RE: [ZION] War on Iraq

2002-09-30 Thread Stephen Beecroft
-Marc- jihad has traditionally, in Sunni Islam, meant the kind of struggle that we all must undergo in order to purify ourselves in order to make ourselves fit to be in God's presence after death. The Taliban have given the term a bad name). -Stephen- Not so. That is, the term jihad has

RE: [ZION] LDS Study Bible

2002-10-01 Thread Stephen Beecroft
-John- Have you checked this project with the Brethren? Lynn Anderson wrote a simplified version of the Book of Mormon for children and poor readers, and the Brethren nixed the idea. She went ahead and published it anyway. It is pretty hard to change the words without changing the meaning

RE: [ZION] Ways food storage could be activated

2002-10-02 Thread Stephen Beecroft
-Marc- Am not sure I follow your point about moral matters. NEWS: US kills enemies in Afghanistan, looks to invading Iraq MARC: Just goes to show you how corrupt the US is. NEWS: Canada kills enemies in Afghanistan, supports Iraq invasion MARC: Just goes to show you how corrupt the US is. Now

RE: [ZION] Ways food storage could be activated

2002-10-02 Thread Stephen Beecroft
-Marc- No part of Zion has lived up to the contract in Ether and we're all corrupt. Much as we would love to take a higher ground, it is too expensive for us. Yes, you would be moral if only it weren't for the US. Darn them! -Marc- My reasoning is that we are being hammered enough by US

RE: [ZION] Ways food storage could be activated

2002-10-02 Thread Stephen Beecroft
-Stephen- Yes, you would be moral if only it weren't for the US. Darn them! -Marc- Your caricature does not accurately represent what I wrote. I think it does, more or less. Your implication has been that Canada's problems originate with the US, and that any of Canada's perhaps

RE: [ZION] Ways food storage could be activated

2002-10-03 Thread Stephen Beecroft
-Stephen- Yes, you would be moral if only it weren't for the US. Darn them! -Marc- Your caricature does not accurately represent what I wrote. -Stephen- I think it does, more or less. Your implication has been that Canada's problems originate with the US, -Marc- More accurate: your

RE: [ZION] Ways food storage could be activated

2002-10-03 Thread Stephen Beecroft
-John- A little MYOB would go a long way to solving America's foreign policy problems. Make your own beer Mind Your Own Business --JWR Seems unnecessarily harsh. Poor Till was just trying to clarify the meaning of the acronym -- and this is a discussion list, after all. Stephen the

RE: [ZION] Tariffs and War

2002-10-03 Thread Stephen Beecroft
-ELF- Bunny Boots refer to a particular arctic boot manufactured for the US military, being white, and rated to -40o F Won't work -- the Canadians only understand Celsius temperature. Heaven only knows what -40o Farenheit is in Canuck degrees. Glad to see you back. Hope all's well with you,

RE: [ZION] Ways food storage could be activated

2002-10-03 Thread Stephen Beecroft
-Marc- Am not sure I follow your point about moral matters. -Stephen- NEWS: US kills enemies in Afghanistan, looks to invading Iraq MARC: Just goes to show you how corrupt the US is. NEWS: Canada kills enemies in Afghanistan, supports Iraq invasion MARC: Just goes to show you how corrupt

RE: [ZION] NMD: fact or fiction?

2002-10-09 Thread Stephen Beecroft
-Marc- I think there's been enough exposure to reports from two respected reports now to support my claim that the tests were a failure. You're free to disagree, but I'm going to drop it. If you want a last word, be my guest. And Dan has brought up evidence that the respected reports were

[ZION] Dove-breeding as a gospel hobby (was: Iraq and war)

2002-10-09 Thread Stephen Beecroft
RE: Iraq and war -John- I felt that it should throw a bucket of cold water on some of those saints who are in favor of a war with Iraq. He said that as a Church we have to remain neutral and our members have to obey the laws of the land even if that means fighting in a war. But as

RE: [ZION] Iraq and War

2002-10-09 Thread Stephen Beecroft
-Marc- Just read over Elder Nelson's talk when it comes out in the Ensign. I myself have a difficult time seeing how people can still, with all due respect, not get it after hearing this talk. And I have a difficult time seeing why people are so eager to twist an apostle's words into

