrote: At 07:17 AM 10/1/02 -0400 Jon Spencer favored us with: I agree, although I don't know about the wealthy part, unless your speaking in a spiritual sense. The cost of the deluxe scriptures is minor compared to what they would cost from any other source. I

Re: [ZION] Patriot Fizzles being moved into place

2002-10-01 Thread Elmer L. Fairbank
*Have you ever noticed that military nomenclature loses in the translation? We think of Desert Storm, and call our missiles Minuteman [Russian commander to his intelligence aide: Wass iss? Some kind of rice?] and the EU current jet plane is known as Tornado. When you go the other way you get

RE: [ZION] Ivory Coast - who goes?

2002-10-02 Thread Elmer L. Fairbank
At 14:39 10/1/2002 -0800, BLT wrote: At 09:12 PM 10/1/02 + Larry Jackson favored us with: I think in this case it might be more that the US is in the habit of protecting its citizens wherever they are in the world, and some young citizens were in danger. So the US went to the Ivory Coast

Re: [ZION] Ways food storage could be activated

2002-10-02 Thread Elmer L. Fairbank
At 19:02 10/1/2002 -0800, JWR wrote: Yeah, its real nice to know that you Canadians are real killers slaughtering people half way around the word. It must make you feel great. --JWR Just rogue wolves wandered from the Boreal Forest, eh? Till

Re: [ZION] Patriot Fizzles being moved into place

2002-10-02 Thread Elmer L. Fairbank
At 00:08 10/2/2002 -0400, Grampa Bill wrote: the B-70 Valkyrie, named for the Norse War Maidens. We hope it doesn't DRESS like a Valkyrie! Till / /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// ///

Re: [ZION] Tariffs and War

2002-10-02 Thread Elmer L. Fairbank
At 09:04 10/2/2002 -0800, BLT wrote: We don't even know who blew up the World Trade Center. Till thinks it was Elvis / /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html ///

Re: [ZION] Ways food storage could be activated

2002-10-02 Thread Elmer L. Fairbank
At 11:24 10/2/2002 -0600, you wrote: Oh, they have wolves in Provo, too. They stand at the bottom of the long ramp up to southern campus and hand out anti-Mormon tracts. Till thought the wolves in Provo were the RM's prowling for mates .

Re: [ZION] Tariffs and War

2002-10-02 Thread Elmer L. Fairbank
At 13:21 10/2/2002 -0600, M Marc wrote: And somebody better check the temperature in hell, because you know what? I agree with every word John's written here (although I would interpret some of the references a bit differently). And I'm supposed to be the token liberal on the list. :-) I'd

Re: [ZION] Patriot Fizzles being moved into place

2002-10-02 Thread Elmer L. Fairbank
At 13:38 10/2/2002 -0600, m mARC wrote: Chev Bel-Aire 1956 bumpers. 'nuff said. OYE! Till / /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html ///

Re: [ZION] Tariffs and War

2002-10-03 Thread Elmer L. Fairbank
At 14:30 10/2/2002 -0600, M Marc wrote: After we invade and take you over, we'll have to teach you proper English. Bunny boots are called mukluks. This *will* be on the test. Actually, on a more serious note, correct me if my understanding is off. * Bunny Boots refer to a particular arctic

Re: [ZION] Ways food storage could be activated

2002-10-03 Thread Elmer L. Fairbank
At 20:25 10/2/2002 -0800, BLT wrote: A little MYOB would go a long way to solving America's foreign policy problems. Make your own beer Till / /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// ///

Re: [ZION] Ways food storage could be activated

2002-10-03 Thread Elmer L. Fairbank
At 18:02 10/2/2002 -0600, M Marc wrote: But we're vastly outnumbered by caribou. I'm thinking that if the aliens are really smart, they'll assume that caribous are the sentient species, and we're just advanced prairie dogs. Besides, they'd be looking for Elvis, and Wawa, Ontario, is the last

Re: [ZION] Bunny Boots and Mukluks

2002-10-03 Thread Elmer L. Fairbank
At 00:35 10/3/2002 -0600, M Marc wrote: Huh, the things ya learn here. I had never heard of bunny boots and assumed Till was just referring to furry boots. Quiz is Monday! Better hit the books this weekend. 8)) Till

Re: [ZION] Niagara Falls (was: Ways food storage could be activated)

