[ZION] Important questions

2003-01-24 Thread Gerald Smith
You've missed some important questions: Who has used these weapons against innocent peoples? Who has used these weapons on their own peoples? Who is more likely to sell these weapons to terrorists? Who has shown more restraint on using these weapons? We could ask about the days of Captain

[ZION] Moral War

2003-01-24 Thread Gerald Smith
I see Captain Moroni also living in such a time. He was fighting a corrupt government, but his cause was still just. You'll note that Pahoran was kicked out of power for a time, but the government was recovered (though never quite the same afteward). There's a good possibility that some corruption

[ZION] Important questions

2003-01-24 Thread Gerald Smith
Well, I hope we don't have to bomb Iraq. I hope we can get Saddam out of there without having to injure a single Iraqi individual, or risk our own troops. K'aya K'ama, Gerald (Gary) Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.geocities.com/rameumptom/index.html LDS Evidences, Family

[ZION] conditional divine love

2003-01-25 Thread Gerald Smith
I think Elder Nelson was defining unconditional love as a kind of love where God would love all of us so very much that he would forgive everyone, regardless of what we've done or whether we had repented or not. Using that definition, he is correct that there is no such thing as 'unconditional

[ZION] conditional divine love

2003-01-25 Thread Gerald Smith
I think the key to it is not the love part, but the unconditional blessing part. God in stating he hated Esau, was saying he did not favor Esau, or that he rejected him, because of Esau's actions and sins. However, what if Esau were to repent? Would God still hate him and reject him? Of course

[ZION] LOST AND FOUND

2003-06-06 Thread Gerald Smith
Paul, I suggest you contact the computer manufacturer and ask them. If the person has registered his computer (which is more likely than registering his Windows or other software), you may be able to track him down. They may not give out the information, but they would probably relay your

[ZION] Composing a letter to the Church

2003-05-27 Thread Gerald Smith
I never said you were the only one who wants to see this happen. What I did say is that there may not be enough blind people wanting Church publications accessible to the blind on computer to make it financially feasible. The Church has to weigh the needs of all people's access to the scriptures

[ZION] Deism

2003-05-27 Thread Gerald Smith
Deism was never considered fatalistic by the Deists of Jefferson's day. They believed that as the clock wound down it would generate people who were more and more enlightened in the things of God, eventually giving way to a wondrous Utopian Millennium based on knowledge, truth, and freedom. That

[ZION] Constitutional losses

2003-05-29 Thread Gerald Smith
Val, The government already has most of these search authorities. They have just reorganized them somewhat to make it more efficient for the new Homeland Dept. In all reality, we generally have more freedoms now than in previous generations in this country. It isn't the first time that freedoms

[ZION] God's love

2003-05-29 Thread Gerald Smith
Some on the list have mentioned in the past that God does not love sinners, and tried to use recent statements on unconditional love to prove their point. I'd like to quote Elder Neal Maxwell, perhaps the current scriptural scholar among the apostles, and definitely the most eloquent and prolific

[ZION] God's love

2003-06-01 Thread Gerald Smith
I believe they are discussing different ideas, but arriving at the same conclusions overall. Elder Nelson is trying to refute the idea of God unconditionally accepting everything we do, simply because he loves us. He will not exalt us in our sins, and we are erring if we think so. Elder Maxwell

[ZION] Bomber found

2003-06-02 Thread Gerald Smith
The bomber of the Atlanta Olympics and a few Ab clinics, Rudolph, was captured this weekend while digging in a dumpster in a small town in North Carolina, where the feds suspected he was. I remember John Redelfs lamenting a few months ago about how we could ever capture someone like Osama Bin

[ZION] Eric Rudolph

2003-06-03 Thread Gerald Smith
They've had big evidence on Rudolph in the B'ham bombing since early on. That was also when he was driven into the NC woods. At that time, they also began looking at him for possible attacks on other places in the Southeast, which led to him as a suspect on the 96 Atlanta Olympics. You'll note