RE: [ZION] Dove-breeding as a gospel hobby (was: Iraq and war)

2002-10-09 Thread Stephen Beecroft
-Marc- Let me ask you the same question I've been asking others, than. If the criteria that the U.S. are using were to be applied to other countries in the area, a much better case could be made for invading Pakistan. Yet instead the US pours billions into military aid for Pakistan. Why the

RE: [ZION] Iraq and War

2002-10-09 Thread Stephen Beecroft
-Marc- I believe that in general prophecies tend to be broader than just one issue, and it's we members who narrow them down (all of us, or most of us). I tend to agree with this. Interesting, then, that you wrote: and Elder Nelson's words were, as far as I'm concerned, very clear and

[ZION] Another view of UN inspections

2002-10-09 Thread Stephen Beecroft
http://www.sluggy.com/daily.php?date=021009 Stephen / /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html ///

[ZION] La Reconquista

2002-10-14 Thread Stephen Beecroft
-Gary- look at how fluid the border with Mexico is. -Marc- They are just taking back the land you took from them by force, but they're using other means and are outsmarting you. It's called La Reconquista. ;-) Obviously you think this is quite clever, since you've used this term several

RE: [ZION] La Reconquista

2002-10-15 Thread Stephen Beecroft
-Marc- But since you're the one who's here to police our logic, That's rather unkind. Untrue, as well. I never pursue discussions for argument's sake alone. Never. perhaps you could tell me when you picked up telepathy as a talent. A short book called _Telepathy through Reading_. I'm still

RE: [ZION] The Rulers of Darkness

2002-10-16 Thread Stephen Beecroft
-John- I just love your sarcasm, Stephen. In this case I'm sure we would agree. --JWR Actually, I don't love my own sarcasm. What comes out of my fingertips sounding silly and a bit over-the-top to me ends up seeming much more acidic and unpleasant than intended. You'd think I would learn

RE: [ZION] The Rulers of Darkness

2002-10-16 Thread Stephen Beecroft
-Marc- Trivia time, boys and girls: anybody know what the original US ^^^ action was that prompted the emplacement of missiles in Cuba? ^^ [...] NATO had put into place batteries of missiles in NE Turkey, aimed at the USSR, and

RE: [ZION] High Priests have money

2002-10-23 Thread Stephen Beecroft
-Paul- The Lord will not call a poor man to be an apostle. Poor people are just not good enough for the job. You have to have money. If I remember correctly, Elder Packer spent his professional life in the CES, a job practically guaranteed to keep you dressed in rags. Stephen

RE: [ZION] Figure the Odds

2002-10-23 Thread Stephen Beecroft
-John- Figure the odds. Only a dozen or so have been killed out of population of over 14,000,000. You chance of being killed is about the same as a meteorite landing on your head. Well...not really. I believe there is only one known case of a meteor striking a person -- and she survived.

RE: [ZION] High Priest

2002-10-23 Thread Stephen Beecroft
-Larry- Keys, where needed, are given to the person set apart for a calling. He only holds those keys until he is released. How about that? That's directly opposite to what a bishop told me years back. Thanks for the clarification. Stephen

RE: [ZION] High Priests More Active Than Elders

2002-10-23 Thread Stephen Beecroft
-John- I have heard that half of all elders are inactive. But that fewer than 5 percent of high priests are inactive. Can anyone here confirm or deny this? I can't confirm or deny Church-wide, of course, but around here that's not the case. 50% is approximately right for the elders,

RE: [ZION] Stop kicking the stuffing out of Turkey

2002-10-21 Thread Stephen Beecroft
-Psychic Marc- [Castro] saw revolution as the only way to break the endless pattern of Cubans electing democratic governments etc. -Confused Marc- Where's the beef, er, ideology? I deliberately avoided painting him in ideological colours. This is history as it happened If you can't see how

RE: [ZION] Stop kicking the stuffing out of Marc

2002-10-21 Thread Stephen Beecroft
-Stephen- If you can't see how your psychic analysis, or at least psychoanalysis, of Castro does not constitute history as it happened, but rather is an ideological gloss, then I'm powerless to help. However, as you take great pleasure in tweaking Americans, I expect that's what you're doing

