RE: [ZION] Who is the House of Israel?

2002-10-27 Thread Jim Cobabe
Israel is covenant-founded, temple-based, and Christ-centered. The work of Jesus Christ is the reason the covenant of Abraham exists. The Abrahamic covenant, which is the covenant of Israel, is in every way as significant in the last days as it was in any age of the past. Jesus Christ is the

RE: [ZION] Who is the House of Israel?

2002-10-27 Thread Jim Cobabe
Great consideration is given regarding the confidentiality of the decisions of a Church disciplinary council. No announcement is ever made when a member is placed on formal probation. Decisions to disfellowship or excommunicate are generally not announced publicly unless the transgression is

[ZION] Blessed

2002-10-27 Thread Jim Cobabe
My friends, I fervently pray that the Lord might generously bless all those who suffer or are sorely afflicted. May their souls be salved with healing and relief. As for myself, I reiterate my own marvel--every Sunday, the doors of the church do not of themselves swing shut, at my very

RE: [ZION] Who is the House of Israel?

2002-10-29 Thread Jim Cobabe
Scott McGee wrote: --- Ok, question time. If a person is excomunicated due to them having taught false doctrine, is a statement from them renouncing the false doctrine required for their repentance? --- If there is such a policy, I have not heard of it. In my experience, the specific

RE: [ZION] The veil

2002-10-29 Thread Jim Cobabe
Atonement for sin is no longer made by the high priest in Israel when he passes through the veil of the temple into the holy of holies. (Lev. 16.) See Heb. 6:19-20. Now there is a new way, a living way, for the veil of the old temple was rent with the crucifixion. (Matt. 27:50-51.) Now Jesus

RE: [ZION] The veil

2002-10-29 Thread Jim Cobabe
One of the most significant meanings of the veil is the representation of our separation from God. He has counseled us to prepare for the eventual removal of that veil... 22 Behold, it is my will, that all they who call on my name, and worship me according to mine everlasting gospel,

RE: [ZION] Who is the House of Israel?

2002-10-29 Thread Jim Cobabe
Paul Osborne wrote: --- No one in this church can be excommunicated for simply teaching false doctrine. --- Fortunate for me--I get it wrong nearly every time, and I wouldn't have lasted long in this church otherwise. Tolerance is the virtual safety belt that lets us live with each other in

RE: [ZION] The veil

2002-10-29 Thread Jim Cobabe
John W. Redelfs wrote: --- In other word I'm still in love with the movie, Princess Bride. Farm Boy and Buttercup had it right. --- Let me not to the marriage of true minds Admit impediments, love is not love Which alters when it alteration finds, Or bends with the remover to remove. O no, it

[ZION] Imagine that!

2002-10-31 Thread Jim Cobabe
An interesting note in my mailbox today... Since I'm already independently wealthy, I have no interest in this unique investment opportunity. No need to be selfish, I said to myself. Perhaps someone else could benefit from the promised 5 million dollars. In all honesty, even if these crooks

RE: [ZION] Imagine that!

2002-10-31 Thread Jim Cobabe
Stephen Beecroft wrote: --- Jim, your cynical lack of faith in mankind leaves me shocked and appalled. --- Take heart, Stephen. I suspect the scam will probably pay off--at least for somebody. :-) I am truly pleased at the prospect of success of others. Having personally attained a level

[ZION] Symbolic distractions

2002-11-01 Thread Jim Cobabe
This message is symbolic, therefore it cannot be construed to contain any particular meaning. Take a stab in the dark, interpret it however you like. One guess is as good as another. --- Mij Ebaboc / /// ZION LIST

RE: [ZION] Imagine that!

2002-11-02 Thread Jim Cobabe
KIRBY: E-mail From Nigeria -- I'm Rich! Saturday, November 2, 2002 Read me while you can because I am going to be filthy rich soon. When it happens I will not be writing this column anymore. The manner of acquiring my new wealth need not remain a secret. You could do it too,

[ZION] Reconstructing the Clinton legacy

2002-11-02 Thread Jim Cobabe
News article reports that the is U.S. withdrawing support for the UN Reproductive Health agreement. The agreement was apparently largely a committment from the Clinton presidency for the US to fund women's choice clinics in third-world countries.