[ZION] Goodbye

2003-06-09 Thread Gerald Smith
I have received several emails over the years by members of Zion and LDS Doctrine thanking me for my moderate and common sense views. I thank those who have appreciated my remarks over the years. However, the time has come when I must say goodbye to both lists. I have found that the tenor of

[ZION] Tell Heidi

2003-10-27 Thread Gerald Smith
is no slouch either, having stepped up to several responsibilities, too. But this only occurred AFTER the friendships brought them into LDS culture, where the little testimony they had could nurture in the warmth of the gospel's light. Gary Smith K'aya K'ama Gerald Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] http

[ZION] Harold Bloom

2003-10-31 Thread Gerald Smith
to establish peace and prosperity; and with the LDS Church as a key component to that preparation for the Second Coming. Oh, and BTW, I'm here, too. Perhaps I'll stay a while, depending on the tenor of the discussions. K'aya K'ama Gerald Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.geocities.com

[ZION] Catholics and Mormons

2003-11-02 Thread Gerald Smith
Mixed feelings are noted. We must draw some lines as to how helpful we are. I don't believe we will be donating anytime directly to the Vatican for a new wheelchair for the Pope. There is a major difference between false creeds and other churches. We are not supporting nor defending false creeds

[ZION] Catholics and Mormons unite

2003-11-02 Thread Gerald Smith
First off, this comes close to attacking the prophets and is a charter violation, so I'd be more careful in what you say, Paul. Second, we condemn false teachings and creeds, not peoples and religions. Although the Catholic Church is fallen from the fullness of the truth, there still is truth

[ZION] Cognitive Dissonance

2003-11-04 Thread Gerald Smith
of Moses, Christianity, Buddhism, Islam, etc). K'aya K'ama Gerald Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.geocities.com/rameumptom/ Freedom Forever // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http

[ZION] Unconditional Love

2003-11-05 Thread Gerald Smith
unconditional on many levels. What is important is that we don't twist that love as did Nehor and as do many today, to excuse their sinful natures. K'aya K'ama Gerald Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.geocities.com/rameumptom/ Freedom Forever The story line is: Ron Scott wrote

[ZION] Welcome back Ron Scott

2003-11-05 Thread Gerald Smith
here online. ;-) K'aya K'ama Gerald Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.geocities.com/rameumptom/ Freedom Forever // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html

[ZION] The Cruelty of False Doctrine

2003-11-05 Thread Gerald Smith
faith is required to be saved? And is that salvation in the Celestial Kingdom, or a lower kingdom that we are speaking about? K'aya K'ama Gerald Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.geocities.com/rameumptom/ Freedom Forever JWR's list of doctrines:1) There is a God. 2) Jesus Christ is his Son. 3

[ZION] Definitions

2003-11-05 Thread Gerald Smith
I think that just as there are true doctrines and the twisted apostate faux copies made by Satan, there are true passions and then there are faux passions created by Satan. Therefore, I believe God is capable of love, but not lust. God is capable of a Godly hatred of wickedness, but not an evil

[ZION] The Cruelty of False Doctrine

2003-11-05 Thread Gerald Smith
It is a wise person who can state when he doesn't know. There's nothing wrong with pondering and some speculating, as long as it doesn't become a personal doctrine that we insist on pushing onto others. I don't know the answers to any of those questions, either. I do have some personal ideas on

[ZION] A Question for George

2003-11-05 Thread Gerald Smith
And it goes beyond that, as well. Just doing what is right is not enough to entitle us to eternal life. We must do what is right, with the right intent. Christ, Paul and other prophets condemned the Jews and others for good actions without the right intentions behind the actions. We can't just

[ZION] Catholics and Mormons Unite

2003-11-07 Thread Gerald Smith
-- K'aya K'ama Gerald Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.geocities.com/rameumptom/ Freedom Forever // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html

[ZION] Welcom Tom Valleta

2003-11-07 Thread Gerald Smith
Tom, Welcome back to Zion. How was your mission? What does the Church have you doing now? K'aya K'ama Gerald Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.geocities.com/rameumptom/ Freedom Forever // /// ZION LIST CHARTER