2002-10-03 Thread Elmer L. Fairbank
At 18:53 10/3/2002 +0900, Cousin Bill wrote: Wives make all the difference in the world. Boy, they sure do! Every man should have a half a dozen or so. Till / /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// ///

Re: [ZION] Ways food storage could be activated

2002-10-03 Thread Elmer L. Fairbank
At 05:16 10/3/2002 -0800, BLT wrote: Mind Your Own Business --JWR Sorry! 8)) Till the penitent / /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html ///

RE: [ZION] Ways food storage could be activated

2002-10-03 Thread Elmer L. Fairbank
At 10:06 10/3/2002 -0600, Uncle Presidente wrote: On the other hand, and it pains me to say this because no one is more to be admired than the venerable Till, but still, I have to say it... Wasn't it the Till who first introduced alcohol into the discussion? That never helps in civil discourse.

RE: [ZION] Tariffs and War

2002-10-03 Thread Elmer L. Fairbank
At 17:49 10/3/2002 +, St Stephan wrote: -ELF- Bunny Boots refer to a particular arctic boot manufactured for the US military, being white, and rated to -40o F Won't work -- the Canadians only understand Celsius temperature. Heaven only knows what -40o Farenheit is in Canuck degrees.

RE: [ZION] New National Parks

2002-10-04 Thread Elmer L. Fairbank
At 16:49 10/3/2002 -0600, Uncle Presidente wrote: They also announced, or it was said that the government would announce, that Waterton National Park (the northern contiguous sister park to Glacier National Park) will be increased in size. I was wondering if I would wake up this morning and find

Re: Wargaming (was Re: [ZION] Ways food storage could be activated)

2002-10-04 Thread Elmer L. Fairbank
At 18:33 10/3/2002 -0600, M Marc wrote: There's a real-life precedent for your scenario: Napoleon's invasion of Russia, and that was just the Priepsky Marshes that he had to navigate. Territory and weather were major causes of the Nazi failure in their attempt at invading Russia, too. Yes,

Re: [ZION] Seasons Greetings from the Great White North (wargaming)

2002-10-04 Thread Elmer L. Fairbank
At 23:28 10/4/2002 +0800, Bishop Mark wrote: Napolean started with his Grande Armee towards Russia with about 500,000 men. The 10,000 that barely survived escaped Russia in early December. So 80,000 Russian losses were not so bad, all things considered. Napolean got his just desserts.

Re: [ZION] Invading Canadian bacon

2002-10-04 Thread Elmer L. Fairbank
At 12:24 10/4/2002 -0400, Jon wrote: What we really need on this list is a Saint from Quebec. Marc, can you recruit one? Will St Jean Battiste do? Till / /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// ///

Re: [ZION] Seasons Greetings from the Great White North (wargaming)

2002-10-04 Thread Elmer L. Fairbank
At 17:50 10/4/2002 +, Scott wrote: To answer your question, no, not all of us are worshiping the money god of Babylon. Thank you my friend. I knew that. Sometimes it seems it though. When are you going to fly to Syracuse? Till

Re: [ZION] Civil Disobedience

2002-10-07 Thread Elmer L. Fairbank
At 09:43 10/6/2002 -0600, M Marc wrote: What about China's One Child policy? When a couple already has a child (or several) and the wife gets pregnant she is required to submit to having an abortion. Would you sanction Civil Disobedience (perhaps sanction is too strong a word, maybe the

Re: [ZION] Hindsight

2002-10-16 Thread Elmer L. Fairbank
At 14:57 10/15/2002 -0400, mean ol' Jon wrote: Till is tired. Does that mean he is not worthy of awards? 8)) No. You want a ward? You really want to be a Bishop? You think you're tired now Noo, n, no whine, whine Till (Where's the Tam when we really

Re: [ZION] Hindsight

2002-10-16 Thread Elmer L. Fairbank
At 15:03 10/15/2002 -0400, Jon the confused wrote: Opps! You are a Bishop now, aren't you? Well, you say you want another ward? You're wacko! Jon Till is tired. Does that mean he is not worthy of awards? 8)) No. You want a ward? You really want to be a Bishop? You think you're

Re: [ZION] The Rulers of Darkness

2002-10-16 Thread Elmer L. Fairbank
At 12:58 10/16/2002 -0500, Paul O wrote: I would not knowingly shake hands with a murderous unrepentant Gadianton, and that is *my* doctrine. Would you shake hands with a Gadianton robber? I'm very very curious to know the answer to this one. hee hee hee ;-)) Shaking of hands has some

Re: [ZION] Hindsight

2002-10-16 Thread Elmer L. Fairbank
At 01:02 10/16/2002 +0800, Bishop Mark wrote: Till is tired. Does that mean he is not worthy of awards? 8)) Now don't start that again! Two more years, my friend. I know, I know, but in a moment of weakness we succumbed to temptation .. Till

Re: [ZION] What's the point of high priests?

