[ZION] Introduction

2003-11-03 Thread Ron Scott
. Some have felt there is some possibility of that. --Ron Scott Responds-- I'm not sure whether the last sentence above refers to President Hinckley's ego, or that some here felt I may be willing to share my impressions of him. I'll assume it's a reference to both. Some background: GBH was my dad's

RE: [ZION] Wish List

2003-11-04 Thread Ron Scott
-Original Message- From: Steven Montgomery [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2003 8:31 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [ZION] Wish List At 02:52 PM 11/3/2003, you wrote: Yes, I had heard. In fact, I resubbed to Zion a while ago to express my

RE: [ZION] Cognitive Dissonance

2003-11-04 Thread Ron Scott
-Original Message- From: Ronn! Blankenship [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2003 6:32 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [ZION] Cognitive Dissonance At 04:19 AM 11/4/03 -0700, Tom Matkin wrote: I wish I could say that this malopropism was intentional.

RE: [ZION] Cognitive Dissonance

2003-11-04 Thread Ron Scott
-Original Message- From: Tom Matkin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2003 8:39 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [ZION] Cognitive Dissonance - But the Book of Mormon is still the Word of God, right? --JWR Yes. And it tells us all about the sons

RE: [ZION] Wish List

2003-11-04 Thread Ron Scott
ill-suited for each other. I can not imagine why JWR asked me back. Perhaps he has something perverse up his sleeve. Ya think? Best, Ron Scott -Original Message- From: Valerie Nielsen Williams [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 03, 2003 5:23 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED

RE: [ZION] Welcome to the List, Ron

2003-11-04 Thread Ron Scott
, President Hinckley's laughter could be heard up and down the halls of 47EST. Ron -Original Message- From: John W. Redelfs [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2003 2:57 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [ZION] Welcome to the List, Ron Ron Scott wrote: Yes, I'm

RE: [ZION] Is God's Love Unconditional?

2003-11-04 Thread Ron Scott
-Original Message- From: John W. Redelfs [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2003 7:03 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [ZION] Is God's Love Unconditional? In the February ENSIGN, Elder Russell M. Nelson of the Quorum of the Twelve wrote an article in which

RE: [ZION] Is God's Love Unconditional?

2003-11-04 Thread Ron Scott
-Original Message- From: John W. Redelfs [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2003 9:29 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [ZION] Is God's Love Unconditional? Ron Scott wrote: There is a current piece in Ensign that confuses unconditional love and blessing

RE: [ZION] Whom God hateth

2003-11-05 Thread Ron Scott
-Original Message- From: Stephen Beecroft [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2003 10:15 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [ZION] Whom God hateth Still, God has seen fit to represent his feeling as hatred, so I don't think we have much business telling him he's

RE: [ZION] Whom God hateth

2003-11-05 Thread Ron Scott
-Original Message- From: John W. Redelfs [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2003 10:51 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [ZION] Whom God hateth Stephen Beecroft wrote: Still, God has seen fit to represent his feeling as hatred, so I don't think we have

RE: [ZION] Official Church Doctrine #1

2003-11-05 Thread Ron Scott
-Original Message- From: John W. Redelfs [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2003 10:43 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [ZION] Official Church Doctrine #1 Anything controversial here? I don't think so. And yet we are the only Church upon the earth that

RE: [ZION] Is God's Love Unconditional?

2003-11-05 Thread Ron Scott
-Original Message- From: George Cobabe [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2003 10:47 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [ZION] Is God's Love Unconditional? Ron, You may be right. As a matter of fact I agree with you. However, Elder Nelson does not. He

RE: [ZION] A Question for George

2003-11-05 Thread Ron Scott
-Original Message- From: John W. Redelfs [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2003 10:10 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [ZION] A Question for George SNIP Well, good doctrine drives out bad, and vice versa. We are not free to just believe whatever we want.