[ZION] Ddouble-ddipped

2002-11-02 Thread Jim Cobabe
http://www.sltrib.com/11022002/saturday/12782.htm Interesting article about a science study by a social anthropologist, refers to mormons distracted by gospel hobbies as double dippers. Whatever their secondary involvement, these double dippers are motivated by a sense of deprivation: they

RE: [ZION] Ddouble-ddipped

2002-11-02 Thread Jim Cobabe
Stephen Beecroft wrote: --- The good thing is that, according to Ms. Fletcher Stack and the accomplished Dr. Bennion, we are an important subset of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. Yippee! I feel so empowered! --- I'm not convinced that Peggy would express her feelings in

RE: [ZION] Life Everlasting Duane S. Crowther

2002-11-03 Thread Jim Cobabe
Crowther’s Life Everlasting is a genuine delight to me. Thanks for raising it to my attention. I thought it was a wonderful book when I first read it, more than thirty years ago. On reexamination, I find it to be even more relevant and edifying than the first view. I have in the interim

RE: [ZION] Life Everlasting Duane S. Crowther

2002-11-03 Thread Jim Cobabe
Marc A. Schindler wrote: --- Just be careful: a lot of what Crowther wrote was personal speculation on his part. --- Shouldn't be much of a problem, because more than half the text consists of direct quotations--from personal journals and letters of those who experienced or spoke of death

RE: [ZION] scriptures are not secular?

2002-11-03 Thread Jim Cobabe
Paul Osborne wrote: --- Maybe we don't even really exist. Would someone pinch me please? --- Sure, happy to-- PINCH! --- Mij Ebaboc / /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// ///

[ZION] Archaeology breakthrough--dramatic transitional forms

2002-11-05 Thread Jim Cobabe
Archaeologists have recently discovered fossil evidence of evolutionary transitional forms of modern sheep species. Of course, these illustrations are not being promoted as absolutely accurate renderings, science being the forever tentative discipline that it is. --- Mij Ebaboc [EMAIL

[ZION] Antarctic Warming

2002-11-05 Thread Jim Cobabe
was published in EOS Transactions, a publication of the American Geophysics Union. Cheryl Bertoia, of the U.S. National Ice Center participated in the study. Jim Cobabe [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.tripod.com/~jcobabe When I use a word, it means just what I choose it to mean--neither more nor

RE: [ZION] Archaeology breakthrough--dramatic transitional forms

2002-11-06 Thread Jim Cobabe
John W. Redelfs wrote: --- Jim what sources do you use to keep abreast of this kind of news? --- Only the most reputable peer-reviewed science journals. (Of course!) ;- --- Mij Ebaboc / /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please

RE: [ZION] scriptures are not secular?

2002-11-06 Thread Jim Cobabe
Providing authoratative interpretation of the scriptures is one of the explict roles of prophets, seers, and revelators who lead the Lord's people. Followers of academics, apologists, revisionists, agnostics, and assorted fruits and nuts, will be sadly misled. --- Mij Ebaboc

RE: [ZION] scriptures are not secular?

2002-11-06 Thread Jim Cobabe
What Brigham Young had to say about the symbolic story of Jericho: If we are the people of God, we are to be the richest people on the earth, and these riches are to be held in God, not in the devil. God tells us how we may accomplish this, as plainly and as surely as he told Joshua and the

RE: [ZION] Archaeology breakthrough--dramatic transitional forms

2002-11-06 Thread Jim Cobabe
John W. Redelfs wrote: --- Could you share a title or two with me? Or is this some kind of proprietary secret? --JWR --- Nature is the science journal I read most often, but my own interests are pretty whimsical and far-ranging. --- Mij Ebaboc

RE: [ZION] Mission Call

2002-11-07 Thread Jim Cobabe
Brother Fairbank, what happy news. Congratulations! --- Mij Ebaboc / /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html ///

