Re: [ZION] Looking for Software

2002-09-25 Thread Jon Spencer
If I remember correctly, this CD was pulled prior to the mags becoming available on the web. I could not find it online. My suggestion is to call the distribution center at 1-800-537-5971 Jon - Original Message - From: John W. Redelfs [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent:

Re: [ZION] War on Iraq

2002-09-27 Thread Jon Spencer
Good points and analysis. Let's move to more nuclear and solar and fuel cell energy and let the Saudis sink into their own cesspool. of course, we may have another Iraq to deal with, but, then, that will give us something to argue about. Jon Gary Smith wrote: Let's see: 17 of 19 hijackers

Re: [ZION] War on Iraq

2002-09-27 Thread Jon Spencer
You know, we haven't found Jimmy Hoffa's body either. Actually, I have it on good authority that OBL is now rooming with Elvis and Jimmy Hoffa. Jon John W. Redelfs wrote: At 04:50 PM 9/27/02 -0600 Marc A. Schindler favored us with: On the WTC. But he orchestrated the first WTC bombing and

Re: [ZION] Ivory Coast - who goes?

2002-10-01 Thread Jon Spencer
Call their embassy in D.C. John's not worried about it because he assumes the US is meddling. Marc and I already know, but didn't care enough to save the source of the info. No one else apparently is worried about it, being more concerned about the machinations going on in NJ to subvert the

Re: [ZION] maps

2002-10-01 Thread Jon Spencer
This is the follow on to Charting the Book of Mormon, which is also quite useful. As long as one is careful to avoiding becoming wise, but instead endeavors to immerse oneself in the culture and background of the specific set of scriptures, and in the correlations that abound therein, these

Re: [ZION] Ways food storage could be activated

2002-10-02 Thread Jon Spencer
Yea, John, give them thar Canadians a break, eh? Frankly, I would rather that they slaughter the criminals over there, rather than have more come over here and slaughter more of us. Besides, with the mighty armed services that Canada has (a TOTAL of 55,000), they couldn't even muster up another

Re: [ZION] Tariffs and War

2002-10-02 Thread Jon Spencer
John, I hesitate to get into this, but your rhetoric lately mystifies me. What exactly do you mean by pick a fight? OK, you believe that President Bush is lying and that he is out of control. Fine. You believe that no one is out to get us (remember, even paranoids have enemies). Fine. You

Re: [ZION] Ways food storage could be activated

2002-10-02 Thread Jon Spencer
John W. Redelfs wrote: I'll bet they could whip the Mexican army if they were to invade. grin --JWR Now perhaps here is where you and I may agree. However, given that the Mexican army is invading Arizona quite successfully on an ongoing basis, maybe they might night win. Jon

Re: [ZION] Honorable Nations

2002-10-03 Thread Jon Spencer
and my response, and try again. Jon Marc A. Schindler wrote: Jon Spencer wrote: It is nice to know that John thinks that there are no moral people anywhere in the world (does that include you, John?) I personally take exception to this, because here our or little part of the vineyard

Re: [ZION] Iraq and war

2002-10-04 Thread Jon Spencer
Actually, I do agree that this is a big mistake. Since probably at most only 1/2 of your armed forces are fighting forces, when the Mexican army reaches your border with the US, you may really miss those 2,000. Jon Marc A. Schindler wrote: Canada ready to send 2 000 troops along with US

Re: [ZION] A Saint First, Then an American

2002-10-04 Thread Jon Spencer
I am an American Saint. The two go together and should cause no one angst, even Canadian Saints, or American Saints living in Japan. Jon Grampa Bill wrote: Our BLT wrote: I am a saint first, and then an American. I hope we all feel that way. === Grampa Bill

Re: [ZION] Chuckle

2002-10-04 Thread Jon Spencer
Have you submitted these to the Professor from England (who may indeed be an English professor)? The article you referred us to said that Canadians had the worst sense of humor, but this one about Grandpa is funnier than the NJ joke. Jon Marc A. Schindler wrote: My Dad's new .sig file: I