[ZION] Repentance from adultery

2003-11-07 Thread Gerald Smith
of the Millennium, as Satan gathers his people out from those with a full witness of Christ. But in all reality, most of those choosing to be sons of perdition, chose to do so prior to this world. K'aya K'ama Gerald Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.geocities.com/rameumptom/ Freedom Forever Date: Thu

RE: [ZION] blood red moon

2003-11-07 Thread Gerald Smith
Well, one way to interpret DC 87 as the slaves that rise up against their masters who are disciplined in war, to mean the fall of Socialism; with the remnant of the slaves rising up against the Gentile nations being the Muslim terrorism attacks. When that occurs, the DC says there will begin

RE: [ZION] A reading list

2003-11-07 Thread Gerald Smith
I'm currently reading this note you sent. ;-) I'm also involved in how to write science fiction and fantasy by our own Orson Scott Card; and The Book of J edited by Harold Bloom. Gary Cousin Bill wrote: I'm sorry to rain on everyone's parade. I see that many people enjoy discussing the

RE: [ZION] Getting Married Older [was Official Doctrine #2]

2003-11-07 Thread Gerald Smith
Val, What age range are you looking for in a guy? Maybe a few of us could look for potential candidates in our areas for you. Gary Valerie Nielsen Williams wrote: On Fri, 7 Nov 2003 02:36:29 + Jim Cobabe [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: John W. Redelfs wrote: --- Would that all

RE: [ZION] A reading list

2003-11-07 Thread Gerald Smith
I have Barry's book. It is very good, with one exception. I think the Baptism for the Dead section is a little weak. But that isn't through any fault of his. The reality is, there isn't much ancient information whatsoever on baptisms for the dead. His stuff on an anthropomorphic God is

RE: [ZION] HELP

2003-11-07 Thread Gerald Smith
http://www.topica.com/lists/zion/read/ Gary Ron Scott wrote: Somehow I misplaced the address for the website, where I can read posts on line. Would you please forward the address to me when you get a moment. Ron Scott Gerald (Gary) Smith geraldsmith@ juno.com

RE: [ZION] Official Doctrine #2

2003-11-07 Thread Gerald Smith
Seems to me that a few years ago this list had a single sister on it who said she preferred being single in the Celestial Kingdom, and just being a ministering angel in God's presence. That being the case, there may be more to this than we think... Gary Sandy and Melinda Rabinowitz wrote:

[ZION] Feng Shui?

2003-11-08 Thread Gerald Smith
It is an oriental method of arranging your furniture so you get to heaven quicker. Or, maybe it is to allow the right vibes to flow through your house. Yeah, something like that. My wife owns both a book on Feng Shui and a parody called Wrong Shui (which I got for her, of course). K'aya K'ama,

[ZION] Official Declaration #2

2003-11-08 Thread Gerald Smith
Ah, but you stopped short in your reading of 131. he cannot have an increase is followed by worlds without end. To me, this not suggest forever, but rather a very long time, seemingly to the mortal mind an eternity. But then, the term Eternal has an interesting definition in DC 19, where it is one

[ZION] Sons of perdition

2003-11-08 Thread Gerald Smith
I have some quotes here, which will show that one must do more than receive the Holy Ghost and reject it to become a candidate for perdition. You will see that one must receive the Holy Ghost, have the heavens opened up, know God, and then totally and completely rebel. Gary Mormon Doctrine

[ZION] Val's dating

2003-11-08 Thread Gerald Smith
Val, I'll see what I can find down here in the Indy area. I hope it is close enough for you. ;-) I know they have a decent singles program here, what with two stakes to choose from. Maybe you ought to consider coming down for some of the events. If interested, let me know and I'll get you in

[ZION] Dungeons and Dragons

2003-11-09 Thread Gerald Smith
I am a Neutral Good Elf Barbarian BTW, there are also personality tests out there for Star Trek personalities, MM, muppets, XMen and cartoon villains. Here are a few links: http://www.geocities.com/windowkachan/personality/dbz/ http://www.roxydoll.com/~erin/quiz/