RE: [ZION] Osama bin Laden

2002-11-07 Thread Jim Cobabe
John W. Redelfs wrote: --- Is everyone pretty convinced that Osama bin Laden is still alive? If he is, maybe we should finish that part of the War on Terrorism before adding Saddam Hussein to the hit list. --- If the greatest priority in this situation is to eliminate terrorist leaders like

RE: [ZION] Bible vs the Scientists

2002-11-07 Thread Jim Cobabe
Stacy Smith wrote: --- I would like a listing of Steven E. Robinson's books so I might buy them. This one sounds interesting. --- Robinson has written three books that are included on my GospeLink collection. ARE MORMONS CHRISTIANS? by Stephen E. Robinson Bookcraft Salt Lake City, Utah 1991

[ZION] Symbolic story

2002-11-07 Thread Jim Cobabe
An angel appears at a faculty meeting and tells the dean that in return for his unselfish and exemplary behavior, the Lord will reward him with his choice of infinite wealth, wisdom, or beauty. Without hesitating, the dean selects infinite wisdom. Done! says the angel, and disappears in a

[ZION] Fwd: Your Consideration.

2002-11-08 Thread Jim Cobabe
Another of these entertaining invitations from Lagos... GREENFIELDS AGRO-ALLIED COMPANY. 10 BROAD STREET, LAGOS-NIGERIA. TEL: 2348023263622 Your Attention: First, I must solicit your strictest understanding in the matter i am about to disclose to you,if the contents of this mail does

RE: [ZION] Best Arguments on Evolution

2002-11-08 Thread Jim Cobabe
It is difficult to find books on evolution that avoid dogmatic approaches. I suspect that most who disagree with the rank and file do so privately. In my experience any lack of enthusiasm for the currently favored doctrine of evolution is met with waves of contempt and derision. If you

[ZION] Liberal dems unveil...

2002-11-08 Thread Jim Cobabe
Senator Peolosi from San Francisco is being groomed to take over the top of the Dem heap in the Congress, while many of the other rats abandon the sinking ship. Appears that she doesn't even attempt to hide her whacked-out leftist socialist feminazi idealism. Near as I can tell, she is an

[ZION] Mother Young's Baby Stories

2002-11-08 Thread Jim Cobabe
Bible stories that Mother Young taught to Brigham when he was a child may be the stumbling block of those who read the scriptures with a traditional approach. But Brigham's word on this matter doesn't seem to be exactly as we might have been led to believe. In context, his disparaging

RE: [ZION] scriptures are not secular?

2002-11-08 Thread Jim Cobabe
Marc A. Schindler wrote: --- What would happen if an elderly lady stood up in your next fast testimony meeting and started talking in tongues? --- Unworthy soul that I am, nonetheless I believe I would weep for joy. This really is a hypothetical, sadly enough. We apparently are not

RE: [ZION] Governing the Least

2002-11-08 Thread Jim Cobabe
Paul Osborne wrote: --- Trust me, you're not alone. I don't care about Jackon County or the second coming or any of the dreaded prophecies of doom. I just want to get my mission done and get out of here. The sooner the better as I wish the Lord would hurry it up and beam me up. I'm so sick of

RE: [ZION] Governing the Least

2002-11-08 Thread Jim Cobabe
Paul Osborne wrote: --- Trust me, you're not alone. I don't care about Jackon County or the second coming or any of the dreaded prophecies of doom. I just want to get my mission done and get out of here. The sooner the better as I wish the Lord would hurry it up and beam me up. I'm so sick of

RE: [ZION] Governing the Least

2002-11-08 Thread Jim Cobabe
Paul Osborne wrote: --- Trust me, you're not alone. I don't care about Jackon County or the second coming or any of the dreaded prophecies of doom. I just want to get my mission done and get out of here. The sooner the better as I wish the Lord would hurry it up and beam me up. I'm so sick of

RE: [ZION] Governing the Least

2002-11-08 Thread Jim Cobabe
John W. Redelfs wrote: --- Vancouver is part of the greater Seattle metropolitan area, isn't it? very big grin --- Of course, and Toronto is just a Buffalo suburb. Indeed the whole population of Canada is excluded from being blessed with US citizenship by the thinnest of margins. If

RE: [ZION] Liberal femdems unveil...