2002-10-23 Thread Elmer L. Fairbank
At 16:05 10/21/2002 -0500, Gary wrote: Of course, now we have to figure out what to do with all the taunting. We'll be taunting tonight on the old campground . nostalgia Till / /// ZION LIST CHARTER:

Re: [ZION] Tweaking Liechtensteiners

2002-10-23 Thread Elmer L. Fairbank
At 23:05 10/22/2002 -0500, M Marc wrote: I once had to cross three provinces in Canada to find an open restaurant! I hope one of them wasn't Ontario. You could get mighty smackin' hungry trying that one. Till /

Re: [ZION] High priests

2002-10-22 Thread Elmer L. Fairbank
At 07:59 10/21/2002 -0500, Gary wrote: And yes, we have a secret handshake that you elders know nothing about. What??? I thought that was just the special grip that we use to keep each other from falling out of chairs when we fell asleep. Till

Re: [ZION] High priests

2002-10-22 Thread Elmer L. Fairbank
At 08:48 10/22/2002 -0400, Patient noJ wrote: Till - every time we went over this handshake I tried to wake you up, but to no avail. I would have had your home teacher go over it with you, but we can only teach it in the HP group meeting. They sure were cool dreams, too. Something to do with

Re: [ZION] High priests

2002-10-22 Thread Elmer L. Fairbank
At 12:08 10/22/2002 -0600, M Marc wrote: My spouse is a Vulcan, and she's giving me the death grip. Till was Vulcanized once. To keep his brains from leaking out. Unfortunately, it was too little, too late Till who's too tired to go round and round on this, so just wheel me on

Re: [ZION] High Priests have money

2002-10-24 Thread Elmer L. Fairbank
At 21:43 10/23/2002 -0500, Gary wrote: The Brethren had comfortable lives because they earned a comfortable life. Not so sure I agree, Gary. Reference Approaching Zion Chapters 4 and 5. Not so sure earned is the correct choice of terms here. Till

Re: [ZION] High Priests have money

2002-10-24 Thread Elmer L. Fairbank
At 21:46 10/23/2002 -0500, St Paul wrote: I will admit that I used to annoyed about it in the past. Till detects that it is still unresolved But it is the Lord's church and he can do whatever he wants, so I have come to accept it. You're on the right track, though but I'm sure he had

RE: [ZION] High Priest

2002-10-24 Thread Elmer L. Fairbank
At 02:55 10/24/2002 +, St Stephen wrote: If a man who has previously served as elder's quorum president, then been released, is again called to serve, he does not need to have the keys given him. He already has them. The same applies to a former bishop who is called to serve again as bishop,

Re: [ZION] James' Ossuary

2002-10-24 Thread Elmer L. Fairbank
At 20:33 10/23/2002 -0800, BLT wrote: Maybe with satellite technology they will eventually solve the riddle of the Ark which some suppose is on Ararat to this day. Haven't they used sophisticated imaging and satellite technology to find roads and cities buried under the sands of the Arabian

Re: [ZION] The Jerusalem Temple

2002-10-24 Thread Elmer L. Fairbank
At 12:10 10/24/2002 -0500, St Paul wrote: I think we have been here before. It's a good subject. I say that the Jews can't build a temple that the Lord will accept. A temple must be built and consecrated to the Lord Jesus Christ and the Jews cannot do that. The temple in Jerusalem will be

Re: [ZION] The Jerusalem Temple

2002-10-25 Thread Elmer L. Fairbank
At 12:46 10/24/2002 -0700, Uncle Dan wrote: We might be in for a surprise here. The key, I think, is in the actual consecration of the temple. The Jews will probably build it, as a temple, but it won't actually meet the Lord's requirements until consecrated by His church. Consider that you can

RE: [ZION] High Priests

2002-10-25 Thread Elmer L. Fairbank
At 03:13 10/25/2002 +, St Stephen wrote: Perhaps you should tell Elders Maxwell, Nelson, and Hilbig about Occam's razor, so they can get their acts together. What's a razor? Till / /// ZION LIST CHARTER:

Re: [ZION] aurora borealis spotting

2002-10-30 Thread Elmer L. Fairbank
At 23:36 10/29/2002 -0700, you wrote: Okay, some people are train spotters. I'm an aurora spotter. We've had aurorae for some time now. My wife woke me up at 04:00 one morning to see a very unusual display. It was a greenish white swoosh across the entire sky, with the moon right in the middle.

