Re: [ZION] a whirlwind trip south
At 18:44 11/12/2002 -0700, M Marc wrote: Seriously -- did you guys hear about a case back east somewhere, New York state, iirc, where a tech had inadvertently left an oxygen cylinder in the room, and when the MRI was turned on, it got sucked right into the core, killing the poor patient (a young boy) instantly. Yes, I recall hearing something. It was pretty local. Till the uncharged // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
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I thank you from the most heartfelt depths of my heart for the hospitality you have offered me. I can tell that this trip, which might have been a big chore, is going to turn out to be one of the highlights of my personal history. I am really pumped. I'm so excited for John! You'll have fun together If anyone ever comes through Dallas please let me know. Paul O [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
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After much pondering, Jim Cobabe favored us with: John, I'm living at my folk's place in central Utah these days. Not doing much of anything--I've just been hanging around half-heartedly looking for gainful employment. I can come and find you just about any time. It would be great fun to get together--how about a temple session at Provo, or Timpanogos? Fantastic, Jim. Let's go to Timp. Can you check the schedule? The temple is closed on Monday, isn't it? I for sure want to do a temple session while I'm there. It is so hard to get to a temple when one is in Ketchikan. Our stake president is really stresses how important it is for us to go when we are down south. I don't know how anyone could miss it. Your friend and brother, John W. Redelfs, [EMAIL PROTECTED] // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
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After much pondering, Marc A. Schindler favored us with: The only way to visit Seattle is to take the ferry down the Inside Passage from Ketchikan (if there is one) or Prince Rupert, but that would take quite a while, I would think -- a few days, John? There is regular Alaska Marine Highway service between Ketchikan and Seattle, actually Bellingham. The trip takes about 48 hours and is surprisingly expensive. That's why I'm driving to Prince Rupert. --JWR // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
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At 17:47 11/11/2002 -0900, BLT wrote: Now that you are no longer working for Microsoft, do you still have the tenacious loyalty to them that you used to feel? John, Speaking of your great love for Microsoft, my daughter just sent me this link. Thought you would appreciate it, if you haven't already seen it. http://www.ucomics.com/foxtrot/2002/10/31/ Till // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
[ZION] A Whirlwind Trip South
John, I'd be up for a visit. What time do you get into SLC? Want to come North a bit? I'm up for buying lunch or dinner if you'd like to. Doug -- Out the modem, through the POP, down the T1, off the router, down the OC3 ...nothin' but Net. --- Name: Doug McGee E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
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After much pondering, Doug McGee favored us with: John, I'd be up for a visit. What time do you get into SLC? Want to come North a bit? I'm up for buying lunch or dinner if you'd like to. I'm getting into Salt Lake City on Saturday at 4:30 PM. Want to meet my plane? I don't have any way of getting to Provo unless I take the bus. And if you don't want do that, I might be able to borrow my daughter's car and come to SLC some time Monday or Tuesday. I need to see what the situation is with her before I line up anything solid. She might need help packing although both she and her husband say they'll be all packed. I'm just coming down to drive. Your friend and brother, John W. Redelfs, [EMAIL PROTECTED] // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
RE: [ZION] A Whirlwind Trip South
The temple is closed on Monday, isn't it? I for sure want to do a temple session while I'm there. It is so hard to get to a temple when one is in Ketchikan. Your schedule probably won't allow for it, but you could attend a session in either Cardston with Tom Matkin, or Edmonton with me (and Marc, if he's feeling well enough). If you plan on an Edmonton temple session you will need to bring your temple clothes because there are no clothing rentals there. I presume that few if any small temples have clothing rentals. Cardston of course is a large temple and has both clothing rentals and a cafeteria. Architecturally, the Cardston temple is a great experience. It's one of the very few temples in which there is a different room for each stage of the endowment. I think that only Manti and Salt Lake are still like that. Maybe also the Laie Hawaii and Idaho Falls temples too. Driving times in good conditions === Cardston to Edmonton: 6 hours Edmonton to Prince George: 8 hours Prince George to Prince Rupert: 8 hours So Edmonton to Prince Rupert in a single 14 hour haul is just barely doable. I wouldn't want to try it without two drivers. Let's look at your itinerary: Provo to Cardston: 12 hours (Wednesday the 20th and/or Thursday the 21st) Cardston to Edmonton: 6 hours (Thursday the 21st or Friday the 22nd) Edmonton to Prince George: 8 hours (Friday the 22nd or Saturday the 23rd) Prince George to Prince Rupert: 8 hours (Saturday the 23rd or Sunday the 24th) Okay, so as long as you leave Provo no later than Thursday morning you should be fine. You can stay at Tom's place and either Marc or my place for two of the three or four nights and that will help the pocketbook. = Mark Gregson [EMAIL PROTECTED] = -- ___ Get your free email from http://mymail.operamail.com Powered by Outblaze // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