2002-11-09 Thread Jim Cobabe
Stephen Beecroft wrote: --- It appears you've gotten your wish. I certainly hope you all are right. My observation is that when wackos get into leadership position, they eventually stop looking quite so wacky. A monster of so frightful mien and all that. --- I would share your concern if we

RE: [ZION] Taliban in Pakistan

2002-11-09 Thread Jim Cobabe
Steven Montgomery wrote: --- Perhaps you're right, but I still fail to see how the United States maintained the moral high ground by bombing civilians. I think a demonstration about 5 miles offshore might have accomplished the same purpose. --- I don't know who was morally right or wrong in

[ZION] Fwd: CONFIDENTIAL TRUSTEE NEEDED

2002-11-09 Thread Jim Cobabe
If you don't care for Nigerian scams, maybe Zaire will be a happier match. DEAR FRIEND, THIS MAY COME TO YOU AS SUPRISE DUE TO THE FACT THAT WE HAVE NOT MET. I AM MRS MARIAM SESE-SEKO WIDOW OF LATE PRESIDENT MOBUTU SESE-SEKO OF ZAIRE? NOW KNOWN AS DEMOCRATIC REPUBLIC OF CONGO (DRC). I

RE: [ZION] Taliban in Pakistan

2002-11-09 Thread Jim Cobabe
Jon Spencer wrote: --- Of course, with all the hysteria over nuclear power that the envirowackos have stirred up, the emotional damage would be much greater. --- Creating terror is the real objective of terrorism, isn't it? What does it matter that dirty bombs are ineffective at inflicting

RE: [ZION] Fwd: CONFIDENTIAL TRUSTEE NEEDED

2002-11-09 Thread Jim Cobabe
Valerie Nielsen Williams wrote: --- Hey, no fair--she's mine! I've gotten a couple from her. Hmpf, and here I thought she way MY friend ;-o --- I indicated earlier that I'm already independently wealthy, so I have no need for a share of these people's promised millions. You're welcome to

RE: [ZION] Liberal dems unveil...

2002-11-09 Thread Jim Cobabe
It is further obvious to me that some onlookers to the political scene lack the discernment to note that good and honest people cannot in good conscience affiliate, without serious reservations, with either of the major political groups in this country. I have every confidence that noted

RE: [ZION] Social Mormons (was: Liberal dems unveil...)

2002-11-09 Thread Jim Cobabe
If Satan can't intimidate or bully us with physical trials, he'll often try to fool us with substitute issues and programs. He would like us to invest our time, talents, and energy in causes that are not the cause of Zion, in the hope they may ultimately replace our commitment to the gospel.

[ZION] Democans and Republicrats

2002-11-10 Thread Jim Cobabe
The Democrat asked his Republican friend, Why are you a Republican? He replied, I am a Republican because my father was a Republican. The Democrat said, That's no reason. If you want to be a Republican because you like President Eisenhower, because you think Senator Goldwater is a wonderful

RE: [ZION] Liberal dems unveil...

2002-11-10 Thread Jim Cobabe
24th Amendment The right of citizens of the United States to vote in any primary or other election for President or Vice President, for electors for President or Vice President, or for Senator or Representative in Congress, shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or any State by

[ZION] Removing Christianity from US history

2002-11-10 Thread Jim Cobabe
http://www.abbottloop.org/alconweb/pol_news/mythafa.htm During the French and Indian War, the 23-year-old Washington was fighting with the British against the French who were allied with the Indians. On July 9, 1755, in the Battle of the Monongahela, the British regiments were ambushed by the

RE: [ZION] One Party Rule?

2002-11-11 Thread Jim Cobabe
One party rule will eventually fulfil the prophetic vision of early Church leaders. There will be only one party that follows the Lord. Everyone else will follow the adversary. Ultimately this is the only partisan association that matters. While this may not be the pattern for this day,

RE: [ZION] Madsen claims

2002-11-11 Thread Jim Cobabe
Stephen Beecroft wrote: --- 1. Lillian Freeze (Lilian Freise? something like that) recorded that Joseph Smith said that the day would come that only Latter-day Saint women would want to have children. --- Can't locate such a refernce. Will continue searching. --- 2. William Dimick (Demick?