RE: [ZION] Stop kicking the stuffing out of Turkey

2002-10-21 Thread Stephen Beecroft
-Marc- Since this thread is fraying all over the place, here's a summary post of how I see the history of Cuba. [...] 6.That things aren't even worse in Central America and the Caribbean are thanks to an elder of Zion, J. Reuben Clark, Jr., whose Clark Memorandum diverted early 20th

RE: [ZION] Stop kicking the stuffing out of Marc

2002-10-21 Thread Stephen Beecroft
-Marc- Stephen, if you contribute something positive, I'll comment on it. Otherwise, why bother? -Stephen- Well, that's not very generous of you. After all, I often comment on your posts. :) -Marc- You skipped the word positive. On the contrary, that was my point. I *still* comment on your

RE: [ZION] What's the point of high priests?

2002-10-22 Thread Stephen Beecroft
-John- Stephen, it would be helpful if you would also contribute to the list when you are happy with us. We know that you will straighten us out if we make a mistake, but that shouldn't be our whole relationship, do you think? Of course not. Forgive me. I had assume a discussion list was for

RE: [ZION] High priests

2002-10-22 Thread Stephen Beecroft
-Gary- The only person among Elders with keys is the Elders Quorum president. In other words, the only elder with keys is the presiding elder. Well, of course. And the only high priest with keys is the presiding high priest. Yet, his keys are limited. As are the bishop's or stake

RE: [ZION] Tweaking Canada

2002-10-22 Thread Stephen Beecroft
-Marc- I think it's time I correct an impression that I somehow have an anti-US bias. [...] I am by nature a bit of a contrarian [...] the US is the superpower de jour. A century ago I would have been anti-English so to speak. Let's see if I understand what you wrote. Here is what I heard: I

RE: [ZION] Voting and parties (was Re: Cuba and Castro)

2002-10-22 Thread Stephen Beecroft
-Marc- In the U.S. every voter registers for a party (or as an independent -- as I recall the rules vary considerably from This is not correct. -Mark- What? You mean to say that you cannot vote in the US unless you register your preference? Is that true? No, it is not true. Many states do

RE: [ZION] Tweaking Canada

2002-10-22 Thread Stephen Beecroft
-Stephen- Let's see if I understand what you wrote. Here is what I heard: I am not anti-US. Rather, I am anti-Big-Kahoona, and the US is the Big Kahoona right now. Please confirm if I have actual reason to laugh, or if I've somehow misunderstood you. -Marc- I think my original post was

RE: [ZION] Voting and parties (was Re: Cuba and Castro)

2002-10-22 Thread Stephen Beecroft
-Marc- In the U.S. every voter registers for a party (or as an independent -- as I recall the rules vary considerably from -Stephen- This is not correct. -Marc- Please don't interrupt. Oops. My bad. I had thought this was John Redelfs' discussion list, not Marc Schindler's lecture hall.

RE: [ZION] RE: Voting and parties

2002-10-22 Thread Stephen Beecroft
-Val- I am a good Mormon Democrat -Stephen- Then I'm willing to bet you're not a liberal Democrat. -Marc- Please don't define *our* language for us. Marc, I am talking to a fellow American here, not to an Aussie or a Brit. If your understanding of American politics too sparse to acquaint

RE: [ZION] Voting and parties (was Re: Cuba and Castro)

2002-10-22 Thread Stephen Beecroft
-Marc- Exactly. I was referring to state party conventions, what you call in US English, primaries. Interesting. So, then, what did you intend to say when you wrote: So to say that my late father was a Democrat means that he was registered as a Democrat. As it happens, this is pretty

RE: [ZION] Voting and parties (was Re: Cuba and Castro)

2002-10-22 Thread Stephen Beecroft
-Stephen- Interesting. So, then, what did you intend to say when you wrote: So to say that my late father was a Democrat means that he was registered as a Democrat. As it happens, this is pretty meaningless, because the vote is secret, and you can vote for whomever you