RE: [ZION] A Whirlwind Trip South
John, My folks place is in Sanpete County, about 50 miles southeast of Provo--midway between Provo and Manti. This is about two hours of highway time from the airport, or from downtown SLC. In any case I'm really flexible. How about you and Doug figure out a schedule that works, and I'll be happy to fit in however ya'll think is workable. A Salt Lake Temple session would be magnificent--I haven't been there for more than twenty five years. Also convenient to that neighborhood is the beautiful Bountiful Temple just to the north, and the lovely Jordan River Temple to the south. Anyone else that can join us for a Saturday evening? --- Mij Ebaboc // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
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-Stephen- I wish I could, Stephen. But there isn't any coastal route from the Seattle area to Prince Rupert. Nonsense! There's always a route. Oh, do you mean a route you can drive your car through? Never mind. You mean you can't get in any of the building because they laid you off? Shame on them. I left Microsoft a little over a year ago and have been working as a contingent staffer, basically a contract player. I can't work for more than a year at a time without taking a mandatory break in service of 100 days. So that's what I'm doing now. Now that you are no longer working for Microsoft, do you still have the tenacious loyalty to them that you used to feel? I don't know how much personal loyalty I ever felt toward Microsoft -- some, I suppose. I feel none now, nor have I in well over a year, at least. Microsoft is a corporation and will do what it thinks it needs to do to keep its corporate interests satisfied. If keeping me happy helps them, they'll keep me happy. Otherwise, they won't. That is the nature of business in America. I enjoy working at Microsoft. It's a stimulating and rewarding work environment. They hire gobs of very smart, very competent people. I always feel stretched working there. But that doesn't mean I wouldn't consider working elsewhere, with non-MS technology. I would and I am. How is the job hunt going? Far more slowly than I had anticipated, to tell the truth. The job market in the Seattle area is so slow, I'm starting to look elsewhere. Thanks for asking. Stephen // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
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-Stephen- -Stephen- I wish I could, Stephen. But there isn't any coastal route from the Seattle area to Prince Rupert. Amazing. I quoted myself. No, wait, that was actually John. I just got confused and thought he was me because he's going to be in Utah with me. Except that I don't live in Utah. This is so confusing... I picked my wife up at the airport late last night. We didn't get to bed until after 2:00. I plead sleep deprivation. The Real Stephen // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
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Mark Gregson wrote: do what we can to accommodate you. I'm probably the closest to the highway you'll be on (the Yellowhead) but Mark's not too far off, and That's right. It's a fifteen minute drive from my house to the highway, John, so call me when you get to the little white church by the overpass aka the interchange with County Highway 774. South takes you into Stony Plain, and you go north to Mark's place. Before that, when you come to the fork in the freeway between 16 (Yellowhead) and 16A (Parkland), take 16, which is to the left, or north, of 16A. To get to our place you take what I think is the next interchange past 774, called Century Road, south to Spruce Grove (there's a level crossing you can take that's quicker, but it's more dangerous in the winter). From there I'd give you more precise directions. If you take 16A you can also get to Mark's by going north on the Interchange with 48th Street in Stony Plain, and 16A turns into an ordinary highway with 5 sets of traffic lights as you go right through Spruce Grove. The two highways (16 and 16A) are only a couple of miles apart. and I'll swing down to see you. Unless it's snowing hard, in which case it will take longer because I'll have to hitch up the dog sled. I can get to Marc's house in less than twenty-five minutes so let me know when you need me to go straighten him out. Let me know if you do decide to pass through. I'd be delighted to meet you. It'll be a little late for barbequed beef but we can roast some Alberta prime in the oven. And I just noticed last night that Cathy has a canister of Godiva cocoa on the cupboard... = Mark Gregson [EMAIL PROTECTED] = -- Marc A. Schindler Spruce Grove, Alberta, Canada -- Gateway to the Boreal Parkland Man will occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of the time he will pick himself up and continue on Winston Churchill Note: This communication represents the informal personal views of the author solely; its contents do not necessarily reflect those of the authors employer, nor those of any organization with which the author may be associated. // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^^=== This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^^===