RE: [ZION] The veil

2002-10-30 Thread Elmer L. Fairbank
At 00:37 10/31/2002 +0800, His Grace, Bishop Mark wrote: Of course, a truly modern version of this sonnet would be unprintable, but cleaned up it might go something like: Can love last forever? And what if it did? Nights like when Tom called to say that he couldn't come back Because nothing

Re: [ZION] Guns, Germs and Steel

2002-11-04 Thread Elmer L. Fairbank
At 13:27 11/1/2002 -0900, BLT wrote: It seems to me that an honest scholar would just stick to writing things he can authenticate using the documentary record, or at least the archaeological record. In the absence of such records the author isn't just engaging in unfounded supposition, he is

Re: [ZION] Guns, Germs and Steel

2002-11-04 Thread Elmer L. Fairbank
At 15:29 11/1/2002 -0900, BLT wrote: Was Ammon defending a flock of turkeys when he cut all those guys arms off? Till thinks that he was defending the sheep FROM flocks of turkeys! / /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please

Re: [ZION] Guns, Germs and Steel

2002-11-04 Thread Elmer L. Fairbank
At 15:53 11/1/2002 -0900, BLT wrote: The oldest secular writings, from ancient Sumer, also speak of a Great Flood. Yes, but they were obviously primitive unenlightened people, whose superstitions count for nothing in the light of scientific truth and so must be brushed away with all the other

Re: [ZION] Guns, Germs and Steel

2002-11-04 Thread Elmer L. Fairbank
At 22:01 11/1/2002 -0700, M Marc wrote (and wrote): So maybe to me I see a turdus migratoris [guess why I've always remembered *this* one!!] but my 4-year old granddaughter sees a robin and her little 2-year old friend sees a birdie. And is it the European robin or the New World robin? They're

Re: [ZION] Guns, Germs and Steel

2002-11-04 Thread Elmer L. Fairbank
At 23:13 11/1/2002 -0900, BLT wrote: Otherwise, it is just a long essay on how I look at things. Till prefers very short essays on how he looks at things. / /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// ///

Re: [ZION] Reconstructing the Clinton legacy

2002-11-04 Thread Elmer L. Fairbank
At 18:04 11/2/2002 +, Gib Mij wrote: I'm always confused by this peculir application of the term women's rights. I'd kinda like to know exactly what constitutes the analogous men's rights. The right to work, pay taxes and die. Till the helpful

Re: [ZION] scriptures are not secular?

2002-11-04 Thread Elmer L. Fairbank
At 15:23 11/3/2002 -0600, St Paul (not Minnesota) wrote: Also, maybe our whole religious experience is self induced with naturally occurring chemicals in our brains that make us wishy washy? Maybe the whole thing is a joke? Maybe we don't even really exist. Would someone pinch me please?

Re: [ZION] Guns, Germs and Steel

2002-11-04 Thread Elmer L. Fairbank
At 14:03 11/3/2002 -0900, BLT wrote: I'm just a black and white kind of guy. Yes, I noticed that about your hair, last time I saw you, John. 8)) Till / /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// ///

Re: [ZION] Guns, Germs and Steel

2002-11-04 Thread Elmer L. Fairbank
At 11:34 11/4/2002 -0700, M Marc wrote: ? I don't get it. Elmer L. Fairbank wrote: At 22:01 11/1/2002 -0700, M Marc wrote (and wrote): So maybe to me I see a turdus migratoris [guess why I've always remembered *this* one!!] but my 4-year old granddaughter sees a robin and her little 2

Re: [ZION] Guns, Germs...