Re: [ZION] Invading Canadian bacon

2002-10-04 Thread Jon Spencer
It's called manifest destiny. The main reason that we don't invade Canada is Quebec. I can think of 5 or 6 punch lines to this sentence, but I'll open this contest up to the entire list. What we really need on this list is a Saint from Quebec. Marc, can you recruit one? Jon Gary Smith

Re: [ZION] A Saint First, Then an American

2002-10-04 Thread Jon Spencer
That thar's the basis for strife. Or as UBL would say Christianity is a false religion. Ours is true. It makes all the difference. --UBL Jon John W. Redelfs wrote: At 10:05 PM 10/3/02 -0400 Grampa Bill favored us with: Grampa Bill comments: I do. But in all candor, I must admit that

Re: [ZION] War in Iraq

2002-10-12 Thread Jon Spencer
I do, and this one's OK. I'll let you know if things change. Jon Marc A. Schindler wrote: Is the US's goal as benevolent as George Bush would like to make it seem? Who guards the guardians in a world police state? /

Re: [ZION] Elder Nelson misquoted

2002-10-14 Thread Jon Spencer
Ad hominem is an odd thing to put in here, and it is put in incorrectly, I might add. But it appears to me that you chose to let things go until they get out of hand, assuring us that they will not. I chose to support the view that they are already out of hand and will get much worse. Saddam's

Re: [ZION] Attack Iraq?

2002-10-14 Thread Jon Spencer
Good post, and thanks for finding what I knew was in the Book of Mormon, but couldn't think of it. My son should have, though, because Captain Moroni is his hero. And note, he also wants to attend West Point, and I don't really know which came first, but I think it was Capt. M. I am eagerly

Re: [ZION] Colorado City

2002-10-14 Thread Jon Spencer
Only if Bush puts Janet Reno back in as AG. Jon Steven wrote: Is Colorado City (or Hildale Utah) the next Waco? / /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html ///

Re: [ZION] The Rulers of Darkness

2002-10-15 Thread Jon Spencer
I'm sorry that I'm being offensive, but sometimes it just cannot be avoided. Ignorant people are getting us into a war that is not in the national interest. I ain't igerint! You stop tellin that right now! Jon /

[ZION] New scripture

2002-10-15 Thread Jon Spencer
My wife just received a letter from Church Distribution to our bookstore outlining the changes in their scripture lines. There are only two changes to the contents of the scriptures: 1. Doctrine and Covenants Section 139, the revelation on members being required to purchase a white minivan

Re: [ZION] New scripture

2002-10-15 Thread Jon Spencer
That's easy - repent! And buy a can of white spray paint. Jon OK, I can LIVE with AoF #14 (actually I DO live with it vbg), but doggoneit, I just bought a RED minivan in July!! NOW what? / /// ZION LIST CHARTER:

Re: [ZION] Irregardless, the term is regardless

2002-10-16 Thread Jon Spencer
Nobody don't no longer care about good grammar no more. It bugs me to no end that the ads on TV are full of incorrect grammar. I suppose they do it so as to appeal to the common man or some other such stupidity. Exactly how hard is it to use an adverb where it belongs, rather than using an

Re: [ZION] Irregardless, the term is regardless

2002-10-16 Thread Jon Spencer
Dictionaries are simply compendiums of common usage; they are not authoritative, unless you are playing Scrabble. Ain't is in the dictionary. So what? Jon Paul Osborne wrote: Noticed someone used a term that is a pet peeve of mine. Technically, the term irregardless is bad grammar. To be

Re: [ZION] Hindsight

2002-10-16 Thread Jon Spencer
I would do a complete flip-flop on war with Iraq if the Lord commanded us. But to the best of my knowledge he has not, has he? --JWR You need not be commanded in all things. Some things are obvious! :-) Jon / ///

Re: [ZION] Hindsight

2002-10-16 Thread Jon Spencer
John - Surely you miswrote! Are you trying to say that the Nephites were at war with terrorists (the Gadiantons)? Or are you saying that the only time the Nephites struck out at the Gadiantons was when the Lamanites were also attacking the Nephites? If so, then its back to the Book of Mormon