RE: [ZION] A Whirlwind Trip South
I'll leave Wednesday morning however early I need to. But if I leave Cardston before noon on Thursday, I ought to be able to get to Edmonton about 6:00 PM or even earlier don't you think? Sure, so long as the weather cooperates. It's dual lane divided highway all the way except for a small stretch out of Cardston. Also, dual line divided for about half the way between Edmonton and Prince George (Edmonton to Hinton). However, we have had snow for several days running now so you never can tell. It will probably be better if it's colder than now because then the roads will clear off instead of being slippery. If you don't need to go into Edmonton itself, take the bypass: Hwy #19 just north of the airport, then past Devon up to Hwy 16 (or 16A if you are going to Marc's). Edmonton. If we could spend a night with you, that would be great. Sure, but wouldn't you rather stay at Marc's? The conversation would be much, uhh, livelier :-) Plus, he has a bigger library than me (but I'll bet I have more of the kind of books you like.) It's almost too bad that you aren't coming through in mid December (well, except for the roads) because then we could go see The Two Towers at Silver City. My calendar is marked. road. Is the road from Edmonton to Prince George as good as the road from Prince George to Prince Rupert? I haven't driven to Prince George, let alone Prince Rupert but I suspect that the road is pretty much the same on either stretch i.e. all weather paved with full services. The Edmonton-Prince George leg is probably better in foul weather because it is likely more travelled. up here in the north country. The air is clean, and that is important to me, not so much because it is healthier to breathe, but because it doesn't muck up my view of the mountains. That is, if the rain ever stops long enough to actually see the mountains. Maybe you should get the VERILUX® HappyEyes? Floor Lamp: http://www.technoscout.com/general/product/product.asp?product=603Prod_Name=Happy_Eyes_Floor_Lampsite=85922 = Mark Gregson [EMAIL PROTECTED] = -- ___ Get your free email from http://mymail.operamail.com Powered by Outblaze // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
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John W. Redelfs wrote: Is the road from Edmonton to Prince George as good as the road from Prince George to Prince Rupert? It's basically freeway* almost half the way (from Hinton to Edmonton -- the last 40% of the way, iow), and good 2-lane highway with shoulders and passing lanes from just west of Hinton to Prince George. Watch the weather in the Yellowhead Pass and the mountain parks -- bridge decks can ice over quickly, but I'm sure you're used to those kinds of conditions from your trips to Whitehorse. Edmonton to Fort Macleod is good freeway all the way -- with 110 kph speed limits except in Calgary city limits, where it's 100 (flow of traffic is usually 120 kph). You pass the Edmonton temple coming from Mark's and my area (via the Whitemud Freeway -- the temple's at the 53rd Avenue interchange on your left -- believe me, you can't miss it), and take Calgary Trail south at Whitemud Crossing. Calgary Trail turns into Highway 2 at the city limits, just north of the international airport. In Calgary Highway 2 becomes Deerfoot Trail, a 6-to-8-lane urban freeway, which takes you all the way through the city. Right now an extension is being built (I'm not sure if it's finished yet) which allows a smooth junction with Macleod Trail, the old Highway 2; last time I was there the Deerfoot ended at Marquis of Lorne Trail (164th Ave SE) and you had to go west a few klicks to connect with Highway 2 and continue on to Fort Macleod, where the divided highway ends. The highway goes through several towns, where you have to slow down: Nanton and Claresholm, in particular. On a clear day this is one of the nicer stretches, with the Rockies off to your right, and flat-as-a-pancake prairies to your left. To get to Cardston, you go through the town of Fort Macleod, and you'll see the turnoff, to the right, for Highway 2 to Cardston (if you keep going straight you'll be in Lethbridge). The only town between Fort Macleod and Cardston is Stand-Off, on the northern border of the Blood Reserve (it's the site of a Hutterite colony), then just occasional houses by the road. Good highway, but tends to be subject to white-outs in blizzard conditions. On a clear day see who spots the temple first -- it is truly the town's landmark, and is kind of an architectural echo of Chief Mountain behind it (which is a squarish massif). The Blood Reserve ends at the Cardston town boundary (highway 5 west to Waterton NP/Glacier NP forms the boundary). You'll want to stay to the left, to Main Street. Tom's place is almost all the way through town, over Lee's Creek and up a hill and then to the left -- he can give you more precise directions (he only lives a few doors away from my brother). *but with some level crossings -- watch out for logging, coal and oil rig trucks between Hinton and Edson. This is prime drilling season in the northern muskeg because the ground will be frozen, and the Yellowhead skirts the southern edge of the muskeg in some areas. Anyway, I'm still just juggling things in