Re: Liar? [was:Re: [ZION] NMD: fact or fiction?]
Thank you for the retraction. We have to realize honest and well-intended people can see the same data and read it differently. Dan R Allen wrote: > Marc - As my wife reminded me last night, "To err is human, to forgive > divine" > You made a demonstrably false statement couched as irrefutable fact. As I > stated before, I took exception to the condescending tone of dismissal of > my argument implied in your statement and reacted in anger. I should not > have done so, and regret that error. I apologize for calling you a liar, it > was wrong for me to attack you directly instead of the falseness of the > statement. I still do not understand how you could honestly make such an > illogical statement, but will no longer insist that you clarify it. > > / > /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// > /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// > / > -- Marc A. Schindler Spruce Grove, Alberta, Canada -- Gateway to the Boreal Parkland "The greater danger for most of us lies not in setting our aim too high and falling short; but in setting our aim too low, and achieving our mark." --Michelangelo Buonarroti Note: This communication represents the informal personal views of the author solely; its contents do not necessarily reflect those of the authors employer, nor those of any organization with which the author may be associated. / /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^^=== This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^^===
Re: Liar? [was:Re: [ZION] NMD: fact or fiction?]
Marc - As my wife reminded me last night, "To err is human, to forgive divine" You made a demonstrably false statement couched as irrefutable fact. As I stated before, I took exception to the condescending tone of dismissal of my argument implied in your statement and reacted in anger. I should not have done so, and regret that error. I apologize for calling you a liar, it was wrong for me to attack you directly instead of the falseness of the statement. I still do not understand how you could honestly make such an illogical statement, but will no longer insist that you clarify it. / /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
Re: Liar? [was:Re: [ZION] NMD: fact or fiction?]
Dan, I said I'd give you the last word. You gave it: "liar". I asked for a retraction. I'm not going back into the details of this -- the articles (in full, and not just the small excerpts you post here) are both in the list archives. I'm still waiting for the retraction of a personal slur. Dan R Allen wrote: > Dan: > > Article 1, http://www.armscontrol.org/act/2002_04/testapril02.asp states: > "After approximately five minutes, the EKV struck and destroyed the target > at a combined speed of nearly 26,000 kilometers per hour more than 225 > kilometers above the Earth's surface." > > Article 2, from the Economist, which you posted in it's entirety, states: > "...within eight minutes, the killer had detached itself, figured out which > was the fake target and collided with the real one at more than 16,000 > miles per hour." > > Your 'final word': > "I think there's been enough exposure to reports from two respected reports > now to support my claim that the tests were a failure." > > Both articles state that the tests were successful, yet you insisted that > they failed. The only conclusion I could make at the time was that you were > _intentionally_ misreading the information to defend your position, and > declaring the discussion finished. > > Stephen: > I don't believe that Dan was calling you a liar, though I course I could be > wrong. That would be out of character for Dan. I think he was applying that > term to those who author slanted news articles and present them as > unbiased. And fwiw, I don't think it's particularly gentlemanly to say, in > effect, "I'm right and you're wrong, and if you can't see that then you're > blind as a bat, but I'll give you the last word." > > Dan: > Actually I did apply that term to Marc, for the reason I stated above, > sorry to disappoint. I took exception to the tone of supercilious dismissal > I detected in his final words, and while I should have used greater care in > wording my response I chose, in a moment of poor humor, to limit that > response to his 'word' limitation. > > Marc - I am willing to retract my statement if you can show me, from the > two articles we discussed, that the two tests in question were in fact > technical failures; not whether the test objectives were stringent enough, > but that the hardware being tested actually failed to meet the criteria it > was being tested to. > > > Excuse me, Dan. Are you calling me a liar? Has the emotion of this issue > brought > you to such a depth? > > I hope you are calling a 3rd-party print source a liar. I don't know the > list > rules, but in many lists you'd be risking your membership with a personal > slur > like that. > > Dan R Allen wrote: > > > Marc: > > I think there's been enough exposure to reports from two respected > reports > > now to > > support my claim that the tests were a failure. You're free to disagree, > > but I'm > > going to drop it. If you want a last word, be my guest. > > > > Dan: > > Here's your word Marc. "Liar" > > > > / > /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// > /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// > / > -- Marc A. Schindler Spruce Grove, Alberta, Canada -- Gateway to the Boreal Parkland "The greater danger for most of us lies not in setting our aim too high and falling short; but in setting our aim too low, and achieving our mark." --Michelangelo Buonarroti Note: This communication represents the informal personal views of the author solely; its contents do not necessarily reflect those of the authors employer, nor those of any organization with which the author may be associated. / /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^^=== This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^^===
Re: Liar? [was:Re: [ZION] NMD: fact or fiction?]