Re: [ZION] Hindsight

2002-10-16 Thread Jon Spencer
Marc A. Schindler wrote: DC states clearly that if we follow his conditions, he'll fight out battles for us. Doesn't God do most of His work through us? Jon / /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// ///

Re: [ZION] Tweaking Canada

2002-10-23 Thread Jon Spencer
Marc - I congratulate you on an excellent self-analysis, and I do mean this as a compliment. Now, repent! :-) Jon Marc A. Schindler wrote: I think it's time I correct an impression that I somehow have an anti-US bias. I can see how that would come out, and those of you who know me from

Re: [ZION] Voting and parties

2002-10-23 Thread Jon Spencer
In a primary election where people are voting to select a candidate to run in the general election, only members of a particular party should be able to select their party's candidate. At least, that is my opinion. Unfortunately, people with an agenda have changed this in many states. Of course,

Re: [ZION] Jimmy Carter - Nobel winner

2002-10-23 Thread Jon Spencer
Gary Smith wrote: The reality is, the proof is in the pudding. Arg! I have heard so many people say this lately, and it is just plain wrong! It doesn't mean anything! I have it on EXPERT advice that the proper saying is The proof of the pudding is in the eating. This DOES make sense. This

Re: [ZION] What's the point of high priests?

2002-10-21 Thread Jon Spencer
I hate to burst your bubble, but truth must prevail! I am 54, and most people peg me at between 35 and 40. Of course, it does help that I have teenage boys, and that I beat all of the TQ members on our 25 mile bike ride last Saturday by a total of about 30 minutes, with 15 minutes coming on the

Re: [ZION] Elder's Quorum

2002-10-21 Thread Jon Spencer
Paul Osborne wrote: O my. Shame on you Gary for listening to that kind of music. I prefer Led Zeppelin, Black Sabbath, Alice Cooper, Pink Floyd and Deep Purple. Most of my mates in the EQ do too. It's nice to have things in common. :-) U I, too, love Led Zeppelin, from my past days

Re: [ZION] What's the point of high priests?

2002-10-21 Thread Jon Spencer
Actually, I think that he may have been referring to the quote in Section 121 about High Priests, Many are called, but most are dozin' And if he tries any of that unrighteous dominion stuff around here Nancy, wife of the still squirming Jon Paul Osborne wrote: Hmmm - my husband is

Re: [ZION] Stop kicking the stuffing out of Turkey

2002-10-21 Thread Jon Spencer
Does this mean that I am a nakedly polytheistic brother of Satan? Cool! I never thought about it that way. But as I grow older, I have a harder and harder time twisting. Does that mean I will someday lose my temple recommend? Jon So when the anti-Mormons say, Those twisted Mormons get NAKED

Re: [ZION] High priests

2002-10-22 Thread Jon Spencer
Till - every time we went over this handshake I tried to wake you up, but to no avail. I would have had your home teacher go over it with you, but we can only teach it in the HP group meeting. Noj Elmer L. Fairbank wrote: At 07:59 10/21/2002 -0500, Gary wrote: And yes, we have a secret

Re: Voting and parties (was Re: [ZION] Cuba and Castro)

2002-10-24 Thread Jon Spencer
Never, or when you die, or when Christ returns, whichever comes first. Jon Cousin Bill wrote: At some point in the past, Mark wrote: Bill brings up an interesting point. Is it a good idea to work within a party in order to change it? Presumably the answer is yes. What if the party

Re: [ZION] Archaeology breakthrough--dramatic transitional forms

2002-11-05 Thread Jon Spencer
One must be careful to note, however, that if it were my ancestors who made those drawings, they had better not depend upon their accuracy. If I were to draw a picture of modern sheep today, it could definitely be used to prove that there was an evolutionary transition which occurred today! Jon

Re: [ZION] Global Warming

2002-11-06 Thread Jon Spencer
I can assure you that if it were not for the DNC and the Sierra Club, not to mention Greenpeace, that glacier would be shrinking so fast your home would be beachfront property. However, now that the Reps have the Senate, say goodbye to that glacier. Noj JWR wrote: We have a glacier up here in