my mind. I'm actually pretty excited about this new adventure, not to mention having my daughter and her husband living a little closer. Becky has health problems, and her mother worries about her being so far away. I'm also really glad she is moving to Juneau. If she and Jeff settle there, when Esperanza retires from the government in about 2 years, we are more likely to stay here in SE Alaska if Becky is up here. And to tell you the truth, I have not been looking forward to moving south. I just love it up here in the north country. The air is clean, and that is important to me, not so much because it is healthier to breathe, but because it doesn't muck up my view of the mountains. Your friend and brother, John W. Redelfs, [EMAIL PROTECTED] // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / -- Marc A. Schindler Spruce Grove, Alberta, Canada -- Gateway to the Boreal Parkland Man will occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of the time he will pick himself up and continue on Winston Churchill Note: This communication represents the informal personal views of the author solely; its contents do not necessarily reflect those of the authors employer, nor those of any organization with which the author may be associated. // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^^=== This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A
Re: [ZION] A Whirlwind Trip South
At 12:17 11/12/2002 -0700, M Marc wrote: another aspect of this is that I lose my sense of where I am in space if I don't have enough visual or tactile clues, and don't know up from down. Often I don't realize I've even fallen until I feel the pain from the blow). Ah, my friend, come grovel in the mud with Till. Can't fall far from THAT perch! // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
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I've been a little overwhelmed with the volume of chatter today. I've tried, at the least, to read everything on this thread but I can't be sure. So I'll summarize and stand to be corrected if necessary. My understanding is that JWR is planning to leave Provo on Wednesday November 20, 2002 in the early morning with a view to landing in Cardston in the evening. He will be with his daughter. We will provide a bedroom with a bed for each of them and nourishment as required. (I have a stake presidency meeting scheduled for that evening and will not be available from 6:00 until about 9:00, although I do have some control of the agenda and may be able to shorten the meeting a bit). In the morning we will eat and then go to the Cardston Temple for a session. The first one in the morning requires arrival of about 9:10 a.m.. That would get your out of the temple by shortly after 11:00. If you strike off for Edmonton at that time you will be there around 5 or 6 in the evening. I believe this is the part of your itinerary that concerns me. Let me know if I have it right. I understand that it's tentative at this point. But I can advise that I have already discussed the matter with the mistress of the house and she is delighted with the idea, although her job will not allow her to slack off and go to the temple with us on Thursday morning. I will give you more detailed directions to Cardston off the I-15 in due course and also my toll free long distance telephone number (off list, I guess, there is this thing about Internet security) so you can advise of your progress as you near Cardston. I should just mention that Marc has it a little off in his directions to get to Cardston. It's not at all necessary or desirable to go all the way to Lethbridge or Fort Macleod and then backtrack to Cardston. You can cut over almost directly to Cardston from the US/Canada border and the net effect of coming to Cardston would add less than 15 or 20 minutes to your trip, (except for the 14 or 15 hours you would laze around my house ;-). Tom Cardston, Alberta www.matkin.com // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
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Thanks for the encouraging word, but you'd be surprised. After my last fall, on Sunday evening, I thought I had landed up against the wall. I was actually on the floor. It was totally dark and I hadn't a clue where I was. Someone had broken one of our cardinal rules here, which is never leave the basement door open, and I had been working in my study early one evening, and was the only one down on that level. I had forgotten that it starts getting dark early here these days, so when I shut off my study light, I couldn't see much. I had to cross through a corner of our family room in front of the basement door to reach the stairs up to the kitchen. I decided to turn around and turn on a light, as all I could see were the external windows that line our family room wall opposite me. Suddenly those windows up-ended and that's the only reason I knew I was falling. I thought, oh well, no problem, the basement door's only a metre away and the worst that could happen is a bruised shoulder and maybe a dent in the door. But as it was open, I cartwheeled down the stairs, putting my head through the gyprock wall across from the bottom of the stairs (it was that wall that I thought I was propped against). Oh well, the day wasn't a loss: My wife and I had earlier visited another ward where our daughter and son-in-law and grand-daughter (and my old boss and his family) live, to watch Shea, who will be 4 in a