RE: [ZION] change the subject

2003-11-05 Thread Ron Scott
-Original Message- From: Rusty Taylor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 9:02 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [ZION] change the subject it appears to me, that this subject of adultery and repentance is one where we will just have to agree to

RE: [ZION] Official Church Doctrine #1

2003-11-05 Thread Ron Scott
- From: Ron Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 5:05 AM Subject: RE: [ZION] Official Church Doctrine #1 -Original Message- From: John W. Redelfs [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2003 10:43 PM

RE: [ZION] Starts with G Green House Gas

2003-11-05 Thread Ron Scott
-Original Message- From: Tom Matkin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 11:53 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [ZION] Starts with G Green House Gas Swans are Everything, Everything I Wish I Could Be by Tom Matkin, October 25, 2001 I'll bet a day

RE: [ZION] Definitions (was: RE: Eternal Life vs. Immortality)

2003-11-05 Thread Ron Scott
-Original Message- From: Stephen Beecroft [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 12:15 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [ZION] Definitions (was: RE: Eternal Life vs. Immortality) SNIP I believe this is the case with God's hatred of sinful and unrepentant

RE: [ZION] A Question for George

2003-11-05 Thread Ron Scott
-Original Message- From: John W. Redelfs [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 6:05 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [ZION] A Question for George Ron Scott wrote: Well, good doctrine drives out bad, and vice versa. We are not free to just

RE: [ZION] Repentance from adultery (was: RE: Is God's Love Unconditional?)

2003-11-05 Thread Ron Scott
-Original Message- From: John W. Redelfs [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 6:42 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [ZION] Repentance from adultery (was: RE: Is God's Love Unconditional?) Ron Scott wrote: The scripture above deliniates how

RE: [ZION] Official Church Doctrine #1

2003-11-05 Thread Ron Scott
-Original Message- From: John W. Redelfs [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 7:04 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [ZION] Official Church Doctrine #1 Ron Scott wrote: Was Mother Theresa more righteous or just more famous for her righteousness

[ZION] Beholder of Zion

2003-11-05 Thread Ron Scott
At the present, I'm editing some short stories, columns, poems etc. for an proposed anthology. I thought some of you may enjoy this short piece, relevant somewhat to our discussions today. A BEHOLDER OF ZION By RB Scott ©2003, 1986 Cee's love for her Manhattan was not unlike Jed’s for

RE: [ZION] Official Doctrine #1

2003-11-05 Thread Ron Scott
Gary: Thank you very much. I couldn't have said it better myself. But I'll add one thing: I have a hunch that in the final analysis her life-long goodness renders her doctrinal deficenies if not meanignless then very surmountable. But that's just one man's opinion. Ron -Original

RE: [ZION] A Question for George

2003-11-05 Thread Ron Scott
Are you suggesting the radical idea and true faith embodies good works performed joyfully? What a radical you are! -Original Message- From: Gerald Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 9:29 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [ZION] A Question for George

RE: [ZION] Official Church Doctrine #1

2003-11-05 Thread Ron Scott
-Original Message- From: John W. Redelfs [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 7:48 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [ZION] Official Church Doctrine #1 Ron Scott wrote: You solicited a judgement. Sure I knew it was bait. A possible sandbag

RE: [ZION] Official Doctrine #1

2003-11-05 Thread Ron Scott
-Original Message- From: John W. Redelfs [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 10:17 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [ZION] Official Doctrine #1 Ron Scott wrote: Thank you very much. I couldn't have said it better myself. But I'll add one thing: I

RE: [ZION] Christlike Love and Devoted Service

2003-11-06 Thread Ron Scott
That one I'll give you.. -Original Message- From: John W. Redelfs [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 10:45 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [ZION] Christlike Love and Devoted Service What is the greater feat, feeding the starving of India, or putting

RE: [ZION] Love is...

2003-11-06 Thread Ron Scott
One of my favorites too, ambiguous though it may be, amiguous as love is. -Original Message- From: Jim Cobabe [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 10:46 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [ZION] Love is... One of my favorite characterizations of love is

RE: [ZION] Official Doctrine #1

2003-11-06 Thread Ron Scott
: [ZION] Official Doctrine #1 Absolutely true, but she will still need a teacher. She will still have to listen to the missionaries and accept the truth. Short cuts? Maybe, but she will still have to go through the hoops. George - Original Message - From: Ron Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED

[ZION] Downeast (Was: Official doctrine...)

2003-11-06 Thread Ron Scott
baptized: I wish I had as much faith as some of the people we are teaching. It really makes me feel guilty because I'm the teacher, the one who should have the most faith of all, but yet I don't. I'll continue to work on it. Interesting, revealing observation -- to me, at least. Ron Scott

RE: [ZION] Nehors - was: Unconditional Love

2003-11-06 Thread Ron Scott
, and perhaps a few others, please refine your alarm. Give us specific examples of the kinds of apostates we have today (as foretold in the Book of Mormon) and how secular humanism and athiesm are bigger threats to us today than they were, say, a couple of hundred years ago. Ron Scott Sure