RE: [ZION] Madsen claims

2002-11-11 Thread Jim Cobabe
Here's the other reference-- Joseph Smith made many prophetic statements that last to our day. Some of them seemed preposterous at the time. Lillie Freeze recalls one such. He said the time would come when none but the women of the Latter-day Saints would be willing to bear children.fn In

RE: [ZION] A Whirlwind Trip South

2002-11-11 Thread Jim Cobabe
, or Timpanogos? --- Jim Cobabe // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html

RE: [ZION] One Party Rule?

2002-11-11 Thread Jim Cobabe
I understand that the Church does not endorse any political policy, except in cases where a moral issue is involved. There is a strong effort to avoid the suggestion that the platform of a particular political party represents or has the unilateral backing of the Church. This has been the

RE: [ZION] One party rule?

2002-11-12 Thread Jim Cobabe
Perhaps the motivation behind liberal rhetoric reacting to the Republican domination in US politics is more instructive than all the supposedly moderate and centrist Democrat voices urging respect and tolerance for their views. Perhaps Bill Moyers editorial gives a better picture of what

RE: [ZION] A Whirlwind Trip South

2002-11-12 Thread Jim Cobabe
John, My folks place is in Sanpete County, about 50 miles southeast of Provo--midway between Provo and Manti. This is about two hours of highway time from the airport, or from downtown SLC. In any case I'm really flexible. How about you and Doug figure out a schedule that works, and I'll

[ZION] Answer to Life

2002-11-13 Thread Jim Cobabe
Jim Cobabe [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.tripod.com/~jcobabe When I use a word, it means just what I choose it to mean--neither more nor less. _ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http

[ZION] Deseret Book standards

2002-11-14 Thread Jim Cobabe
LDS Author 's Book Deemed Inappropriate Thursday, November 14, 2002 BY CHRISTY KARRAS THE SALT LAKE TRIBUNE Nobody looked to Deseret Book as a source for steamy romance novels, but now even tame love stories face possible eviction from the shelves. The LDS Church-owned chain of

RE: [ZION] Populations (was Re: umbrella)

2002-11-14 Thread Jim Cobabe
Rick Mathis wrote: --- Wow! That's almost as many people as California! --- Yah. Canada can't accomodate as many as Califoria. Not enough freeways to park them on. --- Mij Ebaboc // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please

[ZION] Anachronistic God?

2002-11-14 Thread Jim Cobabe
This is probably anachronistic too, I suppose. (Abraham 1:31.) 31 But the records of the fathers, even the patriarchs, concerning the right of Priesthood, the Lord my God preserved in mine own hands; therefore a knowledge of the beginning of the creation, and also of the planets, and of

RE: [ZION] Hardwired for God?

2002-11-14 Thread Jim Cobabe
Marc A. Schindler wrote: --- Actually ancients did not make a distinction between astrology and astronomy as we do -- the prohibition against astrology is being read back into the OT, which is anachronistic. Zodiac mosaics have been found on the floors of 1st century BC synagogues in

[ZION] A letter from Pres. Hinckley

2002-11-17 Thread Jim Cobabe
Deseret News, Sunday, November 17, 2002 This is the text of LDS Church President Gordon B. Hinckley's letter regarding the Main Street Plaza: To Our Neighbors, I send to you my warmest greetings. For almost all of my 92 years, I have lived and worked in the Salt Lake community among

[ZION] John Redelfs sighting

2002-11-17 Thread Jim Cobabe
Doug McGee and I met John Redelfs on his arrival at the SLC airport yesterday. Doug treated us to dinner at the Cafe Pierpont downtown. We spent an enjoyable evening in conversation, until the restaurant proprietor complained that we had overspent our time, whereupon John and I parted

RE: [ZION] Something Else To Ponder

2002-11-17 Thread Jim Cobabe
Stacy Smith wrote: --- I've long suspected that psychoactive drugs, while helping someone to feel better, also lessens perception of personal revelation. Am I right? --- We can experience genuine spiritual manifestations that are a result of the power and direct influence of God. Many make