Re: [ZION] Taliban in Pakistan

2002-11-06 Thread Jon Spencer
Who objected to Marc's obvious statement? The Taliban was put in power by people in Pakistan. This is a real Duh!. By the way, are you advocating that we attack Pakistan first, and THEN Iraq? I have a better idea. First, we'll attack Israel - that will completely fool the fake Islamists and

Re: [ZION] Supreme Court: Boy Scouts

2002-11-06 Thread Jon Spencer
Very old news. But if 5-4 switches to 4-5, we are ready with Duty to God. Jon Sandy Rabinowitz wrote: I think this is recent news, but I'm not sure. I didn't see this reported on any of the usual news sites that I read through. It appears the Supreme Court has ruled in favor of the

Re: [ZION] Antigravity

2002-11-06 Thread Jon Spencer
I have supreme confidence that the Lord knows what He is doing. I also feel confident that He is happy that we are trying to understand it. As long as I have been studying science, the assumption that physical laws are constant across time and space has always been held to be tenuous, subject to

Re: [ZION] Taliban in Pakistan

2002-11-06 Thread Jon Spencer
That has always been their goal, just as it is our goal. It's the means that are important. There are many good Moslems who want to take over the world just as we do (start buildin' them thar fonts). Then there are the rest. We do need to be careful not to throw the baby out with the

Re: [ZION] Taliban in Pakistan

2002-11-06 Thread Jon Spencer
I figured that if I added the France option, people would get the what I thought to be obvious facetiousness, given John's well stated objection to any preemptive strikes. (Of course, I don't think that they are preemptive, but reasonable people can disagree; thus John and I can CLEARLY

Re: [ZION] Taliban in Pakistan

2002-11-06 Thread Jon Spencer
plus extremist clerics, using US taxpayer dollars, who put the Taliban into power. This is Manuel Noriega all over again. Jon Spencer wrote: Who objected to Marc's obvious statement? The Taliban was put in power by people in Pakistan. This is a real Duh!. By the way, are you advocating

Re: [ZION] Taliban in Pakistan

2002-11-06 Thread Jon Spencer
They are in Pakistan, not Afghanistan. And by the way, as W said, this will take a long time. Afghanistan will not be converted overnight from a hellhole to a place of peace and tranquility. However, I look forward to the day when we can send missionaries there. Jon Stacy Smith wrote: If

Re: [ZION] George III continues the tradition of malleable truth

2002-11-07 Thread Jon Spencer
NOW we're in the spirit of things! :-) Noj Stacy Smith wrote: Maybe not so rhetorical as really sarcastic. Stacy. / /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html

Re: [ZION] Taliban in Pakistan

2002-11-07 Thread Jon Spencer
OK, I'll bite. What should we do? And why do you think we are moving on (could you define that please?)? Jon Stacy Smith wrote: My point still holds even if they are no longer in Afghanistan. Why are we moving on? Stacy.

Re: [ZION] George III continues the tradition of malleable truth

2002-11-07 Thread Jon Spencer
Ahem, it is embarrassing when you dissimulate. We bought oil through the oil for food program, wherein the money is carefully tracked. And you are not so stupid as to not know that I am talking about the other type of transactions that these countries agreed not to do. Or am I incorrect in that

Re: [ZION] George III continues the tradition of malleable truth

2002-11-07 Thread Jon Spencer
Then there is ample justification in doing what we do! After all, bringing happiness to the world is an important role. Jon Stacy Smith said with great mirth: We are surely the laughingstock of the world and also many Americans, including me. Stacy.

Re: [ZION] Mission Call

2002-11-07 Thread Jon Spencer
The Lord knows what He is doing. Your daughter has now acquired all of the immunities she needs to perform an excellent job, just like her Dad would do. Thank her for her willingness to serve! Jon Till wrote: My daughter got her mission call yesterday, to Sao Paulo. She was basking in the

Re: [ZION] George III continues the tradition of malleable truth

2002-11-07 Thread Jon Spencer
Of course! I understood you completely. My statement still stands. What a narrow view of the charter of our church to think that we only desire to bring happiness to the select few! :-) Jon Stacy Smith wrote: I didn't mean LDS; I meant us as a larger part of Americans. Stacy. At 07:43