2002-11-05 Thread Elmer L. Fairbank
At 20:15 11/4/2002 -0600, Super Gary wrote: These I believe are necessary to recognize truth from error, but also to help me in problem solving (which God obviously does much of). Yes, now that he has ME to deal with! Till

Re: [ZION] Guns, Germs and Steel

2002-11-05 Thread Elmer L. Fairbank
At 19:16 11/4/2002 -0700, M Marc wrote: Anyone here remember that old cartoon about the swing? There are about half a dozen ridiculous drawings of a simple swing in ridiculous configurations, which go from: what the salesman booked, what the marketeer spec'ed, what the engineer built, and so

Re: [ZION] Reconstructing the Clinton legacy

2002-11-05 Thread Elmer L. Fairbank
At 19:30 11/5/2002 +, Goodfriend Scott wrote: On Mon, 04 Nov 2002 07:39:36 -0500, Elmer L. Fairbank [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: At 18:04 11/2/2002 +, Gib Mij wrote: I'm always confused by this peculir application of the term women's rights. I'd kinda like to know exactly what constitutes

Re: [ZION] Reconstructing the Clinton legacy

2002-11-05 Thread Elmer L. Fairbank
At 20:21 11/5/2002 +, Goodfriend Scott wrote: On Tue, 05 Nov 2002 15:01:45 -0500, Elmer L. Fairbank [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: At 19:30 11/5/2002 +, Goodfriend Scott wrote: On Mon, 04 Nov 2002 07:39:36 -0500, Elmer L. Fairbank [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: At 18:04 11/2/2002 +, Gib Mij

Re: [ZION] Guns, Germs and Steel

2002-11-07 Thread Elmer L. Fairbank
At 21:54 11/6/2002 -0600, Gryy wrote: Though your text book told you about biology, you still cut into that frog in class. Why? To prove the statements in the book that a frog does have heart, lungs, etc. Each time you turn on a light switch, you do it with faith, because you have previously

[ZION] Mission Call

2002-11-07 Thread Elmer L. Fairbank
My daughter got her mission call yesterday, to Sao Paulo. She was basking in the irony. She had a terrible experience in Brasil this summer, and came back dreadfully ill and exhausted. Till / /// ZION LIST

Re: [ZION] Mission Call

2002-11-07 Thread Elmer L. Fairbank
At 08:24 11/7/2002 -0700, you wrote: Which mission in Sao Paulo, do you know? (for a map of the missions in Brazil, see: http://www.gatheringofisrael.com/atlas/latin_america/brazil/mbrazil.gif) To put things in perspective, there are 7 missions in Sao Paulo Estado alone, and only 8 in all of

Re: [ZION] Mission Call

2002-11-07 Thread Elmer L. Fairbank
At 11:39 11/7/2002 -0500, you wrote: At 08:24 11/7/2002 -0700, you wrote: Which mission in Sao Paulo, do you know? (for a map of the missions in Brazil, see: http://www.gatheringofisrael.com/atlas/latin_america/brazil/mbrazil.gif) To put things in perspective, there are 7 missions in Sao Paulo

Re: [ZION] War Against All of Islam

2002-11-11 Thread Elmer L. Fairbank
At 23:18 11/8/2002 -0800, Stacey wrote: Where do the Mexicans align themselves? Certainly not at a border crossing! Till the ever-watchful / /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// ///

Re: [ZION] Taliban in Pakistan

2002-11-11 Thread Elmer L. Fairbank
At 09:31 11/9/2002 -0700, M Marc wrote: I was in one of the classrooms at Parirenwatwa Hospital (formerly Sir Sanford Fleming Hospital) in Harare, Zimbabwe, about 7 or 8 years ago, and saw a display of what happened when a janitor picked up a small vial of caesium powder and put it in his

Re: [ZION] Taliban in Pakistan

2002-11-11 Thread Elmer L. Fairbank
At 12:45 11/9/2002 -0700, Steven wrote: The primary target was Kokura, a major munitions manufacturing center. Kokura was obscured by clouds and smoke (leftover from an earlier raid on a nearby city) so the bombadier couldn't get an exact target despite three separate passes. The secondary

Re: [ZION] War against all of Islam

2002-11-11 Thread Elmer L. Fairbank
At 17:42 11/9/2002 -0600, St Paul not Minnesota wrote: Tell me the name of just one Muslim that does not despise the Jews and wish that their nation was dissolved? Munther Unes. A very fine gentleman if ever I have met one. Till

RE: [ZION] A Whirlwind Trip South

2002-11-12 Thread Elmer L. Fairbank
At 17:47 11/11/2002 -0900, BLT wrote: Now that you are no longer working for Microsoft, do you still have the tenacious loyalty to them that you used to feel? John, Speaking of your great love for Microsoft, my daughter just sent me this link. Thought you would appreciate it, if you haven't

