Re: [ZION] Constitutional Losses

2003-06-05 Thread Chet Cox
On Tue, 27 May 2003 23:00:24 -0400 Jon Spencer [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I, on the other hand, while watching the situation very carefully, have not yet asked for a Prozac prescription. While I do not trust the government, neither do I assume evil intent. Indeed. Never ascribe evil

Re: [ZION] Constitutional Losses

2003-05-30 Thread George Cobabe
OK - I think you are taking a wise stance. George - Original Message - From: Scott McGee [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 3:16 PM Subject: Re: [ZION] Constitutional Losses George, I don't necessarily see it that way, but I certainly consider

RE: [ZION] Constitutional Losses

2003-05-29 Thread Larry Jackson
Stacy Smith: I have most of the writings of Joseph Smith. I'm going to hunt up what was said. ___ I think someone already posted the two best quotes I have ever heard on the subject. The problem, as I see it, is that if the elders are going to save the constitution as it hangs

RE: [ZION] Constitutional Losses

2003-05-29 Thread Steven Montgomery
At 08:54 AM 5/28/2003, you wrote: Stacy Smith: I have most of the writings of Joseph Smith. I'm going to hunt up what was said. ___ I think someone already posted the two best quotes I have ever heard on the subject. The problem, as I see it, is that if the elders are going to save

Re: [ZION] Constitutional Losses

2003-05-29 Thread George Cobabe
intact will be the people of Zion. You might want to read or review Lunds book - The Coming of the Lord. George - Original Message - From: Jon Spencer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2003 9:32 PM Subject: Re: [ZION] Constitutional Losses Doesn't prophesy

Re: [ZION] Constitutional Losses

2003-05-29 Thread George Cobabe
] Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2003 9:57 PM Subject: Re: [ZION] Constitutional Losses At 09:32 PM 5/27/2003, you wrote: Doesn't prophesy say that the Elders will save it? Jon There are different versions and remembrances of Joseph Smith's statement (Given on July 19th 1840). Orson Hyde

Re: [ZION] Constitutional Losses

2003-05-29 Thread Steven Montgomery
At 10:37 AM 5/28/2003, you wrote: Steven - even in Knowlton's quote it does not say the nation would be saved, only that the constitution will be borne away from destruction. This may very well be separate from the entity known as the United States. It is unlikely, for example, that the city of

Re: [ZION] Constitutional Losses

2003-05-29 Thread Scott McGee
book - The Coming of the Lord. George - Original Message - From: Jon Spencer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2003 9:32 PM Subject: Re: [ZION] Constitutional Losses Doesn't prophesy say that the Elders will save it? But prophesy also says

Re: [ZION] Constitutional Losses

2003-05-29 Thread Scott McGee
book - The Coming of the Lord. George - Original Message - From: Jon Spencer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2003 9:32 PM Subject: Re: [ZION] Constitutional Losses Doesn't prophesy say that the Elders will save it? But prophesy also says

Re: [ZION] Constitutional Losses

2003-05-29 Thread Valerie Nielsen Williams
I can direct you to our local station's news story and what our local libraries are doing about it. Most libraries already have signs posted telling patrons about the new Patriot Act's policies. http://www.wndu.com/news/contact16/contact16_3291.php val On Wed, 28 May 2003 05:37:40 -0700 Stacy

Re: [ZION] Constitutional Losses

2003-05-28 Thread Harold Stuart
This is probably one of the most poorly reported prophecies of Joseph Smith. We need to remember that the Prophet gave this statement before the days of any reasonably accurate recording device, including shorthand. As a result, the basic facts may vary widely. The basis of the prophecy,

Re: [ZION] Constitutional Losses

2003-05-28 Thread Stacy Smith
I have most of the writings of Joseph Smith. I'm going to hunt up what was said. Stacy. At 12:42 AM 05/28/2003 -0700, you wrote: This is probably one of the most poorly reported prophecies of Joseph Smith. We need to remember that the Prophet gave this statement before the days of any

Re: [ZION] Constitutional Losses

2003-05-28 Thread Stacy Smith
Before our current attacks from terrorists I wasn't worried about any freedoms being jeopardized. Now with the threat of Al Queda and other groups getting to us and the likelihood that more attacks like 9/11 I think we can look forward to such. Stacy. At 09:06 PM 05/27/2003 -0600, you wrote:

Re: [ZION] Constitutional Losses

2003-05-28 Thread Stacy Smith
Well, I'd like more verification that this is actually taking place. I understand that censored e-mails have just been a joke. I'd like to have verification that the government is keeping tabs on what I am doing at the Braille Institute, for example, or what I'm doing in my doctor's office.

Re: [ZION] Constitutional Losses

2003-05-27 Thread Scott McGee
Yes, Val, some of the rest of us _DO_ feel that way. Most of us are less vocal than John, but, at least on this issue, I am very concerned. I don't know what I can do about it, but I am very alarmed at the way the US citizenry has just rolled over and given the Feds anything they want on this

Re: [ZION] Constitutional Losses

2003-05-27 Thread Jon Spencer
PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2003 10:19 PM Subject: Re: [ZION] Constitutional Losses Yes, Val, some of the rest of us _DO_ feel that way. Most of us are less vocal than John, but, at least on this issue, I am very concerned. I don't know what I can do about it, but I am very

Re: [ZION] Constitutional Losses

2003-05-27 Thread Steven Montgomery
At 08:19 PM 5/27/2003, you wrote: It makes me wonder, can it really be long before the Elders of the Church have to save the constitution? Scott . . . if it can be saved at all. -- Steven Montgomery [EMAIL PROTECTED] . . . today the Christian Constitutionalist weeps as he walks about his

Re: [ZION] Constitutional Losses

2003-05-27 Thread Jon Spencer
] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2003 11:06 PM Subject: Re: [ZION] Constitutional Losses At 08:19 PM 5/27/2003, you wrote: It makes me wonder, can it really be long before the Elders of the Church have to save the constitution? Scott . . . if it can be saved at all

Re: [ZION] Constitutional Losses

2003-05-27 Thread Steven Montgomery
At 09:32 PM 5/27/2003, you wrote: Doesn't prophesy say that the Elders will save it? Jon There are different versions and remembrances of Joseph Smith's statement (Given on July 19th 1840). Orson Hyde, in recalling Joseph Smith's words, put it this way: I believe he said something like