RE: [ZION] Definitions

2003-11-06 Thread Ron Scott
-Original Message- From: Steven Montgomery [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 9:38 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [ZION] Definitions At 07:22 PM 11/5/2003, you wrote: I think that just as there are true doctrines and the twisted apostate faux

RE: [ZION] Nehors - was: Unconditional Love

2003-11-06 Thread Ron Scott
. Therefore, your fear of a resurgence is not supported by history. We've been there, done that and survived quite nicely. To me such worries have a familiar John Birchian ring to them, no offense intended. Ron Scott // /// ZION

RE: [ZION] Definitions

2003-11-06 Thread Ron Scott
-Original Message- From: Steven Montgomery [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 9:59 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [ZION] Definitions At 07:56 AM 11/6/2003, you wrote: -Original Message- From: Steven Montgomery [mailto:[EMAIL

RE: [ZION] Nehors - was: Unconditional Love

2003-11-06 Thread Ron Scott
. Therefore, your fear of a resurgence is not supported by history. We've been there, done that and survived quite nicely. To me such worries have a familiar John Birchian ring to them, no offense intended. Ron Scott Actually, I think history supports me quite nicely. Yes? How? And I'll

RE: [ZION] Beholder of Zion

2003-11-06 Thread Ron Scott
maybe that was the point, I have no idea what Cee's love of Manhattan was really like either. Tom -Original Message- From: Ron Scott [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: November 5, 2003 5:36 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [ZION] Beholder of Zion At the present, I'm editing

RE: [ZION] Starts with G Giving

2003-11-06 Thread Ron Scott
You're giving spirit is, ah, catching. -Original Message- From: Tom Matkin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 10:48 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [ZION] Starts with G Giving This isn't the way I feel today, but it's a sentiment that I understand

RE: [ZION] Nehors - Humanism

2003-11-06 Thread Ron Scott
with the notion that diversity and tolerance do not need to add-up to mush music and even mushier religions. Ron Scott -Original Message- From: R. Kent Francis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 11:30 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [ZION] Nehors - Humanism Kent

RE: [ZION] Nehors - was: Unconditional Love

2003-11-06 Thread Ron Scott
-Original Message- From: John W. Redelfs [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 1:43 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [ZION] Nehors - was: Unconditional Love Ron Scott wrote: Well, by all means, clue them in as to what they've been missing. Be sure

RE: [ZION] Nehors - was: Unconditional Love

2003-11-06 Thread Ron Scott
-Original Message- From: Steven Montgomery [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 2:10 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [ZION] Nehors - was: Unconditional Love At 11:43 AM 11/6/2003, you wrote: Ron Scott wrote: Well, by all means, clue them

RE: [ZION] Official Doctrine #2

2003-11-06 Thread Ron Scott
What is this, some kind of litmus test? Please define new and everlasting covenant? -Original Message- From: John W. Redelfs [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 3:29 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [ZION] Official Doctrine #2 Eternal Marriage Is Essential

RE: [ZION] Nehors - was: Unconditional Love

2003-11-06 Thread Ron Scott
single prophet, beginning with Joseph Smith. But, that's just my opinion. Ron -Original Message- From: John W. Redelfs [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 3:18 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [ZION] Nehors - was: Unconditional Love Ron Scott wrote: Ah

RE: [ZION] Nehors - was: Unconditional Love

2003-11-06 Thread Ron Scott
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 2:10 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [ZION] Nehors - was: Unconditional Love At 11:43 AM 11/6/2003, you wrote: Ron Scott wrote: Well, by all means, clue them in as to what they've been missing. Be sure

RE: [ZION] Nehors - was: Unconditional Love

2003-11-06 Thread Ron Scott
more than they do the good he did for the church as an apostle. But I understand why that is the case. It also troubling that some members of the Church, particularly those with far right political views, think he is the only latter-day prophet worth listening to. Ron Scott -Original Message

RE: [ZION] Official Doctrine #2

2003-11-06 Thread Ron Scott
If that's how you define, eternal marriage between one man and one woman, then no problem. -Original Message- From: John W. Redelfs [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 5:42 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [ZION] Official Doctrine #2 Ron Scott wrote

RE: [ZION] Nehors - was: Unconditional Love

2003-11-06 Thread Ron Scott
-Original Message- From: John W. Redelfs [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 6:19 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [ZION] Nehors - was: Unconditional Love Ron Scott wrote: It also troubling that some members of the Church, particularly those