[ZION] Sons of perdition

2003-11-09 Thread Gerald Smith
to rebel totally against God. K'aya K'ama, Gerald (Gary) Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.geocities.com/rameumptom/index.html LDS Evidences, Family History, Food Storage, etc. JWR: Gerald Smith wrote: I have some quotes here, which will show that one must do more than

[ZION] Introducing Gary Smith

2003-11-09 Thread Gerald Smith
Okay, here's my bio: Born in 1959 in Spokane Washington. Son of Ken and Antonia Smith. He was born in Hailey Idaho, she in Dickinson ND. His ancestry is mostly British/Scot. Hers is entirely German-Russian Catholics. Raised most of my life in/near Missoula Montana, I grew up with my 3 brothers

[ZION] Thrift!

2003-11-09 Thread Gerald Smith
My wife drives a 1995 Ford Ranger that we bought for $5500 3 years ago. When they checked our credit worthiness, the dealer asked us if we wouldn't rather buy one of the new $30,000 trucks instead. I explained to him that's why my credit was so good. My car is a 1995 Saturn. I bought it almost 2

[ZION] The play's the thing.

2003-11-10 Thread Gerald Smith
using their command of the English language to translate, etc. And if that doesn't work, the Mikado is always a good bet in English OR Japanese. ;-) K'aya K'ama Gerald Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.geocities.com/rameumptom/ Freedom Forever Cousin Bill: Attempt to start new thread #3

RE: [ZION] The play's the thing.

2003-11-10 Thread Gerald Smith
? Tom -Original Message- From: Gerald Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: November 10, 2003 9:32 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [ZION] The play's the thing. I suggest you have the kids write one. They can use their strength inthe language to write it, come up

[ZION] Signs of Times

2003-11-11 Thread Gerald Smith
I use them to balance out the legs on a wobbly table I have K'aya K'ama Gerald Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.geocities.com/rameumptom/ Freedom Forever JWR: How do these signs of the times help you

[ZION] Sandy's Saturnalia question

2003-11-12 Thread Gerald Smith
it no longer drives, and in the meantime, save up your money for a new used car. K'aya K'ama Gerald Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.geocities.com/rameumptom/ Freedom Forever Sandy: I've got a '95 Saturn also, an SL1, that's at 215,000+ miles. But there are several problems with the car

[ZION] Israel in Egypt

2003-11-12 Thread Gerald Smith
(including Israel) started settling the area. K'aya K'ama Gerald Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.geocities.com/rameumptom/ Freedom Forever -- Stacy: I would like to know more about this and to confirm exactly what the Hebrews had to do in their slavery and how they left

RE: [ZION] Punch Their Lights Out

2003-11-12 Thread Gerald Smith
I guess it all depends on whose stream you are in that determines whether we are mainstream or not. When it comes to following the Lord's prophets, I'll try my best to be as mainstream as possible. Interesting how hard it is to turn the other cheek at times. Do we do as the pacifist Lamanites

RE: [ZION] Sons of Perdition

2003-11-12 Thread Gerald Smith
last battles of the Norse Gods at Ragnarock?) Gary Smith John W. Redelfs wrote: Gerald Smith wrote: But the longlasting Outer Darkness made for Sons of Perdition is a place which already will be quite filled with the third of heaven that has already chosen it. Given 16 billion people

[ZION] Punch their lights out

2003-11-13 Thread Gerald Smith
opinion, the terrible events that antis are doing in front of the temple are just as much the fault of the ACLU as of the Antis doing it. They are often the ennablers of such wicked and sordid craft. K'aya K'ama Gerald Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.geocities.com/rameumptom/ Freedom Forever

[ZION] The Descent of Man

2003-11-13 Thread Gerald Smith
of the dust of the earth as the scriptures tell us, or was he transplanted here from another world, as suggested by Brigham Young? More speculation! Gary K'aya K'ama Gerald Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.geocities.com/rameumptom/ Freedom Forever

RE: [ZION] Sons of Perdition

2003-11-13 Thread Gerald Smith
Personally, I think it will start as a war of words, then move on to violence. The wicked will not prevail, but that doesn't mean they don't make their attempts. For example, what is the logic in suicide/homicide bombing? Yes, you create terror, but you often lose more people than you take out.