little less than a month, give her first sacrament talk (coached by her Mom). She was gorgeous, with her hair curled and her finest dress on -- just like a little doll. And goshdarnit, I don't have a prejudiced bone in my body. [yeah, right] :-) Elmer L. Fairbank wrote: At 12:17 11/12/2002 -0700, M Marc wrote: another aspect of this is that I lose my sense of where I am in space if I don't have enough visual or tactile clues, and don't know up from down. Often I don't realize I've even fallen until I feel the pain from the blow). Ah, my friend, come grovel in the mud with Till. Can't fall far from THAT perch! // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / -- Marc A. Schindler Spruce Grove, Alberta, Canada -- Gateway to the Boreal Parkland Man will occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of the time he will pick himself up and continue on Winston Churchill Note: This communication represents the informal personal views of the author solely; its contents do not necessarily reflect those of the authors employer, nor those of any organization with which the author may be associated. // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^^=== This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^^===
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Gary Smith wrote: What, no back bacon And how about giving our poor Ketchikaner a took, so he can bear those cold Canadian winters and Marc's liberal kindness? Who took John's toque? They should give it back. I have a siwash I can lend him. It's bright red with snowflake patterns, so he won't get lost in the snow. John, if you schedule it now, you can get scheduled to get an MRI scheduled in Canada when you pass through Lethbridge of course you'd have to return 6 months later for the actual MRI... ;-) Yeah, we're so close to the North Magnetic Pole it takes a mathematician to figure out the results. Seriously -- did you guys hear about a case back east somewhere, New York state, iirc, where a tech had inadvertently left an oxygen cylinder in the room, and when the MRI was turned on, it got sucked right into the core, killing the poor patient (a young boy) instantly. I didn't think I could have an MRI because my sternum (breastbone) looks like the inside of a Canadian Tire store (or Home Depot or whatever your hardware chains are called) -- it's all wired together with titanium wire. Plus the sleeve of my heart valve is made out of silver, and the valve posts are also titanium. The rest is kevlar and dacron, of all things. But anyway, lotsa metal. But I've had about 3 or 4 MRI's now (including something I'd never heard of, called an MRA, where they just look at arteries in the brain), and they said it's not a problem. With today's MRI's apparently you can tone the Gaussian fields down to the point where it won't rip a poor guy's chest apart, and they just keep you in longer, and the math does the rest, in combining the images through interference patterns to build up a proper image. Kewl! I watched Siemens techs install an MRI in Dos Hermanos hospital in downtown Havana once, and it was incredible the huge coils that they were putting in -- in a back room the patient never sees. As I recall, they act as giant capacitors to allow this almighty surge of electricity to go through the metal loop of the MRI when it's turned on. The cables were the size of my arms. K'aya K'ama, Gerald/gary Smithgszion1 @juno.comhttp://www .geocities.com/rameumptom/index.html No one is as hopelessly enslaved as the person who thinks he's free. - Johann Wolfgang von Goethe Mark Gregson: Let me know if you do decide to pass through. I'd be delighted to meet you. It'll be a little late for barbequed beef but we can roast some Alberta prime in the oven. Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / -- Marc A. Schindler Spruce Grove, Alberta, Canada -- Gateway to the Boreal Parkland Man will occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of the time he will pick himself up and continue on Winston Churchill Note: This communication represents the informal personal views of the author solely; its contents do not necessarily reflect those of the authors employer, nor those of any organization with which the author may be associated. // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^^=== This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^^===
RE: [ZION] a whirlwind trip south
-Marc- Seriously -- did you guys hear about a case back east somewhere, New York state, iirc, where a tech had inadvertently left an oxygen cylinder in the room, and when the MRI was turned on, it got sucked right into the core, killing the poor patient (a young boy) instantly. Unless MRI technology has changed significantly in the last 7-8 years, I find this a bit hard to swallow. An MRI uses a huge, powerful magnetic field, on the order of 1-2 Tesla. This field is static and always on. In fact, there is (or at least, there used to be) a big red Quench button in the MRI room, used to shut off the magnet. A surefire way to experience a sudden job change was to press the button without sufficient cause. Anyhow, performing the MRI involved introducing relatively small changes to this huge magnetic field (using another coil or coils) at varying frequencies. So turning on the MRI should not result in any perceptible change in the magnetic field, which is pretty constant as far as things like keys and oxygen tanks go. Ronn can explain more, and I'm sure he'll correct me if I'm wrong. I didn't think I could have an MRI because my sternum (breastbone) looks like the inside of a Canadian Tire store (or Home Depot or whatever your hardware chains are called) -- it's all wired together with titanium wire. Plus the sleeve of my heart valve is made out of silver, and the valve posts are also titanium. The rest is kevlar and dacron, of all things. But anyway, lotsa metal. As far as I know, only ferromagnetic materials pose a danger. I don't think either titanium or silver is ferromagnetic, though I could be wrong. And as you point out, the techs can mathematically correct for the presence of metal, which will introduce distortions whether or not it's ferromagnetic. Stephen // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