RE: [ZION] RE: Voting and parties

2002-10-22 Thread Stephen Beecroft
Now, now, Marc. Giving you the last word doesn't mean giving you license to misquote and make stuff up. To wit: You used the phrase [here] and elsewhere. It was the elsewhere that I was taking objection to. This is untrue. I did not use the phrase and elsewhere, as you yourself go on to

RE: [ZION] High Priests

2002-10-23 Thread Stephen Beecroft
-Gary- We learn in DC 107 that an apostle is a high priest And an elder is a deacon. May we therefore say that in order to bless by the laying on of hands, one must be a deacon? Technically it's true, but it is certainly misleading. In many places in scripture, high priest is used to mean

RE: [ZION] High Priests

2002-10-24 Thread Stephen Beecroft
-Gary- You give some nice definitions, but can you show where these definitions come from? Mostly from the scriptures themselves. I am pretty sure that the Bible never explicitly specifies that Enos was Adam's grandson, but the meaning is clear enough that I can say that anyway. Similarly,

RE: [ZION] High Priests

2002-10-24 Thread Stephen Beecroft
Gary, all this side discussion about Alma 13 and such is interesting enough, and I'm happy enough to continue it -- though I suspect that, upon review of the relevant teachings and a careful rereading of Alma's words, you will agree that Alma 13 is much more inclusive than you've been

RE: [ZION] High Priests

2002-10-25 Thread Stephen Beecroft
-Tilly- What's a razor? He's the guy whut grows the crops. Stephen / /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html ///

RE: [ZION] High Priests

2002-10-25 Thread Stephen Beecroft
-Mark- Moroni talks about teachers and priests. This is several hundred years after Christ, so the Nephites had the Melchizedek priesthood at that time and were not under the law of Moses. True enough. I was referring to earlier, pre-Resurrection references to teachers and priests. But you

RE: [ZION] High Priest

2002-10-25 Thread Stephen Beecroft
-Gary- And I've done some research and determined that those who mentioned previously that [bishop] is a position in the Aaronic Priesthood are partially incorrect. I don't recall anyone saying it was a position in the Aaronic Priesthood; rather, they said it was an office in the Aaronic

RE: [ZION] Secret societies

2002-10-25 Thread Stephen Beecroft
At the risk of belaboring the obvious, let me point out that under the definitions and descriptions given in these encyclopedia entries John has mentioned, the Church, and specifically the works of the temple, would undoubtedly qualify as a secret society. (Of course, I consider it no such

RE: [ZION] What is patriotism?

2002-10-26 Thread Stephen Beecroft
Gary, I agree with almost every point you've made here. So as not to make this solely a me-too post, let me add that when a writer (US citizen or alien) makes a statement like, I love America but I hate Republicanism, that writer has shown himself to be duplicitous and untrustworthy. Any good

RE: [ZION] Quorum Brotherhood

2002-10-26 Thread Stephen Beecroft
-John- Play more, work less. And when you play, make sure it is a joint outing between you and your wife and children, and those of another elder in the quorum. Invite another elder with his family to your house for dinner, or if that is too much work, just invite them for a two family ice

[ZION] The veil

2002-10-28 Thread Stephen Beecroft
The symbolism of the veil is used several times in our gospel teachings, and in some different ways. They all seem to have one thing in common: The veil separates us from God. Usually that is good, or at least necessary; in one case, it is not. In the teachings of the gospel, I see at least

RE: [ZION] Jerusalem Temple

2002-10-28 Thread Stephen Beecroft
-Marc- 107th, 108th. Whatever. 220, 221. Whatever it takes. Mr. Mom / /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html ///

RE: [ZION] You Just Don't Get It

2002-10-29 Thread Stephen Beecroft
-Marc- Are there people here who defend apostate sects? Or is this a high council talk ;-) Actually, I agree with John in this. It's one thing to say that some/many/most/all religions contain truths. It's quite another to say that God directed that they be established as a sort of halfway

RE: [ZION] The veil

2002-10-29 Thread Stephen Beecroft
-Jim- One of the most significant meanings of the veil is the representation of our separation from God. Jim, it's great to hear you again (speaking symbolically :). In fact, I would say that the representation of our separation from God is the *primary* meaning of the veil, in all cases I've

[ZION] Sonia Johnson (was: Who is the House of Israel?)

