Re: [ZION] Cognitive Dissonance

2003-11-05 Thread Jon Spencer
But the Book of Mormon is still the Word of God, right? --JWR The Iron Rod is the Word of God! (Like my voice??) Jon // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html

RE: [ZION] Cognitive Dissonance

2003-11-04 Thread Jim Cobabe
JWR: --- Hate the sin and love the sinner. I understand that. But why do I have to be accepting of a false church in order to be loving towards its deluded, lied to, and oppressed members? I can love a Catholic without loving his church. The same goes for a Lutheran, Methodist,

Re: [ZION] Cognitive Dissonance

2003-11-04 Thread Tom Matkin
- Original Message - From: John W. Redelfs [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2003 12:39 AM Subject: [ZION] Cognitive Dissonance Esperanza and I were reading the Book of Mormon this evening and I came upon a chapter that just doesn't seem to harmonize

Re: [ZION] Cognitive Dissonance

2003-11-04 Thread Tom Matkin
Tom wrote: Talk about cognitive dissidence. Tom comments: I wish I could say that this malopropism was intentional. But I'm typing in the dark here at 4:00 a.m. and the spell checker kept telling me to change Lamanites to laminates and that's all I was thinking about at the time and this got

Re: [ZION] Cognitive Dissonance

2003-11-04 Thread Ronn! Blankenship
At 04:19 AM 11/4/03 -0700, Tom Matkin wrote: I wish I could say that this malopropism was intentional. But I'm typing in the dark here at 4:00 a.m. and the spell checker kept telling me to change Lamanites to laminates That's what happens when a Native American with Jewish ancestry is working

Re: [ZION] Cognitive Dissonance

2003-11-04 Thread John W. Redelfs
Tom Matkin wrote: Without digging into my scriptures for the exact quotes, consider the actions of the sons of Mosiah going to serve and live among the Lamanites in a spirit of love and sacrifice. Talk about cognitive dissidence. Do you think their friends, both the ones they had when they were

Re: [ZION] Cognitive Dissonance

2003-11-04 Thread Rusty Taylor
John-- I have to take exception to your comments, and need to ponder this passage of scripture a bit more, for neither fit my experience with my previous church. the Presbyterian Church did nothing but prepare me to accept the fullness of the Gospel when I heard it. maybe I was not diligent

Re: [ZION] Cognitive Dissonance

2003-11-04 Thread Tom Matkin
- But the Book of Mormon is still the Word of God, right? --JWR Yes. And it tells us all about the sons of Mosiah doesn't it? How they received a great promise of safety from the Lord for their mission of love and service and how they enjoyed miraculous success among a lost and fallen

Re: [ZION] Cognitive Dissonance

2003-11-04 Thread John W. Redelfs
Tom Matkin wrote: So what's the best way to influence a free agent. Love him. Remember my own mantra, whatever the question, the answer is love. I think President Hinckley operates like that. Well, I guess I'll just have to love you into seeing what I see about false churches. Missing Elder

RE: [ZION] Cognitive Dissonance

2003-11-04 Thread Ron Scott
-Original Message- From: Ronn! Blankenship [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2003 6:32 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [ZION] Cognitive Dissonance At 04:19 AM 11/4/03 -0700, Tom Matkin wrote: I wish I could say that this malopropism was intentional

RE: [ZION] Cognitive Dissonance

2003-11-04 Thread Ron Scott
-Original Message- From: Tom Matkin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2003 8:39 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [ZION] Cognitive Dissonance - But the Book of Mormon is still the Word of God, right? --JWR Yes. And it tells us all about the sons

RE: [ZION] Cognitive Dissonance

2003-11-04 Thread Tom Matkin
Tom, I like the way you think. Although, all things considered, I'd like to think President Hinckley argues to be in the world, but not of it. Which is not a bad place to be if you can do it. Ron I agree with that, but I was obliquely referencing the exhortation in Moroni 10: 30 And

RE: [ZION] Cognitive Dissonance

2003-11-04 Thread John W. Redelfs
Ron Scott wrote: Well, I guess I'll just have to love you into seeing what I see about false churches. Missing Elder McConkie, John W. Redelfs Thank goodness for living prophets. You couldn't have said it any better, Ron. You are a good man. --JWR