Re: [ZION] George III continues the tradition of malleable truth

2002-11-07 Thread Jon Spencer
And as we are taught by the Lord, I am turning that scorn into a blessing to the world! Jon Stacy Smith wrote: P.S.: I meant that remark rather scornfully. Stacy. At 07:43 AM 11/07/2002 -0500, you wrote: Then there is ample justification in doing what we do! After all, bringing

Re: [ZION] Taliban in Pakistan

2002-11-07 Thread Jon Spencer
You must be much more clear than you have been. Again, I ask, what do you mean by moving on. I can make lots of guesses, but you should know best what you mean. As an example of your lack of clarity, do you mean that we are turning our backs to the Taliban and assuming that they no longer pose

Re: [ZION] Taliban in Pakistan

2002-11-08 Thread Jon Spencer
Again, you fail to answer the question. Why do you say that we have left the job half done? What evidence do you have that nothing is happening against the Taliban. I see plenty happening. What in the world are you talking about I gave you several options to choose from and you didn't

Re: [ZION] George III continues the tradition of malleable truth

2002-11-08 Thread Jon Spencer
Just to be clear, I was making fun of your statement. You say that we are the laughingstock of the world, and I just laugh at that (Ha ha! :-). The US is in a very difficult position of having sufficient power to destroy most any enemy, but having no desire to simply crush an entire country (and

Re: [ZION] George III continues the tradition of malleable truth

2002-11-08 Thread Jon Spencer
I expect that sometime in the future, sooner or later, the power of the US will dwindle and someone else will rise to preeminence. That will clearly be a hard pill to swallow. But it hasn't happened yet, so let's not worry too much about it. Jon Marc A. Schindler wrote in part: There's an

Re: [ZION] War Against All of Islam

2002-11-08 Thread Jon Spencer
It wouldn't matter if they did - they wouldn't honor them. Especially considering their votes today in the UN. Jon John W. Redelfs wrote: After much pondering, Stacy Smith favored us with: I basically believe we will attack and they in turn attack us. We will then incite the entire

Re: [ZION] Osama bin Laden

2002-11-08 Thread Jon Spencer
I am constantly amazed at the fuzzy thinking that some people exhibit by dragging up this obviously silly argument. Now let me get this straight by using another example that, I believe, is entirely analogous. We have a war against crime in the US. It has been going on for as long as the US has

Re: [ZION] Mars Attacks

2002-11-08 Thread Jon Spencer
I know that you are being facetious here, but I truly hope that this is not your dream. If this were to happen, you would lose all of your sacred privileges and rights, and the US would be overtaken by the criminals among us, including those who would like to redistribute your vast wealth. Jon

Re: [ZION] Osama bin Laden

2002-11-08 Thread Jon Spencer
Unfortunately, the target is way out in LEFT field, a rather funny place for JWR to be shooting arrows! Jon My point exactly and right on target. Stacy. At 11:07 AM 11/07/2002 -0900, you wrote: Is everyone pretty convinced that Osama bin Laden is still alive? If he is, maybe we should

Re: [ZION] Home automation

2002-11-08 Thread Jon Spencer
Yep - I have automated quite a bit at our bookstore, and some at my home (because I can never get any time to finish it. What area do you have in mind? Jon Stephen Beecroft wrote: Anyone here interested in home automation? Anyone do any?

Re: [ZION] Taliban in Pakistan

2002-11-08 Thread Jon Spencer
John, you seem to have a really blind spot on this issue. This is really not like you - it has given you Alzheimer disease, I think. The video of USB claiming responsibility and talking about the plans ahead of time was played ad nauseum on the TV rag outlets. And while we do have an obligation

Re: [ZION] George III continues the tradition of malleable truth

2002-11-08 Thread Jon Spencer
You sexist pig! That should have been she he Jon Paul Osborne gloatingly wrote: he he / /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html ///

Re: [ZION] Taliban in Pakistan

2002-11-08 Thread Jon Spencer
And, to add to Marc's comments (don't faint, Marc :-), we would suffer greatly in both the short and the long run were we to so over-react. I believe that sometime soon, someone will use a tactical nuke to take out a carrier battlegroup - they have no other way of doing it. If we were to use