Re: [ZION] Truman (was Taliban in pakistan)

2002-11-12 Thread Elmer L. Fairbank
At 21:15 11/11/2002 -0600, Gary wrote: Wilford Woodruff divided the nations after WWI, including making a new nation called Yugoslavia. Whoa, I think this must be a typo. 8)) Till the getting dizzier by the minute

Re: [ZION] Hypocrisy

2002-11-12 Thread Elmer L. Fairbank
At 17:35 11/12/2002 +, Gib Mij wrote: How do we avoid hypocrisy, yet at the same time continually strive to exceed our own limits? Jesus is the only perfect example. At more reflective moments, the goal of being like him seems impossibly remote and discouraging. But you, my friend,

Re: [ZION] One party rule?

2002-11-12 Thread Elmer L. Fairbank
At 09:42 11/12/2002 -0800, Stacy wrote: I think what everyone means by socialists are the people informally who believe that the government should pay for health care for everyone regardless of income or social status, not necessarily those that belong to the Communist party or groups thereof.

Re: [ZION] One party rule?

2002-11-12 Thread Elmer L. Fairbank
At 11:42 11/12/2002 -0700, M Marc wrote: And politicians are like underwear: they need to be changed periodically. And dunked in suds and hung out to dry. (or would taken to the cleaners be better? no, that's what they do to us) Till the ever watchful

Re: [ZION] Hypocrisy

2002-11-12 Thread Elmer L. Fairbank
At 09:42 11/12/2002 -0900, BLT wrote: After much pondering, Elmer L. Fairbank favored us with: Till the not so great himself Hey, you are coming up in the world. The last time we had a humble pie eating contest, you won it, if I remember correctly. You were really groveling in the dust, I

Re: [ZION] One party rule?

2002-11-12 Thread Elmer L. Fairbank
At 11:00 11/12/2002 -0800, you wrote: In my opinion the more parties the better. YES!!! the more the merrier. Now who's bringing the cookies? the green jello Till the party animal // /// ZION LIST

Re: [ZION] A Whirlwind Trip South

2002-11-12 Thread Elmer L. Fairbank
At 12:17 11/12/2002 -0700, M Marc wrote: another aspect of this is that I lose my sense of where I am in space if I don't have enough visual or tactile clues, and don't know up from down. Often I don't realize I've even fallen until I feel the pain from the blow). Ah, my friend, come grovel

Re: [ZION] Social Mormons (was: Liberal dems unveil...)

2002-11-12 Thread Elmer L. Fairbank
At 13:23 11/12/2002 -0600, St Paul not Minnesota wrote: I don't eat meat with every meal and certainly not every day. What does sparingly mean? Till would maintain that this is really a typo and that sparringly is what is really meant. It's obvious from the view here that we are to wrestle

Re: [ZION] Social Mormons (was: Liberal dems unveil...)

2002-11-12 Thread Elmer L. Fairbank
At 11:37 11/12/2002 -0800, St Stacy wrote: Then I'm in trouble because I use lots of convenience foods because I have trouble cooking. I guess I'll have to tell the bishop that I'm working on substituting some soy products for meat dishes but I'll need to know where soy TV dinners, etc.

Re: [ZION] One party rule?

2002-11-12 Thread Elmer L. Fairbank
At 12:46 11/12/2002 -0700, M Marc wrote: This is a concept we're well acquainted with in Canada, where we separate the Head of State from Head of Government. The Head of State (the husband) is purely ceremonial and only really needed in times of crisis ;-) You mean Red was giving me bad

Re: [ZION] a whirlwind trip south

2002-11-13 Thread Elmer L. Fairbank
At 18:44 11/12/2002 -0700, M Marc wrote: Seriously -- did you guys hear about a case back east somewhere, New York state, iirc, where a tech had inadvertently left an oxygen cylinder in the room, and when the MRI was turned on, it got sucked right into the core, killing the poor patient (a

Re: [ZION] Answer to life

2002-11-13 Thread Elmer L. Fairbank
At 22:23 11/12/2002 -0700, M Marc wrote: What did you do to pretend to be an amoeba? Split in two? [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Stephen Beecroft: Naturally. It involved cutting various simple shapes out of construction paper, then deciding which shapes looked most like Canada.