2002-10-30 Thread Stephen Beecroft
-Marc- FWIW, this is exactly how I remember it, too. She also made a public snit about how her 12-year old daughter wasn't allowed to pass the sacrament. As I recall, her marriage broke up again and she declared she'd been a lesbian all along. Bit of a wacko. Wonder whatever happened to her?

RE: [ZION] Imagine that!

2002-10-31 Thread Stephen Beecroft
Jim, your cynical lack of faith in mankind leaves me shocked and appalled. I'll have you know that I just borrowed $25k to help out another poor Nigerian in a similar circumstance. I did it mostly out of the goodness of my heart, but frankly I expect a five MILLION (that's

RE: [ZION] Iraq: letters in Meridian

2002-11-01 Thread Stephen Beecroft
-Marc- when it can dip *below* -40oC (which is also, as you probably know, -40oF). This is unnecessarily cruel. There was no need to preempt my favorite smart-alek comment. Meanie. Stephen Automobiles don't kill people. People driving automobiles kill people. And the sooner we can get all

RE: [ZION] Ddouble-ddipped

2002-11-02 Thread Stephen Beecroft
Quite obviously, we here on Zion also constitute double-dippers, seeing as how the Church can't manage to provide us with a safe, warm, nurturing environment in which to shoot the breeze, argue obscure doctrinal points, and laugh at Canadians. The good thing is that, according to Ms. Fletcher

[ZION] OJ thoughtfully considers new info

2002-11-04 Thread Stephen Beecroft
http://www.msnbc.com/news/822149.asp?cp1=1 Stephen / /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html ///

RE: [ZION] Reconstructing the Clinton legacy

2002-11-05 Thread Stephen Beecroft
-Attilla the Un- Am I a substandard American male? Judging by the voluminous email spam I receive, I have concluded that I am most certainly a substandard American male. The good news is that I can be brought up to standard (so to speak) without painful weights or operations. Alas, I haven't

RE: [ZION] Mars Attacks

2002-11-07 Thread Stephen Beecroft
-John- Have any of you seen the comedy entitled Mars Attacks. It is hilarious, and one of my favorite, recent films. To each his own, I suppose. Michelle and I watched this some years ago, and we each thought it was one of the very worst, un-funniest, unpleasant movies we had ever had the

RE: [ZION] Taliban in Pakistan

2002-11-07 Thread Stephen Beecroft
-Paul- The President of the United States and US intelligence has determined that he is guilty. Case closed. -John- Just hope they don't find you guilty of anything without evidence. I agree with John. Poor Saddam. My heart bleeds for him. Sympathetic Stephen

[ZION] Home automation

2002-11-07 Thread Stephen Beecroft
Anyone here interested in home automation? Anyone do any? Stephen / /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html ///

RE: [ZION] Home automation

2002-11-08 Thread Stephen Beecroft
-Jon- Yep - I have automated quite a bit at our bookstore, and some at my home (because I can never get any time to finish it. What area do you have in mind? Probably my basement family room, to start with. I've been dreaming about home automation for many years, and toying with the idea of

RE: [ZION] Taliban in Pakistan

2002-11-09 Thread Stephen Beecroft
-Steven quotes _The New American Magazine_- This current display, therefore, repeats the notion that the dropping of the bombs by the U.S. brought Japan to the peace table and saved countless lives on both sides. But this historical view, like the original commentary intended for the exhibit,

RE: [ZION] Liberal dems unveil...

2002-11-09 Thread Stephen Beecroft
-Jim- Senator Peolosi from San Francisco is being groomed to take over the top of the Dem heap in the Congress [...] It will be truly gratifying if such openly radical nuts dominate in the new Democrat organization. -John- [Steven] Choosing Senator Pelosi will ring a death knell for the

RE: [ZION] Taliban in Pakistan

2002-11-09 Thread Stephen Beecroft
-Steven- Perhaps you're right, but I still fail to see how the United States maintained the moral high ground by bombing civilians. Like Jim, I don't know what constitutes moral high ground in a war. Note that Hiroshima and Nagasaki were both industrial cities, and thus legitimate targets,

[ZION] Social Mormons (was: Liberal dems unveil...)