Re: [ZION] War Against All of Islam

2002-11-08 Thread Jon Spencer
of the new US resolution at the Security Council where they, along with the US, hold permanent seats. Jon Spencer wrote: It wouldn't matter if they did - they wouldn't honor them. Especially considering their votes today in the UN. Jon John W. Redelfs wrote: After much pondering, Stacy Smith

Re: [ZION] Taliban in Pakistan

2002-11-08 Thread Jon Spencer
I do not believe that you can use the WWII use of nukes as a precedent for any action today, unless we were again at that decision point. It is quite clear that the use of nukes in WWII saved many lives, both Japanese and American. When did we ever issue a real threat to use nukes since WWII?

Re: [ZION] War Against All of Islam

2002-11-08 Thread Jon Spencer
pondering, Jon Spencer favored us with: It wouldn't matter if they did - they wouldn't honor them. Especially considering their votes today in the UN. So you are absolutely sure that if we attack Iraq that no other country will get involved against us, is that right? --JWR

Re: [ZION] Taliban in Pakistan

2002-11-08 Thread Jon Spencer
When logic fails, attack! :-) Jon Marc A. Schindler wrote: If it's so smart, then you won't mind giving it all your money. Obviously it knows what to do with it better than you do. ;-) Paul Osborne wrote: After much pondering, Paul Osborne favored us with: The President of the United

Re: [ZION] Governing the Least

2002-11-08 Thread Jon Spencer
wrote: After much pondering, Jon Spencer favored us with: I know that you are being facetious here, but I truly hope that this is not your dream. If this were to happen, you would lose all of your sacred privileges and rights, and the US would be overtaken by the criminals among us, including

Re: [ZION] Taliban in Pakistan

2002-11-08 Thread Jon Spencer
Collateral damage would take on a whole new meaning! Jon Steven Montgomery wrote: Not only that but what about the innocents who would undoubtedly lose their lives in such an attack? -- Steven Montgomery At 10:09 AM 11/8/2002, you wrote: You weren't attacked by a nation. That's the problem.

Re: [ZION] Taliban in Pakistan

2002-11-08 Thread Jon Spencer
, I don't really call that winning. Stacy. At 10:04 AM 11/08/2002 -0900, you wrote: After much pondering, Jon Spencer favored us with: I can respect your opposition to the way things are going, and part of me agrees with you - but only part. I hope, along with you, that your

Re: [ZION] Taliban in Pakistan

2002-11-08 Thread Jon Spencer
And we're diggin' as fast as we can, right? :-) Jon John W. Redelfs wrote: We already have the moral low ground. --JWR / /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html

Re: [ZION] Fwd: Your Consideration.

2002-11-08 Thread Jon Spencer
I get so many that I would be considered a spam source were I to forward them all. Jon Marc A. Schindler wrote: You might want to forward this to the FBI. At least I assume they have a unit covering the Nigerian scam. The Mounties do, and Canadians are encouraged to forward emails, with

Re: [ZION] War Against All of Islam

2002-11-08 Thread Jon Spencer
Ah, but I would (be so sure of that)! You see, unlike some on this list, I am willing to be led by President Bush. I believe that he is honest and sincere, and that he is no idiot. I don't take everything as gospel, and I don't agree with some of what he wants to do, but he will not lead us

Re: [ZION] Taliban in Pakistan

2002-11-08 Thread Jon Spencer
Right. Uh huh. Sure. I don't think so. There was no credible threat of the use nukes by the US in the Korean War, and no threat whatsoever, other than accusations of such from the left, during the Gulf War. Jon Mark Gregson wrote: When did we ever issue a real threat to use nukes since

Re: [ZION] Taliban in Pakistan

2002-11-08 Thread Jon Spencer
The Lord will restore them to perfect bodies if needed. He's a really nice guy, I hear. Or perhaps they will have gifts or powers that renders their disability irrelevant. Jon Stacy Smith wrote: If I can't understand how eight people survived after the ark, how will I be able to understand