Re: [ZION] Magnetic Personality

2002-11-13 Thread Elmer L. Fairbank
At 23:38 11/12/2002 -0800, St Stacy wrote: It's a tragedy these things happen. Everyone who goes into an MRI room should be trained and no unauthorized person should be allowed in. Oh, man, now I have to be TRAINED to be sick!! 8)) Till the tired

Re: [ZION] Modest attire fashion show

2002-11-13 Thread Elmer L. Fairbank
At 09:46 11/13/2002 -0700, M Marc wrote: The version of the article I read (in the Toronto paper) said that the Church members who organized this had to turn away Catholics, Jews, Moslems and conservative Protestants -- there just wasn't enough room -- but it made them realize there's a huge

RE: [ZION] Answer to life

2002-11-13 Thread Elmer L. Fairbank
At 19:10 11/13/2002 +, St Stephen wrote: Just occurred to me: 9 x 6 = 42 in base 13, and 9 x 6 = 46 in base 12. Obviously, Gary and Jon are simply off-base. Yes, but WHO'S on first? Till the everwatchful // ///

Re: [ZION] Answer to life

2002-11-13 Thread Elmer L. Fairbank
At 13:20 11/13/2002 -0700, M Marc wrote: See, I can play straight man, too. Yes, I noticed, and I greatly appreciated that. See how kewl it can be down here in the mud beneath all the important people. Till // ///

Re: [ZION] Mannequins

2002-11-14 Thread Elmer L. Fairbank
At 21:46 11/13/2002 -0600, Grryyy wrote: Would someone please tell Till's wife to keep him away from the store front windows? He's scaring the passersby... Till thinks the mannikins scares the passersby. At least they do him.

Re: [ZION] Coffee beans

2002-11-14 Thread Elmer L. Fairbank
At 06:30 11/14/2002 -0800, you wrote: At 11:32 PM 11/13/2002 -0700, Marc wrote: BTW, why didn't the doc prescribe digitalis or digoxin? Digitalis has been around since antiquity (it comes from the foxglove plant), and digoxin has been in use since at least WWII, iirc. It's usually the drug of

Re: [ZION] 7 Nukes in US Cities

2002-11-15 Thread Elmer L. Fairbank
At 16:55 11/14/2002 -0900, BLT referenced an article: http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Front_Page/DK15Aa01.html Seven Nukes in US Cities al-Qaedo Warns THE ROVING EYE Apocalypse Now, or Alottanukes Soon By Pepe Escobar Got the following when I went to check the link: Article withdrawn. This

RE: [ZION] 7 Nukes in US Cities

2002-11-15 Thread Elmer L. Fairbank
At 07:24 11/15/2002 -0900, BLT wrote: After much pondering, Larry Jackson favored us with: Alottanukes Soon is not the sort of title I would expect to see in a professional magazine or journal. It is the sort of title I would expect my friends to make up when joking around on a weekend evening.

[ZION] In the World

2002-11-18 Thread Elmer L. Fairbank
OK, Zionisti, research time. In the world but not of it or something of it's ilk. What's the source of the saying? Till the questioning // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// ///

RE: [ZION] No Redelfs Citings?

2002-11-22 Thread Elmer L. Fairbank
At 20:45 11/21/2002 +, M Larry wrote: No Redelfs Citings? That's a good thing, actually. First, we wouldn't expect our fine upstanding BLT to be cited by anyone as he cruises northward on his whirlwind international tour. A citation would certainly be an indication of a lack of moderation

Re: [ZION] No Redelfs Citing?

2002-11-22 Thread Elmer L. Fairbank
At 12:12 11/22/2002 -0600, Gary wrote: Are you saying I'm not a list moderator? Or just that I'm temporarily out of moderation? Why, them's fighting words where I come from. That's it! Salamis at 10 paces! Hah, right between the eyes with an overripe cherry tomato! Till (Gary started it)

Re: [ZION] No Redelfs citing?