[ZION] Thoughts on Ted Kennedy and Communism

2003-11-14 Thread Gerald Smith
are learning we cannot do so any longer. Meanwhile much of Europe is becoming one of the world's greatest dangers because of its embracing terrorist nations and ideologies. K'aya K'ama Gerald Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.geocities.com/rameumptom/ Freedom Forever

RE: [ZION] Sons of Perdition

2003-11-14 Thread Gerald Smith
I don't think Dantes figured on that many layers of hell. Who would have known that NY would elect Hitlary, Schumer, and isn't there a Kennedy in there somewhere also? Gary Smith Elmer L. Fairbank wrote: At 07:57 PM 11/13/2003 -0500, St Jon wrote: If this were lds-poll, I would say that

RE: [ZION] Thoughts on Ted Kennedy and Communism

2003-11-14 Thread Gerald Smith
enhanced and grown by a variety of television, radio, and internet blogs that cover all spectrums of the political wavelength. Gary Ron Scott wrote: -Original Message- From: Gerald Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, November 14, 2003 7:53 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED

RE: [ZION] Thoughts on Ted Kennedy and Communism

2003-11-14 Thread Gerald Smith
They spent years angry with one another for the political rivalry they had, refusing to speak to each other. Then in their elder years, they began writing to one another. They forgave each other and became close pen pals. Interesting that John Adams' last words were: Thomas Jefferson still

RE: [ZION] Sons of Perdition

2003-11-14 Thread Gerald Smith
lives. Amazing. RBS -Original Message- From: Gerald Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, November 14, 2003 11:54 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [ZION] Sons of Perdition I don't think Dantes figured on that many layers of hell. Who would have known

RE: [ZION] Sons of Perdition

2003-11-14 Thread Gerald Smith
Which is what makes having Ron around so fun. It's good for us to have more than one viewpoint, even if we don't agree. It should challenge us to consider and reconsider our personal ideas on things, to ensure we are standing on solid ground, or at least on ground that isn't too swampy. Gary

[ZION] Zell Miller

2003-11-14 Thread Gerald Smith
Democratic Senator Zell Miller of Georgia has written an interesting book on his party. He criticizes them for going so far left, and rejecting some of its former ideals, including being the party of the downtrodden and regular guy. I must say, as I recollect my younger years, my parents were

[ZION] Nauvoo Zion trip

2003-11-16 Thread Gerald Smith
I'm starting to look at dates for a Nauvoo reunion. I noticed that July 4th is on a Sunday in 2004. It might make for a fun weekend in Nauvoo. Any thoughts on it either way? If everyone likes it, we can plan on that weekend, otherwise I'll keep looking at dates. Gary Smith

[ZION] News sources

2003-11-16 Thread Gerald Smith
Well, the first one on your list already knocks your credibility down quite a ways. the NYTimes group has been riddled with scandle over the past year for fraudulent stories bent on making the left look good and the right look evil. I don't mind a magazine/newspaper slanting a certain direction,

[ZION] Good news sources

2003-11-16 Thread Gerald Smith
I've always like Wall Street Journal's best of the web, and the Washington Times. I also recommend Matt Drudge and Neal's Nuze (www.boortz.com) for information. Neal Boortz is a libertarian radio talk show host in Atlanta, so you get some good and interesting viewpoints from him. For libertarian

[ZION] Swampy comment

2003-11-16 Thread Gerald Smith
(Gary) Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.geocities.com/rameumptom/index.html LDS Evidences, Family History, Food Storage, etc. Gerald Smith wrote: It's good for us to have more than one viewpoint, even if we don't agree. It should challenge us to consider and reconsider