2002-11-09 Thread Stephen Beecroft
-Jim- In my experience it is common to find social mormons with a misplaced sense of loyalty to such matters. They identify more strongly with sociopolitical ideology than with their faith in Christ. Funny you should write this, Jim. Just today, I was bathing in raw sewage, er, that is,

RE: [ZION] One Party Rule?

2002-11-11 Thread Stephen Beecroft
-Marc- One party domination is in direct defiance of the Brethren. Defiance? Institutions are not capable of defiance, only individuals. Which individuals do you believe are in defiance of the Brethren? The leaders of the Republican party in Utah? Any Utah Republicans? Any LDS Republicans?

[ZION] Madsen claims

2002-11-11 Thread Stephen Beecroft
I enjoy listening to Truman Madsen. Though he tends to sappy and over-the-top rhetoric, he is knowledgeable and pretty enjoyable to listen to. I'm listening to some lectures he gave on Joseph Smith, wherein he references some things I'm not familiar with and have been unable to turn up on

RE: [ZION] A Whirlwind Trip South

2002-11-11 Thread Stephen Beecroft
If you decide to take the coastal route, stop by and visit. I'll even show you around Microsoft's campus, though I can't get in any buildings... Stephen John W. Redelfs wrote: It looks like I'm going to make a whirlwind visit to SLC-Provo this coming weekend. My son-in-law, Jeff, has

RE: [ZION] One Party Rule?

2002-11-11 Thread Stephen Beecroft
-Marc- [Previously] One party domination is in direct defiance of the Brethren. [Now] Also, you've missed a quite legitimate parsing of my sentence. When one says x is in defiance of y, that implies that belief in x is in defiance of y. Okay, that's reasonable. I don't agree with it, but

RE: [ZION] A Whirlwind Trip South

2002-11-12 Thread Stephen Beecroft
-Stephen- I wish I could, Stephen. But there isn't any coastal route from the Seattle area to Prince Rupert. Nonsense! There's always a route. Oh, do you mean a route you can drive your car through? Never mind. You mean you can't get in any of the building because they laid you off? Shame

RE: [ZION] A Whirlwind Trip South

2002-11-12 Thread Stephen Beecroft
-Stephen- -Stephen- I wish I could, Stephen. But there isn't any coastal route from the Seattle area to Prince Rupert. Amazing. I quoted myself. No, wait, that was actually John. I just got confused and thought he was me because he's going to be in Utah with me. Except that I don't live in

RE: [ZION] One party rule?

2002-11-12 Thread Stephen Beecroft
-Irwin- Thanks for the clarification. We are not even married yet and I need to be corrected. (grin) -John- After you are married, you will get all the correction you need. That's what I thought at first, but Michelle informs me that this is a slanderous falsehood. Stephen

RE: [ZION] Answer to life

2002-11-12 Thread Stephen Beecroft
-Gary- what if the person isn't using Euclidean mathematics? Then 9 times 6 may NOT equal 42. And if he is using Euclidean mathematics? Stephen // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// ///

RE: [ZION] a whirlwind trip south

2002-11-12 Thread Stephen Beecroft
-Marc- Seriously -- did you guys hear about a case back east somewhere, New York state, iirc, where a tech had inadvertently left an oxygen cylinder in the room, and when the MRI was turned on, it got sucked right into the core, killing the poor patient (a young boy) instantly. Unless MRI

RE: [ZION] Magnetic Personality

2002-11-12 Thread Stephen Beecroft
: Stephen Beecroft: -Marc- ... a tech had inadvertently left an oxygen cylinder in the room, and when the MRI was turned on, it got sucked right into the core, killing the poor patient (a young boy) instantly. Unless MRI technology has changed significantly in the last 7-8 years

RE: [ZION] Magnetic Personality

2002-11-12 Thread Stephen Beecroft
-Tom- It seems that the incident actually did happen. Here's a typical report that came up when I did a Fetch search on MRI killing Guess you're right. Here's another: http://abcnews.go.com/sections/us/DailyNews/mri010731.html How sad. I know it's old news by now, but still, how tragic.