RE: [ZION] In the World

2002-11-18 Thread Jim Cobabe
Elmer L. Fairbank wrote: --- In the world but not of it or something of it's ilk. What's the source of the saying? --- According to Nibley-- That is, when I find myself called upon to stand up and be counted, to declare myself on one side or the other, which do I prefer—gin or rum,

[ZION] Main Street Plaza: Meridian Editorial

2002-11-18 Thread Jim Cobabe
http://www.meridianmagazine.com/editorial/021118plaza.html --- Mij Ebaboc // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html ///

RE: [ZION] Coffee, Tea or Eternity

2002-11-19 Thread Jim Cobabe
Jon, It appears that the generally accepted definition of hot drinks may have been fairly broad for a period of time. A quote from Widtsoe's 1937 book on the Word of Wisdom-- Caffeine, the essential principle of tea and coffee, was discovered, as a chemical substance, a few years before the

[ZION] Science dissonance

2002-11-21 Thread Jim Cobabe
http://www.nature.com/nsu/02/02-7.html Plant biologists discuss ways that organisms in the plant world appear to mimic the forms of insect life as a beneficial adaptation. These features are common enough in the plant world to merit a lot of consideration from the evolutionist's

RE: [ZION] Something else to ponder

2002-11-21 Thread Jim Cobabe
My regular diatribe on this question-- Those of us who now need or have needed psychotrophic drugs for personal maintenance face serious enough challenges in life, without having to contend with unqualified people who presume to know all about our illnesses and afflictions. And sadly, there

RE: [ZION] Something else to ponder

2002-11-21 Thread Jim Cobabe
Dan R Allen wrote: --- This very subject came up in a meeting I attended recently, and a statistic was thrown out that I found rather shocking: 40% of missionaries from North America are supposably on Ritalyn. Has anyone else heard this? --- It seems more likely that this report is conflated

RE: [ZION] Science dissonance

2002-11-22 Thread Jim Cobabe
Adaptation that can be properly characterized as mimicry in plants is indicative of some mechanism or force that cannot be accounted for within the current domain of evolutionary philosophy. My belief is that the science of evolution cannot accomodate or explain the gradual development of

RE: [ZION] Canada: Bush is a moron

2002-11-23 Thread Jim Cobabe
One entry found for politician. Main Entry: pol·i·ti·cian Pronunciation: pä-l-'ti-shn Function: noun Date: 1589 1 : a person experienced in the art or science of government; especially : one actively engaged in conducting the business of a government 2 a : a person engaged in party politics

RE: [ZION] Canada: Bush is a moron

2002-11-23 Thread Jim Cobabe
Granted, Bush probably _is_ a moron. But it's astronomically bad form for a politician in a foreign government to say so in public. Besides, Canada and the US are supposed to be collaborating in the war on terror(TM), and this is just a horrifying breach of international security. What if

RE: [ZION] Canada: Bush is a moron

2002-11-23 Thread Jim Cobabe
Stephen Beecroft wrote: --- You don't think she qualifies as one actively engaged in conducting the business of a government? You don't think she is a person engaged in party politics as a profession? I think she very clearly qualifies under at least those two definitions. --- Yes, another

RE: [ZION] Science disonance

2002-11-24 Thread Jim Cobabe
Gary Smith wrote: --- BTW, IMO philosophy shows that evolution is a farce. However, it DOES show that de-evolution does occur in laboratory mice and high school students --- I concur. Indeed, the entire history of the human race is a testament to devolution. Men are in a lost and fallen

RE: [ZION] Can Anyone Become A Fully Qualified Member In Good Standing After H

2002-11-24 Thread Jim Cobabe
Stacy, some practical thoughts. If you reflect on this question with any degree of honesty, you already know that there are some things we simply do not ever forgive, notwithstanding the doctrines of the Church and the principles of repentence. It seems to me that societies and cultures deem

RE: [ZION] Francie Ducros quits

2002-11-26 Thread Jim Cobabe
A much more important event-- http://deseretnews.com/dn/view/0,1249,450016822,00.html; University of Utah head football coach McBride is fired after beating BYU, and calling everyone at BYU morons. It is prudent to pay insults carefully these days. Never know when _your_ head might end up