[ZION] Apocrypha

2003-11-17 Thread Gerald Smith
, they will gain the truth, and toss out the errors. As for apocryphal books (not necessarily in the Apocrypha, but early writings) that probably should be in the Bible: Gospel of Thomas, Odes of Solomon, the Testaments of the 12 Patriarchs. K'aya K'ama Gerald Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] http

[ZION] Nauvoo Zion reunion

2003-11-18 Thread Gerald Smith
If you drive, you are welcome to stay at the house in Indianapolis along the way. I don't charge much for room and board. ;-) K'aya K'ama Gerald Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.geocities.com/rameumptom/ Freedom Forever At 08:47 PM 11/15/2003 -0600, Heidi the fair wrote: LOVE

[ZION] The Return of the King

2003-11-18 Thread Gerald Smith
I also liked Harry Potter (the books are better than the movies), however LOTR movies are very good, though I still love the books more. I don't like much of Salinger. Am a big fan of Dickens and Irving. Dickinson's poetry is some of the best there is: I can still hear the flies buzzing. One of

RE: [ZION] Orson Scott Card on Iraq

2004-03-02 Thread Gerald Smith
How about to defend an ally (Kuwait)? Also, how about to defend our oil interests? Those are two very important reasons to go into Iraq the first time, as well as the second time. What would the economy of the USA been like over the past 10 years if Saddam had control of the oil fields in

RE: [ZION] The Passion

2004-03-02 Thread Gerald Smith
Now there's a real cynical thing to say about a practicing Catholic! Tying him in with the sleaze bags, joking or not, is not funny at all. Gibson did the film as an expression of faith, whether we like it or not. The filthy priests did their evil deeds as an expression of evil. I'm certain

RE: [ZION] Orson Scott Card on Iraq

2004-03-03 Thread Gerald Smith
wrote: Gerald Smith wrote: How about to defend an ally (Kuwait)? Also, how about to defend our oil interests? Those are two very important reasons to go into Iraq the first time, as well as the second time. Kuwait was not an ally. It was a client state that western oil money set up

RE: [ZION] Gay Marriage in Oregon

2004-03-04 Thread Gerald Smith
Interesting that all these gay marriage actions are taking place in liberal coastline states. You just don't see any small towns in Mississippi handing out marriage licenses like that, do you? Jonathan Scott wrote:

RE: [ZION] Federal Marriage Amendment

2004-03-05 Thread Gerald Smith
It means that no legal document can require marriage to also apply to same sex or other couplings. This doesn't disallow unions for them, just proscribes that the term and form of marriage be saved for man and woman. Gary Jonathan Scott wrote: Neither this Constitution or the constitution

[ZION] Gay marriage is wrong

2004-03-09 Thread Gerald Smith
Here is an awesome article by Thomas Sowell on why Gay marriage movement is wrong. Gary http://www.townhall.com/columnists/thomassowell/ts20040309.shtml 'Gay marriage' confusions Thomas Sowell (archive) March 9, 2004 Few issues have produced as much confused thinking as the gay marriage

RE: [ZION] Trial by Media

2004-03-09 Thread Gerald Smith
The sad thing is, she was offered a deal wherein she wouldn't have to do jail time, but her lawyer talked her out of it. I'm hearing she'll get about 18 months. And, of course her company will tank. Gary Tom Matkin wrote: -Original Message- From: RB Scott [mailto:[EMAIL

RE: [ZION] Am I wasting my time?

2004-03-09 Thread Gerald Smith
I've just been too busy to look at it. Gary Jonathan Scott wrote: Hello, I've noticed that you all don't seem too interested in the things that I'm writing. Could you please tell me why that is? Is it that you disagree? Is it that you don't care? Is it that you're too busy to

RE: [ZION] Cause for rejoicing

2004-03-09 Thread Gerald Smith
I heard a rumor that Stacy Smith's husband was baptized over the weekend. I'm sure that is an awesome thing for her. Congrats, Heidi! Gary mormonyoyoman wrote: Heartfelt congratulations to Heidi! There are few things as satisfying as seeing one's family doing the celestial thing!