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Stephen Beecroft wrote: As far as I know, only ferromagnetic materials pose a danger. I don't think either titanium or silver is ferromagnetic, though I could be wrong. And as you point out, the techs can mathematically correct for the presence of metal, which will introduce distortions whether or not it's ferromagnetic. That's right, I forgot, but now that you mention it, the techs said that scattering from the metal was a bigger problem than having my chest ripped open. :-) Stephen -- Marc A. Schindler Spruce Grove, Alberta, Canada -- Gateway to the Boreal Parkland Man will occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of the time he will pick himself up and continue on Winston Churchill Note: This communication represents the informal personal views of the author solely; its contents do not necessarily reflect those of the authors employer, nor those of any organization with which the author may be associated. // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^^=== This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^^===
[ZION] A Whirlwind Trip South
It looks like I'm going to make a whirlwind visit to SLC-Provo this coming weekend. My son-in-law, Jeff, has taken a job with the University of Alaska in Juneau and has to report for work on the 19th. He is going to fly up and leave my daughter with the job of driving the family automobile to Prince Rupert and putting it on the ferry. I thought I would fly down there and help her drive back. So... I'm going to be in Provo from about 4:00 PM Saturday, until I hit the road for Canada on Wednesday morning, Nov. 20th. I've got to be to the ferry in Prince Rupert by Sunday the 24th at 4:30 PM. By my calculations it is going to be a 1287 miles trip from Provo to Prince Rupert by shortest route. But the route passes pretty close to Cardston and Edmonton. I wonder if I should breeze through and say hi to Tom and the two Emontonions on my way. It would only add about 300 miles to my trip, and I'm going to get to Prince Rupert about a day early anyway. It sure would be fun to meet Tom, Marc and Mark face to face. Anyone in the Provo-SLC area that would like to go to McDonald's with me or something? Your friend and brother, John W. Redelfs, [EMAIL PROTECTED] // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
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After much pondering, Stephen Beecroft favored us with: If you decide to take the coastal route, stop by and visit. I'll even show you around Microsoft's campus, though I can't get in any buildings... I wish I could, Stephen. But there isn't any coastal route from the Seattle area to Prince Rupert. It means driving hundreds of miles inland to go north in BC only to drive hundreds of miles back to the coast. You mean you can't get in any of the building because they laid you off? Shame on them. Now that you are no longer working for Microsoft, do you still have the tenacious loyalty to them that you used to feel? How is the job hunt going? John W. Redelfs [EMAIL PROTECTED] === At present, the Book of Mormon is studied in our Sunday School and seminary classes every fourth year. This four-year pattern, however, must not be followed by Church members in their personal and family study. We need to read daily from the pages of the book that will get a man nearer to God by abiding by its precepts, than by any other book. (Ezra Taft Benson, October 1988) === All my opinions are tentative pending further data. --JWR // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
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John, I'm living at my folk's place in central Utah these days. Not doing much of anything--I've just been hanging around half-heartedly looking for gainful employment. I can come and find you just about any time. It would be great fun to get together--how about a temple session at Provo, or Timpanogos? --- Jim Cobabe // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