Re: [ZION] Taliban in Pakistan

2002-11-08 Thread Jon Spencer
In one sense -the temporal one - I agree with you. I understand that you are blind. To me, that would be devastating at first. I would hope that I could learn to cope. But I do believe that no matter how hard things were, it would be somehow fulfilling to be a part of the final struggle, so

Re: [ZION] War Against All of Islam

2002-11-08 Thread Jon Spencer
Dan R Allen wrote: Dan: As do I, although I'm not so sure that won't lead us into untenable situations - mainly because his decisions are only going to be as good as his sources. True, but I think that he is fairly wide about which sources to trust. At least, that's how it appears to me at

Re: [ZION] War Against All of Islam

2002-11-08 Thread Jon Spencer
But we have both! Jon I'd rather have Hinckley than Bush. Stacy. / /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html ///

Re: [ZION] Taliban in Pakistan

2002-11-08 Thread Jon Spencer
I was hoping for some. Actually, I have given quite a bit of thought to this question, and I have had a very difficult time with it. Jon After much pondering, Jon Spencer favored us with: I see nothing in the scriptures which says that we should not preemptively defend ourselves, and ONE HAS

Re: [ZION] Taliban in Pakistan

2002-11-08 Thread Jon Spencer
have some concept of what hell must be like. Jon John W. Redelfs wrote: After much pondering, Jon Spencer favored us with: There is no other side of the world anymore, or hadn't you noticed. Of course, it is probably easier to get to North Carolina from Baghdad than from where you live, but I

Re: [ZION] Taliban in Pakistan

2002-11-08 Thread Jon Spencer
be considered a blessing by those people. We have never done anything like that, and while I live and breathe we never will. No, it is no rationalization. Jon John W. Redelfs wrote: After much pondering, Jon Spencer favored us with: I do not believe that you can use the WWII use of nukes

Re: [ZION] War Against All of Islam

2002-11-08 Thread Jon Spencer
I am happy and humbled to have been of such great service to you! Let me know, and I will repeat my performance for you. Jon John W. Redelfs wrote: You have no idea how that puts my mind at ease. I cannot tell you how glad I am that I live in a day when wars are carefully controlled

Re: [ZION] Taliban in Pakistan

2002-11-08 Thread Jon Spencer
Actually, dirty bombs are not a big deal from a radioactivity point of view. If one is exposed to a dirty nuke, one only has to get to a complete shower (at home will do just fine) within a couple of hours, and there will be no long term effects. The cleanup will be a pain to be sure, but not a

Re: [ZION] War Against All of Islam

2002-11-08 Thread Jon Spencer
Commonwealth. However, the rant and rave that I hear from the left is that that is not an international coalition. Well, now we seem to be gaining one. Just like then. After you refresh your recollections, you can thank me for helping restore your memory! :-) Jon Marc A. Schindler wrote: Jon

Re: [ZION] Taliban in Pakistan

2002-11-09 Thread Jon Spencer
You know you have been hit because there is a great big explosion, and the guys with the Geiger counters say pops! That's how you know. What are you talking about with the Japanese??? Do you actually know what a dirty bomb is? It is a conventional explosive with radioactive material

Re: [ZION] War Against All of Islam

2002-11-09 Thread Jon Spencer
My suggestion is to FIRST elect GBH and THEN get rid of Bush. Jon Let's get rid of Bush and elect Hinckley. I should have written his name in. Stacy. At 01:31 AM 11/09/2002 -0500, you wrote: But we have both! Jon I'd rather have Hinckley than Bush. Stacy.