RE: [ZION] Answer to life

2002-11-13 Thread Stephen Beecroft
-Gary- what if the person isn't using Euclidean mathematics? Then 9 times 6 may NOT equal 42. [...] -Jon- Then 9 times 6 equals 46. And that IS the correct answer. -Marc- In the decimal system, of course, you decidigicist, you... Just occurred to me: 9 x 6 = 42 in base 13, and 9 x 6 = 46

RE: [ZION] Evolution's missing link

2002-11-15 Thread Stephen Beecroft
-Gary- Here is the evolution of Michael Jackson's face http://anomalies-unlimited.com/Jackson.html This is one of the saddest things I've ever seen. I'm not even a fan, and I feel terrible for him. The gospel could heal this man, but I doubt anything else could. How nightmarish his life

RE: [ZION] Social Mormons (was: Liberal dems unveil...)

2002-11-16 Thread Stephen Beecroft
-Ronn- (FWIW, I've been unable to find out why there is apparently no such compound as 1,7-trimethylxanthine. Perhaps because the 1,7 and the tri prefixes are mutually exclusive? Just a guess. :) Stephen // /// ZION

RE: [ZION] Social Mormons (was: Liberal dems unveil...)

2002-11-16 Thread Stephen Beecroft
-Ronn- (FWIW, I've been unable to find out why there is apparently no such compound as 1,7-trimethylxanthine. Oops. I meant 1,7-dimethylxanthine . . . Also called paraxanthine; described as an adenosine receptor ligand and a major metabolite of caffeine at

RE: [ZION] Hogwarts and all

2002-11-16 Thread Stephen Beecroft
-Stacy- Don't you know that'll just irritate Protestant Fundamentalists worse than anything else? They'll think we're Satanists for sure! Strong evidence, indeed, in arguing for the virtue of Harry Potter books... Stephen

RE: [ZION] Pamela Lee Anderson: poster girl of a different sort now

2002-11-18 Thread Stephen Beecroft
I'm quite sure that the mere mention of Pamela Lee Anderson violates several elements of the charter. Which means I'll probably get booted now. Stephen // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// ///

RE: [ZION] Something Else To Ponder

2002-11-19 Thread Stephen Beecroft
-Stacy- I've long suspected that psychoactive drugs, while helping someone to feel better, also lessens perception of personal revelation. Am I right? I'm no authority on the matter, but I believe you are. As a general rule, it seems transparently obvious to me that altering one's brain

RE: [ZION] No Desire To Discuss What Is Forbidden

2002-11-19 Thread Stephen Beecroft
-Marc- My only fear in bringing Pamela Anderson into the discussion was that I might be accused of artificiality (tiddly-BOOM) chemistry_humor As our Mexican neighbors might say, Si! Si! /chemistry_humor Stephen

RE: [ZION] Coffee, tea or eternity?

2002-11-22 Thread Stephen Beecroft
-Paul- PS. Hi Jack! Tut, tut. We don't make such overt terroristic threats on this list. A Pauled, Stephen // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html ///

RE: [ZION] Canada: Bush is a moron

2002-11-23 Thread Stephen Beecroft
-Jim- Canadian politician calls President Bush a moron. -Marc- It wasn't a politician, it was an aide, Huh? That's like saying, It wasn't an animal, it was a housefly. Of course she is a politician. Do you mean that she is not an elected official? That much is clear, but really doesn't

RE: [ZION] Canada: Bush is a moron

2002-11-23 Thread Stephen Beecroft
-Marc- OK. And? A civil servant fits none of these definitions. You don't think she qualifies as one actively engaged in conducting the business of a government? You don't think she is a person engaged in party politics as a profession? I think she very clearly qualifies under at least those

RE: [ZION] Coffee, tea or eternity?