Dan: Article 1, http://www.armscontrol.org/act/2002_04/testapril02.asp states: "After approximately five minutes, the EKV struck and destroyed the target at a combined speed of nearly 26,000 kilometers per hour more than 225 kilometers above the Earth's surface." Article 2, from the Economist, which you posted in it's entirety, states: "...within eight minutes, the killer had detached itself, figured out which was the fake target and collided with the real one at more than 16,000 miles per hour." Your 'final word': "I think there's been enough exposure to reports from two respected reports now to support my claim that the tests were a failure." Both articles state that the tests were successful, yet you insisted that they failed. The only conclusion I could make at the time was that you were _intentionally_ misreading the information to defend your position, and declaring the discussion finished. Stephen: I don't believe that Dan was calling you a liar, though I course I could be wrong. That would be out of character for Dan. I think he was applying that term to those who author slanted news articles and present them as unbiased. And fwiw, I don't think it's particularly gentlemanly to say, in effect, "I'm right and you're wrong, and if you can't see that then you're blind as a bat, but I'll give you the last word." Dan: Actually I did apply that term to Marc, for the reason I stated above, sorry to disappoint. I took exception to the tone of supercilious dismissal I detected in his final words, and while I should have used greater care in wording my response I chose, in a moment of poor humor, to limit that response to his 'word' limitation. Marc - I am willing to retract my statement if you can show me, from the two articles we discussed, that the two tests in question were in fact technical failures; not whether the test objectives were stringent enough, but that the hardware being tested actually failed to meet the criteria it was being tested to. Excuse me, Dan. Are you calling me a liar? Has the emotion of this issue brought you to such a depth? I hope you are calling a 3rd-party print source a liar. I don't know the list rules, but in many lists you'd be risking your membership with a personal slur like that. Dan R Allen wrote: > Marc: > I think there's been enough exposure to reports from two respected reports > now to > support my claim that the tests were a failure. You're free to disagree, > but I'm > going to drop it. If you want a last word, be my guest. > > Dan: > Here's your word Marc. "Liar" > / /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^^=== This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^^===
Liar? [was:Re: [ZION] NMD: fact or fiction?]
Excuse me, Dan. Are you calling me a liar? Has the emotion of this issue brought you to such a depth? I hope you are calling a 3rd-party print source a liar. I don't know the list rules, but in many lists you'd be risking your membership with a personal slur like that. Dan R Allen wrote: > Marc: > I think there's been enough exposure to reports from two respected reports > now to > support my claim that the tests were a failure. You're free to disagree, > but I'm > going to drop it. If you want a last word, be my guest. > > Dan: > Here's your word Marc. "Liar" > -- Marc A. Schindler Spruce Grove, Alberta, Canada -- Gateway to the Boreal Parkland "The greater danger for most of us lies not in setting our aim too high and falling short; but in setting our aim too low, and achieving our mark." --Michelangelo Buonarroti Note: This communication represents the informal personal views of the author solely; its contents do not necessarily reflect those of the authors employer, nor those of any organization with which the author may be associated. / /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^^=== This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^^===