2002-11-23 Thread Elmer L. Fairbank
At 17:17 11/22/2002 -0600, Grrryrryyy wrote: Aaaa. So it starts (he said as he wiped his face off with a piece of whole wheat bread). Since it is my list (and John isn't around to regulate the living room), I not only get to start it, but I'll try and finish it, also. Gary pushes a

Re: [ZION] Science dissonance

2002-11-23 Thread Elmer L. Fairbank
At 22:30 11/22/2002 -0500, St Jon wrote: No. It is known as survival of the FIT - a very big difference. It is not just the fittest that survive. It is those who meet or exceed the minimum requirements. The fittest against one threat may not be able to survive the next threat, whereas the

Re: [ZION] A question: meaning of ally

2002-11-27 Thread Elmer L. Fairbank
At 18:49 11/26/2002 -0700, M Marc wrote: But first I'd like to hear from USAmericans. Why the big deal? Till has yet to figure it out. Spoke the truth as she saw it. Can't fault a person for that. I overhear a lot of sillier things in the course of every day living. So what? Till the

Re: [ZION] Paul's dad

2002-11-27 Thread Elmer L. Fairbank
At 19:53 11/26/2002 -0800, St Stace wrote: I suggest you make arrangements to attend the temple as soon as possible. Denying yourself the blessings of the temple is not the way to face these dire events. Yes, in fact, it IS the way to face them. Till

Re: [ZION] Canada: Bush is an idiot

2002-11-27 Thread Elmer L. Fairbank
At 04:10 11/27/2002 +, Gib Mij wrote: Another article worrying about Canadian political insults. http://canada.com/national/story.asp?id=%7BAFC42C56-BB5F-457B-AEAF-5D58F21AB39C%7D; Those Canadian political officials can't seem to keep their lips buttoned. Sounds to me more like they

Re: [ZION] Can Anyone Become A Fully Qualified Member In Good Standing Afte

2002-11-27 Thread Elmer L. Fairbank
At 20:18 11/26/2002 -0800, St Stace wrote: Suppose I suspect this individual failed to disclose this information before baptism? If he is now living a good life, does any of this information need to come out? It's a standard question in the temple recommend interview, if there are any past

[ZION] The Royal flush beats all others

2002-11-27 Thread Elmer L. Fairbank
At 12:51 11/27/2002 -0400, you wrote: On Tue, 26 Nov 2002 17:57:54 -0700, Marc A. Schindler [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: I have to say, I'm not sure there are 4 Imp gals / 5 US gals in there -- it looks more like 3 Imp gals to me, but I'm just estimating. Hmm, you could always shut of the water,

[ZION] Just how can we serve?

2002-11-27 Thread Elmer L. Fairbank
Just got back from lunch and there was this half-frozen coed standing in a snow squall with all her luggage at a bus stop, sobbing her eyes out. I asked her if she was OK (duh, you have to have some kind of opener), and through a series of very pointed questions (she was too upset to offer

Re: [ZION] Just how can we serve?

2002-11-27 Thread Elmer L. Fairbank
At 11:29 11/27/2002 -0700, you wrote: Till favored us with: Should I have done more? Is there more we can do for complete strangers. Till, I think you did a terrific job. Unfortunately, in our society, genuine offers of help can be and often are misconstrued. I say pray to the Father and

Re: [ZION] Paul's dad

2002-12-02 Thread Elmer L. Fairbank
At 22:12 11/28/2002 -0500, St Jon wrote: Did I read this correctly? Did you say that denying yourself the blessings of the temple IS the way to face problems? No, you're supposed to read what I MEANT, not what I wrote. Till the getting confuseder

Re: [ZION] Saving My Head

2002-12-02 Thread Elmer L. Fairbank
At 20:47 12/2/2002 -0900, you wrote: John, I think your clock is 12 hours ahead of you. Sure messes up my sorting! Till the fussbudget // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// ///

Re: [ZION] True Christians

2002-12-05 Thread Elmer L. Fairbank
At 08:37 12/5/2002 -0900, BLT scares us all: --- Mark Gregson --- Joseph Smith had the vision in 1836 in the Kirtland temple. In the vision he saw his father, mother and Alvin in the celestial kingdom. However, his father and mother were still alive when Joseph Smith had the vision. Therefore,

Re: [ZION] True Christians

2002-12-05 Thread Elmer L. Fairbank
At 09:49 12/5/2002 -0900, BLT wondered : For years we referred to those outside the Church as gentiles. Then that word wasn't good enough, so we stated saying nonmember. Even that term is considered too politically incorrect. So what do we call them today? Lost Till the ever helpful

Re: [ZION] Teaching Correct Principle

2002-12-05 Thread Elmer L. Fairbank
At 09:13 12/5/2002 -0900, BLT wrote: Yet almost every true idea, principle, philosophy or behavior indicts someone. They take it personal. They falsely assume that you are targeting them or a loved one when all you are trying to do is teach the correct principle. I wish others could do as

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