Oh, don't tell that to Quebeckers. It's their boisson national.
Ronn Blankenship wrote:
At 12:12 AM 11/17/02, Rick Mathis wrote:
At 07:56 PM 11/16/2002 -0800, Stacy wrote:
It shocked me to realize that coffee has theophylline in it. That's
considered a medicine by doctors. I think it
What else does coffee have in it besides caffeine? Are there other active
ingredients?
Stacy.
At 03:08 PM 11/12/2002 -0600, you wrote:
Marc wrote:
Many people assume it
means no caffeine, but if that were the case a good portion of OTC drugs
that we
take would be verboten. Is decaff okay? No.
Caffeine's chemical name is trimethylxanthine. Here's a link to a site that lists
the other ingredients:
http://www.madsci.org/posts/archives/dec2001/1007419335.Ch.r.html
I would say, offhand, that theobromine is the only other active ingredient; most
of the other things get oxidized during
The term theobromine, incidentally, comes from Greek, drink of the Gods, and
was applied to chocholate in drinkable form when it was first brought to Europe.
Ronn Blankenship wrote:
At 02:48 PM 11/16/02, Marc A. Schindler wrote:
Caffeine's chemical name is trimethylxanthine.
At 08:43 PM 11/16/02, Marc A. Schindler wrote:
The term theobromine, incidentally, comes from Greek, drink of the
Gods, and
was applied to chocholate in drinkable form when it was first brought to
Europe.
Theophylline, however, does not mean friend of the gods, as one might
naively guess
Interesting -- I didn't know that. A case of faux amis (false cognates). So
what's phylline from? The only thing I can think of, going from my limited
knowledge of Greek, is type in the sense of something that's in a class of
things that have something in common. (Same as the word phylum) So I
-Ronn-
(FWIW, I've been unable to find out why there is apparently no
such compound as 1,7-trimethylxanthine.
Perhaps because the 1,7 and the tri prefixes are mutually exclusive?
Just a guess. :)
Stephen
//
/// ZION
At 09:03 PM 11/16/02, Marc A. Schindler wrote:
Interesting -- I didn't know that. A case of faux amis (false cognates). So
what's phylline from? The only thing I can think of, going from my limited
knowledge of Greek, is type in the sense of something that's in a class of
things that have
At 09:07 PM 11/16/02, Stephen Beecroft wrote:
-Ronn-
(FWIW, I've been unable to find out why there is apparently no
such compound as 1,7-trimethylxanthine.
Perhaps because the 1,7 and the tri prefixes are mutually exclusive?
Just a guess. :)
Oops. I meant 1,7-dimethylxanthine . . .
-Ronn-
(FWIW, I've been unable to find out why there is apparently no
such compound as 1,7-trimethylxanthine.
Oops. I meant 1,7-dimethylxanthine . . .
Also called paraxanthine; described as an adenosine receptor ligand
and a major metabolite of caffeine at
At 09:29 PM 11/16/02, Stephen Beecroft wrote:
-Ronn-
(FWIW, I've been unable to find out why there is apparently no
such compound as 1,7-trimethylxanthine.
Oops. I meant 1,7-dimethylxanthine . . .
Also called paraxanthine; described as an adenosine receptor ligand
and a major metabolite of
Aren't adenosine receptors also part of the same pathways that opiates bond to?
That might explain the addictive nature of caffeine.
Stephen Beecroft wrote:
-Ronn-
(FWIW, I've been unable to find out why there is apparently no
such compound as 1,7-trimethylxanthine.
Oops. I meant
It shocked me to realize that coffee has theophylline in it. That's
considered a medicine by doctors. I think it dilates the
bronchials. Interesting.
Stacy.
At 08:03 PM 11/16/2002 -0700, you wrote:
Interesting -- I didn't know that. A case of faux amis (false cognates). So
what's phylline
At 09:43 PM 11/16/02, Marc A. Schindler wrote:
Oh, NOW you've opened a can of worms.
Recall that the only way to re-can worms after the can has been opened is
to use a larger can.
Ronn -- a short lecture on chemical
nomenclature if you don't mind. What *do* those numbers before a chemical
At 09:56 PM 11/16/02, Stacy Smith wrote:
It shocked me to realize that coffee has theophylline in it. That's
considered a medicine by doctors. I think it dilates the
bronchials. Interesting.
Caffeine can be used as a bronchodilator, too, and in fact was once used
for that purpose.
At 07:56 PM 11/16/2002 -0800, Stacy wrote:
It shocked me to realize that coffee has theophylline in it. That's
considered a medicine by doctors. I think it dilates the
bronchials. Interesting.
For what it's worth, I've used a couple of cans of Pepsi when I didn't have
access to one of my
At 12:12 AM 11/17/02, Rick Mathis wrote:
At 07:56 PM 11/16/2002 -0800, Stacy wrote:
It shocked me to realize that coffee has theophylline in it. That's
considered a medicine by doctors. I think it dilates the
bronchials. Interesting.