RE: [ZION] Official Doctrine #2

2003-11-06 Thread Ron Scott
For practical purposes, I'll stick with my previous statement -- one man, one woman -- if you don't mind. -Original Message- From: John W. Redelfs [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 6:42 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [ZION] Official Doctrine #2 Ron

RE: [ZION] THE AMERICAN RELIGION

2003-11-06 Thread Ron Scott
-Original Message- From: John W. Redelfs [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 6:53 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [ZION] THE AMERICAN RELIGION Hey Ron, are you familiar with THE AMERICAN RELIGION by Harold Bloom? I've been reading it the last couple

RE: [ZION] Nehors - was: Unconditional Love

2003-11-06 Thread Ron Scott
-Original Message- From: Steven Montgomery [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 6:20 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [ZION] Nehors - was: Unconditional Love At 03:37 PM 11/6/2003, Ron Scott wrote: President Benson was good enough for me. His

RE: [ZION] Nehors - was: Unconditional Love

2003-11-06 Thread Ron Scott
-Original Message- From: John W. Redelfs [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 6:47 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [ZION] Nehors - was: Unconditional Love Ron Scott wrote: Ah yes. And no Korihors and wolves in sheeps clothing either, right John

RE: [ZION] Nehors - was: Unconditional Love

2003-11-06 Thread Ron Scott
-Original Message- From: Tom Matkin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 7:09 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [ZION] Nehors - was: Unconditional Love Strawman. There are no such far right members still in the Church that I am aware of.

RE: [ZION] Commies and Pinkos

2003-11-07 Thread Ron Scott
-Original Message- From: John W. Redelfs [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 7:33 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [ZION] Commies and Pinkos Ron Scott wrote: That's fine. The politics can come later--as you gain more light and knowledge grin. Which

RE: [ZION] Far Right In the Church

2003-11-07 Thread Ron Scott
-Original Message- From: John W. Redelfs [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 7:39 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [ZION] Far Right In the Church Tom Matkin wrote: Strawman. There are no such far right members still in the Church that I am aware

RE: [ZION] Elder Nelson and Unconditional Love

2003-11-07 Thread Ron Scott
Still occurs if you happen to live along the Wasatch Front. Not as often as it used to... -Original Message- From: Stacy Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 6:16 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [ZION] Elder Nelson and Unconditional Love It must

RE: [ZION] Repentance from adultery (was: RE: Is God's Love Unconditional?)

2003-11-07 Thread Ron Scott
-Original Message- From: Stacy Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 6:42 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [ZION] Repentance from adultery (was: RE: Is God's Love Unconditional?) I don't believe the sons of perdition will be few in number. I

RE: [ZION] Wee Small Hours

2003-11-07 Thread Ron Scott
She lives in Newton? Where do the attend church? Weston or Cambridge? Is her husband at Tufts or BC (didn't know BC had a dental school). Ron -Original Message- From: John W. Redelfs [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, November 07, 2003 4:18 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject:

RE: [ZION] Far Right In the Church

2003-11-07 Thread Ron Scott
-Original Message- From: John W. Redelfs [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, November 07, 2003 4:05 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [ZION] Far Right In the Church Ron Scott wrote: Interesting and revealing response. Freud would have a field day with you. Like so many

RE: [ZION] Wee Small Hours

2003-11-07 Thread Ron Scott
-Original Message- From: John W. Redelfs [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, November 07, 2003 4:55 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [ZION] Wee Small Hours Ron Scott wrote: She lives in Newton? Where do the attend church? Weston or Cambridge? Is her husband at Tufts

RE: [ZION] Commies and Pinkos

2003-11-07 Thread Ron Scott
-Original Message- From: Ron Scott [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, November 07, 2003 3:53 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [ZION] Commies and Pinkos -Original Message- From: John W. Redelfs [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 06

[ZION] HELP

2003-11-07 Thread Ron Scott
Somehow I misplaced the address for the website, where I can read posts on line. Would you please forward the address to me when you get a moment. Ron Scott // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http

RE: [ZION] HELP

2003-11-07 Thread Ron Scott
Thanks Sandy. Friends: For a number of pressing reasons, I am retreating (for the time being) to to lurkdom, read at the website only-- no email. If you wish my response on a particular subject, please cc me at [EMAIL PROTECTED] Be well and be careful. Ron Scott

RE: [ZION] Wee Small Hours

2003-11-07 Thread Ron Scott
-Original Message- From: Elmer L. Fairbank [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, November 07, 2003 1:42 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [ZION] Wee Small Hours At 05:48 AM 11/7/2003 -0500, Uncle Ron wrote: My youngest daughter attends school in