RE: [ZION] Gay marriage is wrong

2004-03-10 Thread Gerald Smith
will the Church be should, at some point down the road, the Lord order that polygamy be reinstituted? I realize this is unlikely...but there is a darned important principle in play here, one that too many of us are ignoring. RBS -Original Message- From: Gerald Smith [mailto:[EMAIL

RE: [ZION] Gay art exhibit

2004-03-10 Thread Gerald Smith
Would SLCC allow a display of photos/art depicting homosexuals on their knees attempting to repent of their sin? It would definitely promote discussion, wouldn't it? I'm willing to do a pictorial expose of gays burning in hell, repenting on their knees before Christ, etc; if SLCC is willing

RE: [ZION] Gay Marriage Quicksand

2004-03-10 Thread Gerald Smith
I'm all for it, IF we can get Congress to do it, and then not renege on it 10 years down the road under a liberal president. But how does this affect state courts who are legislating the same things from the bench? States would still be forced to draft amendments to their Constitutions,

RE: [ZION] Gay marriage is wrong

2004-03-10 Thread Gerald Smith
in the household. As I practical matter, would we not be better off finding ways to support all families, no matter their configurations? Ron Scott -Original Message- From: Gerald Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2004 9:34 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [ZION

RE: [ZION] Gay marriage is wrong

2004-03-10 Thread Gerald Smith
, the Lord order that polygamy be reinstituted? I realize this is unlikely...but there is a darned important principle in play here, one that too many of us are ignoring. RBS -Original Message- From: Gerald Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2004 12:08 PM

RE: [ZION] General Conference Hopes

2004-03-15 Thread Gerald Smith
I'm not discouraged. I see this as being part of the plan. God has already told us what would happen in the last days. So, why worry? Do your part, and know that Christ will come out victor in the end. That is where hope lies, in seeing beyond this earthly realm, and into the heavens beyond.

RE: [ZION] Taxes

2004-03-15 Thread Gerald Smith
So, you are saying that pretty much any one could impress you ;-) Gary Ron Scott wrote: Do tell. Remember I live in the state that produced Kennedy, Kerry and Romney. RBS -Original Message- From: Jon Spencer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, March 13, 2004 10:53

RE: [ZION] General Conference Hopes

2004-03-15 Thread Gerald Smith
old, and generally happy. I wish you all could see her. She has her Grandpa Redelfs' big eyes and forehead :) Sara Peterson Brookline Mass From: Gerald Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [ZION] General Conference Hopes Date

RE: [ZION] General Conference Hopes

2004-03-17 Thread Gerald Smith
places. Believe in God, believe in his miracles. Unlike the calvary in many old movies, God does show up in the nick of time. Gary Smith John W. Redelfs wrote: Gerald Smith wrote: I'm not discouraged. I see this as being part of the plan. God has already told us what would happen in the last

RE: [ZION] Gas pains

2004-03-17 Thread Gerald Smith
Except that we would lose millions of jobs during the transition from a personal vehicle society to a mass transit one. One thing I've come to believe is that personal access to transportation is as important to freedom as is the right to bear arms. It is much easier to track people on trains

RE: [ZION] J. Reuben Clark

2004-03-18 Thread Gerald Smith
What a great idea! Let's set a date for May sometime, maybe? It will be a little warmer, and my wife will be done with her semester of school (taking the summer off). I'm sure we could get Heidi Page and husband to come up from Kintucky, just a few hours from the Evansville Stake, etc. Who

RE: [ZION] Yankee or Dixie?

2004-03-18 Thread Gerald Smith
Well, this is a trick problem. You see, if I've been regularly feeding myself 'real' food, then I'd be about 99.99 percent Yankee. However, if I had fasted for, say, like a week, then in eating the grits, I'd only be 98.9 percent Yankee. So the test is obviously rigged. ;-) Gary Unless, of

RE: [ZION] J. Reuben Clark

2004-03-18 Thread Gerald Smith
.. With my memory, I'm not sure if I'd remember to show up -- or if I'd remember whether I'd been there or not. *jeep! ---Chet If ya thinks ya is right, ya deserfs credit - even if ya is wrong. --Gus Segar via Popeye - Original Message - From: Gerald Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED

RE: [ZION] Vote Now!