For what it's worth, I've used a couple of cans of Pepsi
, on this topic,
than does the average member I know (myself included).
Jon
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From: Marc A. Schindler [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 11:28 AM
Subject: Re: [ZION] Social Mormons (was: Liberal dems unveil...)
I think it means
After much pondering, Jon Spencer favored us with:
So exactly what does (paraphrasing from memory) the following mean: eat
meat sparingly and only in the winter ?
That is not what it says. It says, Eat meat sparingly and they should
not be used only in times of winter or hunger. To me that
I think it means what it says, but the point is that modern-day prophets have
defined what the WoW means for us. I'll give you an example. Many people assume it
means no caffeine, but if that were the case a good portion of OTC drugs that we
take would be verboten. Is decaff okay? No. Clearly
There's been a lot of discussion about this. My own opinion is that, given speech
patterns of the day, the sentence is parsed better with a comma after used. In
other words, it *does* restrict meat to only times of winter or hunger. The
phrase not be used only is anachronistically late 20th
That is not what it says. It says, Eat meat sparingly and they should
not be used only in times of winter or hunger. To me that clearly
means
that we should not limit our use of these things to winter or hunger.
But
that we are to eat meat sparingly at all times.
I don't eat meat with
Then I'm in trouble because I use lots of convenience foods because I have
trouble cooking. I guess I'll have to tell the bishop that I'm working on
substituting some soy products for meat dishes but I'll need to know where
soy TV dinners, etc. exist.
Stacy.
At 11:46 AM 11/12/2002 -0700, you
At 13:23 11/12/2002 -0600, St Paul not Minnesota wrote:
I don't eat meat with every meal and certainly not every day. What does
sparingly mean?
Till would maintain that this is really a typo and that sparringly is what
is really meant. It's obvious from the view here that we are to wrestle
At 11:37 11/12/2002 -0800, St Stacy wrote:
Then I'm in trouble because I use lots of convenience foods because I have
trouble cooking. I guess I'll have to tell the bishop that I'm working on
substituting some soy products for meat dishes but I'll need to know where
soy TV dinners, etc.
Marc wrote:
Many people assume it
means no caffeine, but if that were the case a good portion of OTC drugs
that we
take would be verboten. Is decaff okay? No. Clearly we're not to drink
coffee or
(green/black) tea. That's what it means, not no caffeine. We tend to
get bogged
down in unimportant
After much pondering, Elmer L. Fairbank favored us with:
Till would maintain that this is really a typo and that sparringly is what
is really meant. It's obvious from the view here that we are to wrestle
with our dinners before we eat them.
Well, if you'd ever been to a rodeo, you know that
Oh, I think every herb was put here for mankind's use. I used to date a
pharmacist, and she said that one of the first things they learn is that the
difference between a drug and a poison is context (meaning dose and
condition for which it's being prescribed, etc.). Heck, there's probably even a
In one piece. If it's larger, cut it up first.
John W. Redelfs wrote:
After much pondering, Paul Osborne favored us with:
I don't eat meat with every meal and certainly not every day. What does
sparingly mean?
It just means that you should never eat a steak that is over 1.5 lbs. --JWR
--
Reminds me of a joke whose punchline is, Well, sir and madam, you see, sometimes
the bull wins...
(We call 'em Rocky Mountain oysters around here, but steers don't have them
anymore)
John W. Redelfs wrote:
After much pondering, Elmer L. Fairbank favored us with:
Till would maintain that this
Hmmm. It seems to me that the phrase should not be used only from that
time period means that they should not be used EXCEPT. You mileage, as
always, may vary.
Jon
John W. Redelfs wrote:
After much pondering, Jon Spencer favored us with:
So exactly what does (paraphrasing from memory) the
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From: Marc A. Schindler [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 11:28 AM
Subject: Re: [ZION] Social Mormons (was: Liberal dems unveil...)
I think it means what it says, but the point is that modern-day prophets
have
defined what the WoW means for us
This veggie thing is an interesting topic. The primary problem with eating
less meat is that it takes more time in preparation. My family has found
that we feel better and are in general more healthy when we eat less meat.
When we start (yet again) on this type of regimen, we do OK for 2 or 3
Sounds like an interesting book. I'll get it. I thought a social Mormon
was one who never went to church, used coffee and tea but was involved in
cultural events.
Stacy.
At 07:23 AM 11/10/2002 +, you wrote:
If Satan can't intimidate or bully us with physical trials, he'll often
try to
-Jim-
In my experience it is common to find social mormons with a
misplaced sense of loyalty to such matters. They identify more
strongly with sociopolitical ideology than with their faith in
Christ.
Funny you should write this, Jim. Just today, I was bathing in raw
sewage, er, that is,
If Satan can't intimidate or bully us with physical trials, he'll often
try to fool us with substitute issues and programs. He would like us to
invest our time, talents, and energy in causes that are not the cause of
Zion, in the hope they may ultimately replace our commitment to the
gospel.
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