Re: [ZION] confiding in bishops

2003-09-21 Thread Paul Osborne

On Sat, 20 Sep 2003 00:14:53 + Jim Cobabe [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:
 
 Counsel with the bishop is a standard answer.  As a problem 
 solving 
 strategy, it usually doesn't work at all, at least in my experience. 
  
 Bishops don't have effective answers for any but the most routine 
 problems.  Many of them are good at running LDS wards, but terrible 
 as 
 personal counselors.
 
 After ten years of crying on bishop's shoulders I have changed my 
 thinking.  It isn't fair for me to unburden my problems on them.  
 I've 
 tried harder to share my confidences with the Lord, and keep my 
 personal 
 problems to myself.
 
 I can imagine the numerous bishops I've dumped my sad story on over 
 the 
 last decade, cringing mentally every time they think about me.  Oh, 
 
 that poor miserable Brother Cobabe.  I hope he doesn't come to me 
 for 
 sympathy again. 

Jim,

My observations are that bishops are selected from a pool of men who can
administer and who have been successful in the ways of the world. I would
be delighted to see men selected from a pool of men who can minister
without regard to administering skills which could be left to the
counselors.

prophet Paul O
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Re: [ZION] confiding in bishops

2003-09-20 Thread Stacy Smith
Their desire, in my opinion, is to coach the person seeking help to get 
personal revelation and help solve their own problems.  At times they have 
referred people to therapists.

Stacy.

At 10:28 PM 09/19/2003 -0400, you wrote:

Jim Cobabe wrote:

Counsel with the bishop is a standard answer.  As a problem solving 
strategy, it usually doesn't work at all, at least in my experience.
Bishops don't have effective answers for any but the most routine 
problems.  Many of them are good at running LDS wards, but terrible as 
personal counselors.

=
Grampa Bill comments:
   As a former Bishop of the Savannah First Ward, I tend to agree. While 
I was given the keys to receive revelation on behalf of the ward, I was 
not given revelation on behalf of Brother Smith's family. Brother Smith 
himself solely had that right. Incidently, as I understand the order of 
the Church, neither the Stake President, the Area President, The 
Brethren, nor the Prophet hold such keys. They are given only to Brother 
Smith. Of course, Sister Smith had the right to revelation in living her 
own life.
   About all a bishop can do is look to see if the members are following 
generalized counsel as given in the scriptures and by the Brethren, and 
counsel them to move in that direction. If he goes further, it is at his 
own peril.
Love y'all,
Grampa Bill in Savannah

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[ZION] confiding in bishops

2003-09-19 Thread Jim Cobabe

Counsel with the bishop is a standard answer.  As a problem solving 
strategy, it usually doesn't work at all, at least in my experience.  
Bishops don't have effective answers for any but the most routine 
problems.  Many of them are good at running LDS wards, but terrible as 
personal counselors.

After ten years of crying on bishop's shoulders I have changed my 
thinking.  It isn't fair for me to unburden my problems on them.  I've 
tried harder to share my confidences with the Lord, and keep my personal 
problems to myself.

I can imagine the numerous bishops I've dumped my sad story on over the 
last decade, cringing mentally every time they think about me.  Oh, 
that poor miserable Brother Cobabe.  I hope he doesn't come to me for 
sympathy again. 

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Re: [ZION] confiding in bishops

2003-09-19 Thread Grampa Bill in Savannah
Jim Cobabe wrote:

Counsel with the bishop is a standard answer.  As a problem solving 
strategy, it usually doesn't work at all, at least in my experience.  
Bishops don't have effective answers for any but the most routine 
problems.  Many of them are good at running LDS wards, but terrible as 
personal counselors.
 

=
Grampa Bill comments:
   As a former Bishop of the Savannah First Ward, I tend to agree. 
While I was given the keys to receive revelation on behalf of the ward, 
I was not given revelation on behalf of Brother Smith's family. Brother 
Smith himself solely had that right. Incidently, as I understand the 
order of the Church, neither the Stake President, the Area President, 
The Brethren, nor the Prophet hold such keys. They are given only to 
Brother Smith. Of course, Sister Smith had the right to revelation in 
living her own life.
   About all a bishop can do is look to see if the members are 
following generalized counsel as given in the scriptures and by the 
Brethren, and counsel them to move in that direction. If he goes 
further, it is at his own peril.
Love y'all,
Grampa Bill in Savannah

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