2004-03-19 Thread Gerald Smith
A. Certainly. However, the question will be how long it lasts. Once we start concentrating on other areas, will the Iraqis keep it? I mean, look at what the French and Germans have done with their freedom since we ended the Cold War and didn't concentrate on them as much. Gary Smith John W.

RE: [ZION] Vote Now!

2004-03-19 Thread Gerald Smith
E. Strongly Disagree. How else are we going to know which ones are the tares, if they hide amongst the wheat??? There's gonna be a big bonfire, and I'm hoping to watch it, not get burned mistakenly because we can't tell the firewood from the cabinetry in the house of God. Gary Smith John

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2004-03-19 Thread Gerald Smith
Presidente Tomas, So, are you saying that instead of trying to help them democratize, we should have just turned Afghanistan and Iraq into seas of glass, to get the radical terrorists out of our hair? Gary Smith Tom Matkin wrote: -Original Message- From: John W. Redelfs

RE: [ZION] Vote Now!

2004-03-20 Thread Gerald Smith
That's somewhat of a fallacious generalization, John. Yes, it is difficult and it takes time. But you know what, in business management terms, we see change as requiring time. When a business changes its culture, it requires years for the complete change over. Behaviorists will tell you that

RE: [ZION] Musical Instruments Survey

2004-03-20 Thread Gerald Smith
So, Tom, are you saying there is a link between playing the harmonica and being on death row? Maybe we should continue teaching kids to play the recorder so we don't raise a generation of harmonica playing thugs! ;-) As for me, I sing tenor. I've sung in two temple dedication choirs, in

RE: [ZION] Vote Now!

2004-03-20 Thread Gerald Smith
Ron, why is it that you attack the commandments of God like this? Christ, to this day, condemns sexual impurity, even though he doesn't demand us to stone people to death. Some judgments MUST be made, otherwise you end up with no law, no order, only anarchy. Lehi taught there is right and

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2004-03-21 Thread Gerald Smith
How about his prophecy that Jerusalem would be destroyed by God for its sins? Since Christ is God, he was doing more than just foreseeing an event - he was being Judge, Jury and Executioner. He will do it again at the Second Coming. We must remember that the Mosaic Law was a lower law - but

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2004-03-21 Thread Gerald Smith
My comments intermingled below: Jack wrote: This is interesting info, Gary, but I doubt that it applies to this discussion. Although business traditions are mercurial, cultural traditions tend to strengthen exponentially from generation to generation. The hand that rocks the cradle, etc. I

RE: [ZION] Vote Now!

2004-03-22 Thread Gerald Smith
if our methods are different. Ron -Original Message- From: Gerald Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, March 21, 2004 1:42 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [ZION] Vote Now! How about his prophecy that Jerusalem would be destroyed by God for its sins? Since Christ

RE: [ZION] Vote Now!

2004-03-22 Thread Gerald Smith
Only he can fully judge us, but the Lord calls upon mankind to judge. Why else have judges in Israel? And we can often tell if a person has repented or not, by whether they have abandoned their sins. Someone living in a gay relationship and pushing for gay rights has not abandoned his sins,

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2004-03-22 Thread Gerald Smith
To continue the discussion with Jack and how we are affecting the culture in the Middle East, let me quote today's Best of the Web from the WSJ: The Road to Damascus http://www.nytimes.com/2004/03/20/international/middleeast/20SYRI.html?ei

RE: [ZION] Vote Now!

2004-03-23 Thread Gerald Smith
for having cared enough about him to teach him. He had health and a long life and loved his father till the end of his days. -Original Message- From: Gerald Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 22, 2004 12:04 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [ZION] Vote Now

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