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Marc A. Schindler wrote: Let us know what you decide, and I'm sure I speak for the 3 of us when I say we'll do what we can to accommodate you. I'm probably the closest to the highway you'll be on (the Yellowhead) but Mark's not too far off, and Cardston's about a 45 minute side trip each way (from the main highway south from Lethbridge to Montana). The trip from Provo to Cardston takes 12 hours if you only stop for gas and perhaps one or two very fast pottie breaks at road side rest areas. If you tempt fate and have a very fast car you can do it in 11 hours. If you are a young person in love and out of touch with reality you might even shave a half hour off that. If you are the type that stops to eat it will take you 13 or 14 hours. If you stop to smell the roses well plan for two days. There are a wide variety of routes with varying advantages and disadvantages. Basically, the best thing to do is take the I-15 from Provo to at least Wolf Creek Mt. Just north of Wolf Creek you can cut off for the shortest route to Canada (not necessarily the quickest). If you are interested in the quickest you carry on through Great Falls to the border. There are a couple of places to cut off when Cardston is your goal to save a few minutes, but the Coutts/Sweetgrass border crossing on I-15 is the only 24 hour port of entry in the vicinity and going there reduces the complication of possibly sleeping in a car in the Montana wilderness waiting for the border to open in the distant morning. After crossing the border at Coutts/Sweetgrass you get to Cardston either by taking highway #501 west after going north from the border about 12 miles. Or you can go about 20 miles north and cut off west to Raymond, then south to Cardston. But that's longer and the road isn't any better imho. If you stretched your day out on Wednesday to reach Cardston you would find beds and breakfast at the Matkin home. The next day it would be a 6 hour drive to Edmonton. I'm no expert on how long it takes to get from Edmonton to Prince Rupert. But it would probably take a monster day (we used to drive from here to Vancouver in a single day, when we didn't know any better and I suppose it would be a comparable journey). If it stretched out for two days you would get to Prince Rupert by Sat. night. Which builds a little slack into your itinerary in case you have a flat tire, get hit by food poisoning from eating tainted deep fried chicken gizzards at the Flying J in Rocker, Montana (just west of beautiful downtown Butte) get lost, encounter normal winter driving conditions, or stop to smell the roses. Tom John W. Redelfs wrote: It looks like I'm going to make a whirlwind visit to SLC-Provo this coming weekend. My son-in-law, Jeff, has taken a job with the University of Alaska in Juneau and has to report for work on the 19th. He is going to fly up and leave my daughter with the job of driving the family automobile to Prince Rupert and putting it on the ferry. I thought I would fly down there and help her drive back. So... I'm going to be in Provo from about 4:00 PM Saturday, until I hit the road for Canada on Wednesday morning, Nov. 20th. I've got to be to the ferry in Prince Rupert by Sunday the 24th at 4:30 PM. By my calculations it is going to be a 1287 miles trip from Provo to Prince Rupert by shortest route. But the route passes pretty close to Cardston and Edmonton. I wonder if I should breeze through and say hi to Tom and the two Emontonions on my way. It would only add about 300 miles to my trip, and I'm going to get to Prince Rupert about a day early anyway. It sure would be fun to meet Tom, Marc and Mark face to face. Anyone in the Provo-SLC area that would like to go to McDonald's with me or something? Your friend and brother, John W. Redelfs, [EMAIL PROTECTED] // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / -- Marc A. Schindler Spruce Grove, Alberta, Canada -- Gateway to the Boreal Parkland Man will occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of the time he will pick himself up and continue on Winston Churchill Note: This communication represents the informal personal views of the author solely; its contents do not necessarily reflect those of the authors employer, nor those of any organization with which the author may be associated. // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// /
Re: [ZION] A Whirlwind Trip South
Don't worry, John, they all look the same anyway ;-) But it is a nice, green campus -- kind of like a university. Stephen was a good host when I visited there. Sadly illness has prevented return trips, although my minister has been down since to speak at the Microsoft world government leaders conference, and normally I'm part of his retinue. I like Seattle (except for the traffic). I'm one of the few people who, during the all too brief time I lived there, actually enjoyed the climate. Stephen Beecroft wrote: If you decide to take the coastal route, stop by and visit. I'll even show you around Microsoft's campus, though I can't get in any buildings... Stephen John W. Redelfs wrote: It looks like I'm going to make a whirlwind visit to SLC-Provo this coming weekend. My son-in-law, Jeff, has taken a job with the University of Alaska in Juneau and has to report for work on the 19th. He is going to fly up and leave my daughter with the job of driving the family automobile to Prince Rupert and putting it on the ferry. I thought I would fly down there and help her drive back. So... I'm going to be in Provo from about 4:00 PM Saturday, until I hit the road for Canada on Wednesday morning, Nov. 20th. I've got to be to the ferry in Prince Rupert by Sunday the 24th at 4:30 PM. By my calculations it is going to be a 1287 miles trip from Provo to Prince Rupert by shortest route. But the route passes pretty close to Cardston and Edmonton. I wonder if I should breeze through and say hi to Tom and the two Emontonions on my way. It would only add about 300 miles to my trip, and I'm going to get to Prince Rupert about a day early anyway. It sure would