Re: [ZION] Taliban in Pakistan

2002-11-09 Thread Jon Spencer
I noted on this list many years ago, that BH Liddell Hart wrote a book in the late 60's or early 70's, I think, called A History of the Second World War in which much of this was disclosed. The Japanese tried to get to the US by going through the Soviets, who, for their own imperialistic reasons,

Re: [ZION] Governing the Least

2002-11-09 Thread Jon Spencer
Just shows to go that if the world were full of smart and humble people, they would have long ago adopted our divinely inspired Constitution. Marc A. Schindler silently wrote: Here's the sound of begging: Jim Cobabe wrote: John W. Redelfs

Re: [ZION] Taliban in Pakistan

2002-11-09 Thread Jon Spencer
, but it ate away most of his genitals and lower abdomen skin. Very gruesome. If you get it in your lungs there's no immediate problem, but your chance of getting lung cancer skyrockets. Jon Spencer wrote: Actually, dirty bombs are not a big deal from a radioactivity point of view. If one is exposed

Re: [ZION] War Against All of Islam

2002-11-09 Thread Jon Spencer
was in place. And Canadian, Australian and British ships can't sail any faster than their U.S. counterparts -- they headed for the Gulf months ahead of time, just like the U.S. forces did. Jon Spencer wrote: Marc, that's great! You can now go to those books and read how we put people

Re: [ZION] Liberal dems unveil...

2002-11-09 Thread Jon Spencer
: [ZION] Liberal dems unveil... Jon Spencer wrote: You sound quite a bit like McAuliffe and Daschle! Blame is a liberal vice. You'd never know that by hanging out around here :-/ Bush has total control of the Administration and Congress, but there's still bugbears under your bed, it seems

Re: [ZION] Taliban in Pakistan

2002-11-09 Thread Jon Spencer
was clearly correct in warning us against beer but not against nuke power plants. Jon - Original Message - From: Jim Cobabe [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, November 09, 2002 2:08 PM Subject: RE: [ZION] Taliban in Pakistan Jon Spencer wrote: --- Of course

Re: [ZION] Japan

2002-11-12 Thread Jon Spencer
Just a little side note about Japanese treatment of POWs and a little more. 57% of the POWs held by Japan died. A little less than 1% of the POWs held by Germany and the horrid Hitler died. The world pursued the German war criminals for 50+ years; the Japanese war criminals pretty much were

Re: [ZION] Answer to life

2002-11-12 Thread Jon Spencer
The question is: What is 9 times 6? Jon Gary Smith wrote: Ahh, that's true. But what is the question It's kind of like saying that the answer to life, the universe and everything is 42. Sign Up

Re: [ZION] One Party Rule?

2002-11-12 Thread Jon Spencer
Then I think that ALL Utah Mormons should be ex'ed. Hmmm - good bye President Hinckley. OK, so that won't work. How about this? Set up a booth in the malls which will give $100 to anyone with a temple recommend. Collect the names. After a few weeks, ex them all! Yes! By the way, when I get

Re: [ZION] One Party Rule?

2002-11-12 Thread Jon Spencer
But how do you know that then is not now? Jon Marc A. Schindler wrote: Maybe. But that will be then. This is now, and we're to listen to the counsel we're given now. Jim Cobabe wrote: One party rule will eventually fulfil the prophetic vision of early Church leaders. There will be only one

Re: [ZION] Truman (was Taliban in pakistan)

2002-11-12 Thread Jon Spencer
You see what happens when we get a person perfectly fitted to be a prophet, and make him a US President? :-) Jon Wilford Woodruff divided the nations after WWI, including making a new nation called Yugoslavia. He did? grin If so, he must have done so as a resurrected being. ;-)

Re: [ZION] Social Mormons (was: Liberal dems unveil...)

2002-11-12 Thread Jon Spencer
Hmmm. It seems to me that the phrase should not be used only from that time period means that they should not be used EXCEPT. You mileage, as always, may vary. Jon John W. Redelfs wrote: After much pondering, Jon Spencer favored us with: So exactly what does (paraphrasing from memory

Re: [ZION] Truman (was Taliban in pakistan)

2002-11-12 Thread Jon Spencer
How? Would they have built 30 million junks and sailed across the oceans? All that we really needed to do was to destroy the bridges and keep them out of commission, and we would have been OK. As always, dictators only threaten when it is to their advantage, and seldom if ever our of pure

Re: [ZION] Modest attire fashion show

2002-11-12 Thread Jon Spencer
My mother-in-law, not a member, saved an article on this from the Charlotte observer and gave it to my wife. We found the manufacturer and have arranged to carry their lines (if we can cough up the cash to fund yet another venture :-). There is a market for this type of dress here in the South

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