Re: [ZION] American Gnosticism

2002-10-27 Thread Marc A. Schindler
This is the theme of Harold Bloom's book, "The American Religion." He means that
we believe we have a body of knowledge not known to the body of Christians in
general. I'd suggest reading his book for more information.

"John W. Redelfs" wrote:

> I recently heard Mormonism referred to as American gnosticism.   What does
> that mean?  Does it mean salvation through the acquiring of secret
> knowledge?  And if that is so, are we not modern gnostics?  For we are
> taught that gospel knowledge is the most important kind of knowledge and we
> call our temples a "house of learning."  We go there to learn things that
> cannot even be discussed outside the temple.  We learn line upon line,
> precept upon precept until we have learned... what?  And if this knowledge
> not available to every person sitting in the Ketchikan Ward Elder's quorum,
> if all of the saving ordinances are not available except to those who have
> mastered some esoteric temple knowledge, does that not make us gnostics?
>
> I am asking this out of genuine ignorance.  In other words, it is not a
> rhetorical question.  I am not asking as a method of teaching.  I would
> like to know the answers to these questions.
>
> John W. Redelfs   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Re: [ZION] American Gnosticism

2002-10-27 Thread Paul Osborne
>I recently heard Mormonism referred to as American gnosticism.   What
does 
>that mean?  


I'm not sure but it sounds like something that is associated with the
ideas and teachings of a progressive religion that has it's own tangents
outside of mainstream thinking. I can see how this term could be applied
to several other Christian religions besides Mormonism. I don't see it as
a negative thing at all but simply a term for classifying religious
evolution; or should I say, revolution?

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[ZION] American Gnosticism

2002-10-27 Thread John W. Redelfs
I recently heard Mormonism referred to as American gnosticism.   What does 
that mean?  Does it mean salvation through the acquiring of secret 
knowledge?  And if that is so, are we not modern gnostics?  For we are 
taught that gospel knowledge is the most important kind of knowledge and we 
call our temples a "house of learning."  We go there to learn things that 
cannot even be discussed outside the temple.  We learn line upon line, 
precept upon precept until we have learned... what?  And if this knowledge 
not available to every person sitting in the Ketchikan Ward Elder's quorum, 
if all of the saving ordinances are not available except to those who have 
mastered some esoteric temple knowledge, does that not make us gnostics?

I am asking this out of genuine ignorance.  In other words, it is not a 
rhetorical question.  I am not asking as a method of teaching.  I would 
like to know the answers to these questions.

John W. Redelfs   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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world  without hate.  And I can picture us attacking that
world, because they'd never expect it.' --Jack Handy
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