be fun to meet Tom, Marc and Mark face to face. Anyone in the Provo-SLC area that would like to go to McDonald's with me or something? Your friend and brother, John W. Redelfs, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Stephen // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / -- Marc A. Schindler Spruce Grove, Alberta, Canada -- Gateway to the Boreal Parkland Man will occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of the time he will pick himself up and continue on Winston Churchill Note: This communication represents the informal personal views of the author solely; its contents do not necessarily reflect those of the authors employer, nor those of any organization with which the author may be associated. // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^^=== This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^^===
Re: [ZION] A Whirlwind Trip South
Edmonton to Prince Rupert depends a lot on the weather. Good weather -- probably 10 hours. Bad weather...well, who knows. The freeway from Edmonton (the Yellowhead) peters out around Hinton, as I recall, but it's still good highway through Jasper National Park and in B.C. BC speed limits are only 90 kph, though. Tom Matkin wrote: Marc A. Schindler wrote: Let us know what you decide, and I'm sure I speak for the 3 of us when I say we'll do what we can to accommodate you. I'm probably the closest to the highway you'll be on (the Yellowhead) but Mark's not too far off, and Cardston's about a 45 minute side trip each way (from the main highway south from Lethbridge to Montana). The trip from Provo to Cardston takes 12 hours if you only stop for gas and perhaps one or two very fast pottie breaks at road side rest areas. If you tempt fate and have a very fast car you can do it in 11 hours. If you are a young person in love and out of touch with reality you might even shave a half hour off that. If you are the type that stops to eat it will take you 13 or 14 hours. If you stop to smell the roses well plan for two days. There are a wide variety of routes with varying advantages and disadvantages. Basically, the best thing to do is take the I-15 from Provo to at least Wolf Creek Mt. Just north of Wolf Creek you can cut off for the shortest route to Canada (not necessarily the quickest). If you are interested in the quickest you carry on through Great Falls to the border. There are a couple of places to cut off when Cardston is your goal to save a few minutes, but the Coutts/Sweetgrass border crossing on I-15 is the only 24 hour port of entry in the vicinity and going there reduces the complication of possibly sleeping in a car in the Montana wilderness waiting for the border to open in the distant morning. After crossing the border at Coutts/Sweetgrass you get to Cardston either by taking highway #501 west after going north from the border about 12 miles. Or you can go about 20 miles north and cut off west to Raymond, then south to Cardston. But that's longer and the road isn't any better imho. If you stretched your day out on Wednesday to reach Cardston you would find beds and breakfast at the Matkin home. The next day it would be a 6 hour drive to Edmonton. I'm no expert on how long it takes to get from Edmonton to Prince Rupert. But it would probably take a monster day (we used to drive from here to Vancouver in a single day, when we didn't know any better and I suppose it would be a comparable journey). If it stretched out for two days you would get to Prince Rupert by Sat. night. Which builds a little slack into your itinerary in case you have a flat tire, get hit by food poisoning from eating tainted deep fried chicken gizzards at the Flying J in Rocker, Montana (just west of beautiful downtown Butte) get lost, encounter normal winter driving conditions, or stop to smell the roses. Tom John W. Redelfs wrote: It looks like I'm going to make a whirlwind visit to SLC-Provo this coming weekend. My son-in-law, Jeff, has taken a job with the University of Alaska in Juneau and has to report for work on the 19th. He is going to fly up and leave my daughter with the job of driving the family automobile to Prince Rupert and putting it on the ferry. I thought I would fly down there and help her drive back. So... I'm going to be in Provo from about 4:00 PM Saturday, until I hit the road for Canada on Wednesday morning, Nov. 20th. I've got to be to the ferry in Prince Rupert by Sunday the 24th at 4:30 PM. By my calculations it is going to be a 1287 miles trip from Provo to Prince Rupert by shortest route. But the route passes pretty close to Cardston and Edmonton. I wonder if I should breeze through and say hi to Tom and the two Emontonions on my way. It would only add about 300 miles to my trip, and I'm going to get to Prince Rupert about a day early anyway. It sure would be fun to meet Tom, Marc and Mark face to face. Anyone in the Provo-SLC area that would like to go to McDonald's with me or something? Your friend and brother, John W. Redelfs, [EMAIL PROTECTED] // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / -- Marc A. Schindler Spruce Grove, Alberta, Canada -- Gateway to the Boreal Parkland Man will occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of the time he will pick himself up and continue on Winston Churchill Note: This communication represents the informal personal views of the author solely; its contents do not necessarily reflect those of the authors employer, nor those of