RE: [ZION] Canadian fears

2002-11-26 Thread Jim Cobabe
Hmm... First, we simply misread. Wrong to assume that people engaged in politics are politicians. Next, we didn't comprehend the niceties of the highly sophisticated Canadian political machine. Then it was foolishly quoting idiosyncratic definitions from Merriam-Webtster's Dictionary. Now

[ZION] Women with false hopes

2002-11-26 Thread Jim Cobabe
Deseret News, Tuesday, November 26, 2002 Deseret News editorial Every now and then a study comes along that puts old problems in a new light. Last week, the Toledo Blade reported that a Bowling Green State University professor has found that while fewer cohabitating couples end up getting

RE: [ZION] Women with false hopes

2002-11-26 Thread Jim Cobabe
The irony is painful. Our society has willfully destroyed the stablity of families, compromising traditional marriage in the name of serving women's rights. Now the growing contingent of single women look back with nostalgia on the way things were, wondering why their lives can't work as

RE: [ZION] Francie Ducros quits

2002-11-27 Thread Jim Cobabe
Scott McGee wrote, about former Ute football coach: --- Neither of the reasons you mention were in fact reasons for him being fired. --- Ain't it the truth--and now everyone probably knows a lot more about this--and those inconsequential Canadian current events--than they ever cared to. I

[ZION] Temple service

2002-11-29 Thread Jim Cobabe
Paul, One of the first principles to serving in the Temple is to first be properly prepared. Make sure you're ready. Make sure you _know_ you're ready. Work with your bishop on this, he can really be a lot of help. When you both have determined that the time is right, then you can go

RE: [ZION] Canada: Bush is an idiot

2002-11-29 Thread Jim Cobabe
Stephen Beecroft wrote: --- Marc, I'm baffled at your insistent glee on this topic. --- Wresting a scriptural passage for particular emphasis-- But behold, it is the effect of a frenzied mind; and this derangement of your minds comes because of the traditions of Canadians and leftist

[ZION] Gore Endorses Canada's Medical System

2002-11-29 Thread Jim Cobabe
by William L. Anderson [Posted November 29, 2002] In a recent newspaper interview, Al Gore finally came out of the socialist closet and declared that the solution to what he deems as a crisis in U.S. medical care is for the government to impose a single payer system. While some folks might

[ZION] Gun control editorial

2002-11-29 Thread Jim Cobabe
Jewish World Review Nov. 27, 2002 / 22 Kislev 5763 Thomas Sowell Gun Control myths: Part II http://www.NewsAndOpinion.com Talking facts to gun control zealots is only likely to make them angry. But the rest of us need to know what the facts are. More than that, we need to know that much

[ZION] Other ordinances...

2002-11-29 Thread Jim Cobabe
Now a few words to the brethren and sisters upon the doctrine and ordinances of the house of God. All who have lived on the earth according to the best light they had, and would have received the fulness of the Gospel had it been preached to them, are worthy of a glorious resurrection, and

[ZION] LDS Writer Expects to Be Excommunicated

2002-11-30 Thread Jim Cobabe
Saturday, November 30, 2002 BY PATTY HENETZ THE ASSOCIATED PRESS A graduate student at the University of Washington says he likely will be excommunicated next week for articles he has written questioning the validity of the Book of Mormon. Thomas W. Murphy, 35, wrote an

RE: [ZION] LDS Writer Expects to Be Excommunicated

2002-12-01 Thread Jim Cobabe
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- Is there a link to the AP article (or others) or to the paper itself? --- http://www.sltrib.com/2002/nov/11302002/saturday/7024.htm // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// ///

[ZION] Secular dissonance

2002-12-01 Thread Jim Cobabe
This science study is only a minor skirmish, but a significant portent of things to come, nonetheless. As apologists for politically correct humanist ideals grow more agressive and dogmatic, there will be increasing tension between the secular and religious. In Salt Lake City, a troublesome