2002-11-26 Thread Stephen Beecroft
-Marc- W/L 5/8 BELOW Any plumbers out there who can read toiletese? ;-) I'm neither a plumber nor fluent in toiletese, but I suspect the first number is the tank capacity, while the second refers to the total amount of water per flush. Septic Stephen

RE: [ZION] Canada: Bush is an idiot

2002-11-28 Thread Stephen Beecroft
-Marc- Odd that we get critized for merely reacting to the U.S. but now a truly insignificant molehill is over-shadowed by a mountain, and all the Marc, I'm baffled at your insistent glee on this topic. I have seen no mountain regarding this. I would have missed the initial report altogether

RE: [ZION] Canada: Bush is an idiot

2002-11-30 Thread Stephen Beecroft
-Marc- A customer is not in any way responsible for what one of its subcontractors say unless it is in the context of both of them acting together. So then, why do you bother including the disclaimer at the end of each of your posts? And please read properly: it was the *Alberta* government

RE: [ZION] Temperature conversion chart

2002-12-02 Thread Stephen Beecroft
-Stacy- How do I decrease my sensitivity to cold? Convert to Celsius. If you find yourself getting cold at a mere 59 degrees Farenheit, for example, people will laugh and mock and point their finger at you and call you various unpleasant names, like weenie or pansy-girl or Gary Smith. But if

RE: [ZION] Canada: Bush is an idiot

2002-12-02 Thread Stephen Beecroft
-Marc- A customer is not in any way responsible for what one of its subcontractors say unless it is in the context of both of them acting together. -Stephen- So then, why do you bother including the disclaimer at the end of each of your posts? -Marc- I don't follow you. I don't have any

RE: [ZION] The Two Towers (LOTR)

2002-12-14 Thread Stephen Beecroft
-Gary- Also, if you send the answers to this list, make sure to warn everyone that there is spoiler information involved. Good call. WARNING!! This message contains SPOILER INFORMATION!! Don't read it unless you already know everything it says! In which case, reading it is superfluous. But

RE: [ZION] Re: New guy

2002-12-16 Thread Stephen Beecroft
-Val- Can this list handle another Cobabe?? :-o No, we can't have two Cobabes. At least one of them has to be the primary Babe. I suppose they'll have to decide between themselves which is better-looking. Stephen //

RE: [ZION] New guy

2002-12-16 Thread Stephen Beecroft
-George- Could that be right, wright. or wrong? The W should be capitalized. Write Wright right. (But don't fixate on it to the point that you feel compelled to do so, or you'll find yourself performing the Write 'Wright' right rite.) Stephen

RE: [ZION] No biological basis for race

2002-12-17 Thread Stephen Beecroft
-Marc- A new study of Brazilians confirms what biologists have always known (but maybe not anthropologists?): namely, that there is no genetic basis for determining race:

[ZION] Microsoft interview questions

2002-12-18 Thread Stephen Beecroft
The funnest thing about interviewing at Microsoft are the famous (or infamous) interview questions, of which you're likely to get at least one per interview. A classic example is: You have three closed barrels in front of you, one filled with black marbles, one filled with white marbles, and

RE: [ZION] Microsoft interview questions

2002-12-18 Thread Stephen Beecroft
-Marc- No wonder Microsoft's spellchecker is so lousy ;-) (carabiners, from a German word for carbine hook. Ah. I had never seen/heard the term, and the guy (Russian) called/spelled them carob-beaners. I wondered how that term had come about. What's a carob bean, anyway? But I had nothing to

RE: [ZION] Curiosity About Alma 1:21

2002-12-18 Thread Stephen Beecroft
-Marc- We LDS do *not* believe God is omnipotent in the sense the Romans used this term -- we believe he's subject to natural law, Perhaps you believe so. I don't. God's word defines natural law. He is the master, not the subject. That is why he is called the Lawgiver. Stephen

RE: [ZION] Curiosity About Alma 1:21

2002-12-18 Thread Stephen Beecroft
-Stephen- God's word defines natural law. He is the master, not the subject. That is why he is called the Lawgiver. -Jim- Yes, I thought that was a significant point to emphasize. Interesting that we independently arrived at a similar conclusion, even using similar wording. Almost like we

RE: [ZION] Curiosity About Alma 1:21

2002-12-18 Thread Stephen Beecroft
-Marc- The problem arises out of the word natural, and is a limitation of our language. By natural are we referring to the corruptible telestial world, or are we referring simply to the fact that there are higher laws which are natural but which operate in *their* realms, and which we by

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