RE: [ZION] A few more representative quotes...

2004-03-23 Thread RB Scott


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From: Jim Cobabe [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, March 22, 2004 11:38 PM
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Subject: [ZION] A few more representative quotes...

--Quoting President Hinckley --
There are those who would have us believe in the
validity of what they
choose to call same-sex marriage. Our hearts reach out
to those who
struggle with feelings of affinity for the same gender.
We remember you
before the Lord, we sympathize with you, we regard you
as our brothers
and our sisters. However, we cannot condone immoral
practices on your
part any more than we can condone immoral practices on
the part of
others…

With so much of sophistry that is passed off as truth,
with so much of
deception concerning standards and values, with so much
of allurement
and enticement to take on the slow stain of the world,
we have felt to
warn and forewarn. In furtherance of this we of the
First Presidency and
the Council of the Twelve Apostles now issue a
proclamation to the
Church and to the world as a declaration and
reaffirmation of standards,
doctrines, and practices relative to the family which
the prophets,
seers, and revelators of this church have repeatedly
stated throughout
its history…

“We warn that individuals who violate covenants of
chastity, who abuse
spouse or offspring, or who fail to fulfill family
responsibilities will
one day stand accountable before God. Further, we warn that the
disintegration of the family will bring upon
individuals, communities,
and nations the calamities foretold by ancient and
modern prophets…
“We call upon responsible citizens and officers of
government everywhere
to promote those measures designed to maintain and
strengthen the family
as the fundamental unit of society.”  (Gordon B.
Hinckley, “Stand Strong
against the Wiles of the World,” Ensign, Nov. 1995)

Jim, in another post aimed at me you wrote: I can seldom discern
from your rhetoric exactly where you stand with regard to
anything divinely inspired.  Whether you are out of step is
up to you, but when you seem to be advocating things that are
clearly wrong, I feel prompted to either quit reading your
comments, or respond when they seem to need correction.

Thank you for posting several quotes from leaders of the church,
all of which are framed by President Hinckley's proclamation
above, which I fully and heartily endorse.

I am one of many, apparently, who believes the proposed
Constitutional Amendment will not serve the objectives delineated
in President Hinckley's proclamation.

Frankly, I don't think the amendment will make it out of
Congress.  If it does, it is highly unlikely that it will be
approved by three-fourths of the state legislatures. That's why I
oppose going down this road: it will be costly (in dollars and
goodwill),  very divisive, and in the end it will all be for
naught.

That's why I believe it makes more sense to: 1) get the
government out of the business of determining what is and what is
not called a marriage; 2) to carefully think through and plan for
how these alternative lifestyle matters and legal unions will
be explained/taught to our children; 3) to ascertain how they
will affect the free expression of religious beliefs in public
settings; 4) and to teach how one should properly, consistently,
and even-handedly despise sins but love sinners.

If President Hinckley says that supporting the constitutional
amendment is the only way to go on this matter, I will follow
his lead.  Otherwise, I am choosing to support President
Hinckley's  Proclamation on The Family by following the steps
outlined in the paragraph above.


Kind Regards,

Ron Scott

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[ZION] A few more representative quotes...

2004-03-22 Thread Jim Cobabe


The ultimate purpose of the adversary, who has “great wrath, because he 
knoweth that he hath but a short time,” is to disrupt, disturb, and 
destroy the home and the family. Like a ship without a rudder, without a 
compass, we drift from the family values which have anchored us in the 
past. Now we are caught in a current so strong that unless we correct 
our course, civilization as we know it will surely be wrecked to pieces.

Moral values are being neglected and prayer expelled from public schools 
on the pretext that moral teaching belongs to religion. At the same 
time, atheism, the secular religion, is admitted to class, and our 
youngsters are proselyted to a conduct without morality.
World leaders and court judges agree that the family must endure if we 
are to survive. At the same time, they use the words freedom and choice 
as tools to pry apart the safeguards of the past and loosen up the laws 
on marriage, abortion, and gender. In so doing, they promote the very 
things which threaten the family.  (Boyd K. Packer, “The Father and the 
Family,” Ensign, May 1994)

--

We live in a day when there are many political, legal, and social 
pressures for changes that confuse gender and homogenize the differences 
between men and women. Our eternal perspective sets us against changes 
that alter those separate duties and privileges of men and women that 
are essential to accomplish the great plan of happiness.  (Dallin H. 
Oaks, “The Great Plan of Happiness”, General Conference address, 3 Oct 
1993.)

--

There are those who would have us believe in the validity of what they 
choose to call same-sex marriage. Our hearts reach out to those who 
struggle with feelings of affinity for the same gender. We remember you 
before the Lord, we sympathize with you, we regard you as our brothers 
and our sisters. However, we cannot condone immoral practices on your 
part any more than we can condone immoral practices on the part of 
others…

With so much of sophistry that is passed off as truth, with so much of 
deception concerning standards and values, with so much of allurement 
and enticement to take on the slow stain of the world, we have felt to 
warn and forewarn. In furtherance of this we of the First Presidency and 
the Council of the Twelve Apostles now issue a proclamation to the 
Church and to the world as a declaration and reaffirmation of standards, 
doctrines, and practices relative to the family which the prophets, 
seers, and revelators of this church have repeatedly stated throughout 
its history…

“We warn that individuals who violate covenants of chastity, who abuse 
spouse or offspring, or who fail to fulfill family responsibilities will 
one day stand accountable before God. Further, we warn that the 
disintegration of the family will bring upon individuals, communities, 
and nations the calamities foretold by ancient and modern prophets…
“We call upon responsible citizens and officers of government everywhere 
to promote those measures designed to maintain and strengthen the family 
as the fundamental unit of society.”  (Gordon B. Hinckley, “Stand Strong 
against the Wiles of the World,” Ensign, Nov. 1995)

--

Every Latter-day Saint knows that God has forbidden all sexual relations 
outside the bonds of marriage. Most are also aware of the Savior’s 
teaching that it is sinful for a man to look upon and lust after a woman 
(see Matt. 5:28; DC 42:23; DC 63:16).
Attraction between man and woman was instilled by the Creator to ensure 
the perpetuation of mortal life and to draw husband and wife together in 
the family setting he prescribed for the accomplishment of his purposes, 
including the raising of children. In contrast, deviations from God’s 
commandments in the use of procreative powers are grave sins. President 
Joseph F. Smith taught: The Lord drew boundary lines to define 
acceptable limits of tolerance. Danger rises when those divine limits 
are disobeyed. Just as parents teach little children not to run and play 
in the street, the Savior taught us that we need not tolerate evil. 
“Jesus went into the temple of God, and … and overthrew the tables of 
the moneychangers.”  Though He loved the sinner, the Lord said that He 
“cannot look upon sin with the least degree of allowance.”  His Apostle 
Paul specified some of those sins in a letter to the Galatians. The list 
included “adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
“Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, … wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
“Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like.” 
To Paul’s list I might add the regrettable attitudes of bigotry, 
hypocrisy, and prejudice. These were also decried in 1834 by early 
Church leaders who foresaw the eventual rise of this church “amid the 
frowns of bigots and the calumny of hypocrites.”  The Prophet Joseph 
Smith prayed that “prejudices may give way before the truth.” Hatred 
stirs up strife and digs beneath the dignity of mature men and