RE: [ZION] Canada: Your ignorance makes you look silly

2002-12-01 Thread Jim Cobabe
I've been thinking about this all day, and still cannot imagine how ignorance is reflected in one's appearance. To appear silly would seem not to be a very exacting quality. I would propose that we require some comparative or objective standard to judge the relative measure of silly

RE: [ZION] LDS Writer Expects to Be Excommunicated

2002-12-01 Thread Jim Cobabe
Not really anything new here. Just more evil detractors continuing the attempt to dilute and de-emphasise sacred doctrines of the Church, so that it becomes indistinguishable from other corrupt sects. It is becoming quite respectable in the intellectual crowd to maintain that the Book of

[ZION] Revisionist History

2002-12-01 Thread Jim Cobabe
A quote from Louis Midgley regarding those who question the Book of Mormon historicity--Sterling McMurrin, former philosophy prof at the University of Utah, typifies this crowd, and was the poster child of many of the current followers of the dissident camp. Revisionist History—The Great

[ZION] JS quote

2002-12-05 Thread Jim Cobabe
At this time, the truth on the guilty should not be told openly, strange as this may seem, yet this is a policy. We must use precaution in bringing sinners to justice, lest in exposing these heinous sins we draw the indignation of a Gentile world upon us (and, to their imagination, justly

[ZION] Tax the rich

2002-12-09 Thread Jim Cobabe
http://www.nytimes.com/2002/12/09/national/09CALI.html?ei=5006en=496fcc83eb784259ex=1040101200partner=ALTAVISTA1pagewanted=printposition=top; Tax the rich fiscal policy in left-most California faces financial ruin. Another failed socialist experiment. --- Mij Ebaboc

[ZION] SLC Main Street Plaza

2002-12-13 Thread Jim Cobabe
From: Rob Hanks [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu Dec 12, 2002 4:27 pm Subject: PLAZA UPDATE 12-12-02 FRIENDS OF MAIN STREET UPDATE - DEC 12, 2002 Thank you! Thank You! Thank You! Thanks for all of your signatures, e-mails, phone calls and letters to the Mayor and City Council in favor of

RE: [ZION] Jabberwocky

2002-12-13 Thread Jim Cobabe
Paul Osborne wrote: What does the following title mean? CLU, ChFC CLU - chartered life underwriter, CHFC - chartered financial consultant. The first equates to a couple of semesters of technical training courses in the life insurance business. The other is roughly equivalent to an

RE: [ZION] Banning motorcycles

2002-12-13 Thread Jim Cobabe
Tom, Please keep your wheels polished, be very careful navigating the stairs, and above all, see that you maintain the integrity of your integument at all times. (Can you really ride your Harley down the stairs? Imagine that!) --- Mij Ebaboc

RE: [ZION] Jabberwocky

2002-12-13 Thread Jim Cobabe
John W. Redelfs wrote: Here is what I think about the doctrine of the Holy Trinity: 'Twas brillig, and the slithy toves Did gyre and gimble in the wabe. All mimsy were the borogoves, And the mame raths outgrabe. It seems very pretty, but it's rather hard to understand! --- Mij Ebaboc

RE: [ZION] LOTR Two Towers

2002-12-14 Thread Jim Cobabe
All this hobbit business makes my feet itch! --- Mij Ebaboc // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html ///

RE: [ZION] Tumor rumors

2002-12-14 Thread Jim Cobabe
Paul Osborne wrote: tumor benign Glad to know it, and thank Heaven. We have plenty of trouble already in our lives without losing control of things at the cancer level. Some of those benign tumors can be worrisome. Paul, my dad's nephew George Cobabe says he has met your vitual self.

[ZION] algore

2002-12-15 Thread Jim Cobabe
Apparently Al Gore will announce that he won't be in the run for President in 2004. Perhaps now the Dems will promote someone decent. --- Mij Ebaboc // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// ///

[ZION] New Main Street Plaza proposal

2002-12-16 Thread Jim Cobabe
SLC Mayor Rocky Anderson just announced a new proposed plan to settle the Main Street Plaza legal controversy. It appears that Mayor Rocky is ready to concede that the Church should have full control of Plaza access, and in exchange for offering this compromise, he suggests that the Church

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